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00:00:00| [Music] we've all been there folks man in the register working in the back on the fries even filling out TPS reports doing stuff for bosses that
00:00:13| don't respect us doing things at a pace that we shouldn't have to do ultimately we want to turn around say fu fu fu you're cool fu mm let's talk about quitting
00:00:33| so I'm Dan and I'm Nick folks we're old friends dissecting one topic at a time people technology media we've got it all covered each discussion here is a deep dive in or unique perspective the taboo
00:00:48| forbidden subjects they're all on the chopping block baby we don't pander to popular opinion we're mighty you can get a little bit dirty morning this podcast may contain mature language and sexual
00:01:00| content and is for entertainment purposes only so join us have a good time octave it's all dissonance this is two notes the harmonic it's a harmonic two notes that related someone else
00:01:39| during a key you know hmm so could be an octave well they're not an octave it could be harmonics though could be they feel like they are they could resonate movie I mean I hope they
00:01:51| resonate with everyone listening well we're to talk about quittin time giving up gettin tired of it can't go anymore I'm done I've had it up to here I'm gonna smack you all into tiny tiny
00:02:08| pieces quit Charlie caught I always wanted to see somebody melt down and quit on the spot I don't think I ever did though yeah I missed one by like five minutes ah it's the worst a
00:02:23| week ago already oh really week ago at the new job in your office yeah so well first let's talk about how it happened okay gossip gossips like my favorite thing at
00:02:37| work lately I'd be getting into a gossip routine where I love to talk about other managers employees with this co-worker said where I heard another manager said what the vendors are saying like it's
00:02:47| like the buzz I love it we have a division called windows and doors and my work not the name drop but it's blank windows and doors have blank countertops blank windows and doors blank generators
00:03:00| name a whole bunch of stuff good for them well windows the doors is only like three people and they're European descent they speak broken English but
00:03:10| they sell the nicest doors it's like the ones where you close them and you can't hear it close like there's no like so I got seamless oh my god it's gorgeous and it's like all the seams line up
00:03:22| perfectly you can't even see it like you can't hear the door click closed it's really good stuff like it's top-notch and here the people guests who are watching it for the first time oh my god
00:03:33| yeah the windows closed like horizontally but then can be flipped vertically or put back and open like they can be open and for some way he comes over and cleans it in half a
00:03:43| second and just like you can't even see the glass is there you're like oh my god anyway it's a it's not for everyone it's probably not for anyone it's very high-end stuff and we don't really help
00:03:55| them they're kind of behind our store and no one goes back there I never see anyone back there they have their own install teams everything else they just work in our building well one of the
00:04:08| managers headed out with them and they were screaming at each other at the top of the steps and the guy said um after you you owe me all this money at this this is bullshit
00:04:18| this is bullshit I heard a lot of quotes I can't repeat all of them on here this is Mickey Mouse this is bullshit oh um I will start my own company I will not be disrespected you
00:04:32| you are regret to pay on all of this and I am floating the bill and they have people getting ready yelling at each other you don't bring enough customers to us
00:04:40| anyway they are they stormed out and they didn't say I quit but they haven't been back and that's the entire division the entire this is one guy well it's him and his Rodham with him
00:04:53| friend with a girlfriend or wife and familial a third party who's like way under them so why would they stay so like no one's been back to the windows and doors division and I I missed it by
00:05:05| like five minutes I was outside or something and give me they're like you just missed it no one record was it come on didn't know it was happening I guess so one of those spur-of-the-moment
00:05:14| things where you see somebody meltdown and you just you absorb it because that's all you really can do unless you realize that your podcast could use that Nick I should does a punk but what is
00:05:27| quitting what is getting fired what is all of these things did you get any deets so I wanted to attack it from like the ideological sense so I was coming over on the Mayflower bootstraps and all
00:05:46| or a Puritan a nation that's like based on our religious belief that you neva keep working until you die because it was like your moral imperative right so there's all the Abraham and Noah were
00:05:58| working pill they were like 400 right now there's always people that are in like previous generations who stayed in the same job and worked it because it was like fruitful it eventually paid off
00:06:08| and some of those people are considered successful but I don't think it exists now because of all the corporations they change and they get very good at certain things and as you go along there's so
00:06:22| only so few spots and do you even want to be in those so few spots because it's all structured and the nice corporate ladder climbing very slowly over a career of decades that sound terrible
00:06:36| that's awful especially considering like you can have stuff happen in your life in a year like a corporate ladder is a slow every four years you get a raise of X at
00:06:46| fifteen years you're supposed to be at level Z all while in your life you could get hit by a car you could break your leg you could have you could move to another state now you could have a
00:06:56| divorce you could want to change your life you could get into drugs for a while and get really strung out and then be like oof I'm cleaning well too late you ruined the corporate ladder you
00:07:04| gotta start over yeah and it's like reset life keeps going but the corporate ladder is a very slow stupid dumb awful thing and you could win it I mean if you're pretty predictable and when I
00:07:15| stay true to your job and continue the carrot at the end of the stick so here you're saying I guess my distrust of it becomes from like the very first time I sat down for like a discussion on the
00:07:26| raise that I was supposed to get her I did get they had it was a very elaborate chart with all these grids they had like a mean deviation from like the center which means that like the average amount
00:07:38| of percent that the whole team got was here and because of your experience and all this stuff they made it very mathematical and it was only like a 1% race and they went through like a whole
00:07:48| shtick it was a whole hoopla to get you to be like okay I understand where that percent comes from but do you really want that 1% it's like it's less than inflation and if you were to map that
00:08:01| out it's like you'd be banking on getting a promotion which means you would have to pretty much like get really down in deep and someone's brown brown holes
00:08:14| team to get that promotion and work really hard which flux them nostrils baby it works to a certain point I think and then it just fizzles a certain point is gonna fizzle cuz you're gonna have
00:08:26| someone else that is just anal retentive like they are OCD about doing work and they somehow Ronnie or were on our nozière then you know they put up a face of Assad that works better than then you
00:08:40| could ever do because you don't put that in than what I do it oh I'm so squirrel and I think there's a squirrel outside my window that's chirping goblins that's him
00:08:49| squirrels chirp all the time well for the record um people either quit or get fired a lot of terms in between let go laid off the voluntary leave I quit that other me hated my horse resign then even
00:09:08| retirement do you know you have to quit to retire I think it is hmm I guess you wouldn't it's a choice right the quitting is the option that you take you have an option that to quit I guess you
00:09:19| could force them to fire you that's just not your choice but it might Hey I mean what's that guy who just left and said I don't quit I just wanna leave and you suck you suck azisa expired
00:09:32| right so there are benefits to quitting versus getting fired well there you aware yeah well fired I think have you ever been fired from a job I have never been technically fired
00:09:44| from a job job so you're fired egg DeWitt that's my favorite line I never knew what it meant but as a kid it was very big cliche in movies there's a separable you're all fired
00:09:58| it could be involved it's not necessarily and if you have your job if your job gives you a severance mm-hmm so when you're fired you're technically terminated for a reason as long as it's
00:10:11| not an illegal thing like they said oh he was selling drugs on property um where he was what's not one there's a moral thing about the in line with the meals is company and if you beat your
00:10:23| wife and they fire you know you arrested accompanying your wife right they don't have to you're ineligible for unemployment do you know an unemployment is I've never collected it I never
00:10:34| thought about it um actually we hit this I think it's like I don't know what it is now but it used to be like six months and you can probably get about maybe like II - 10 grand over the courses at 6
00:10:44| months to help you in transfer it all depends on your state and the maximum allowable mm-hmm but it's usually around out around 8 grand yeah we had this during of Duty's weeks mm-hmm house all
00:10:59| right we had this everyday one with my wife worked were a certain company that was treating her and fairly so she claimed that it
00:11:09| was unfair and left she quit and then claimed unemployment but then they were in cahoots with somebody else and then they went back at her with workers comp lawyers and then said like it's not
00:11:25| clear enough and they went to a panel and the panel judged against her so she lost the unemployment that they had given her huh so you know I'll take it from people if they were not wrongfully
00:11:37| terminated which is what the termination was interesting mm-hmm if you quit though you can actually collect unemployment because that was a choice correct that's the idea right
00:11:50| um the benefit of so people people leave jobs all the time does it better be quit or be fired if you're leaving your job and you know you're applying for a new job it's probably better to quit because
00:12:03| a you're on good terms with the old job you can keep him on your resume I mean that would be pretty awful where do our class not important please don't contact them I was fired for what showing my
00:12:13| wiener a lot trying to trying to get fired like you imagined you're trying to get fired and they're like why were you fired indecent exposure I stole a bunch of stuff I stopped showing up for work
00:12:24| so I'm young at-will employment which is a term they use a lot it's the the non justification so there doesn't have to be any justification by the company on why you got fired and they don't have to
00:12:36| give you any notice so if you are in an at-will state they can just you're done goodbye interesting no reason at all you're gone see how thorough it is but the pro of quitting I was going to say
00:12:49| it's that you can keep them on your resume oftentimes you can aam arrange something with your company saying I'm leaving but I don't want to leave you guys high and dry
00:12:57| I'll leave in three weeks maybe you give me a severance at three weeks you won't have to fire me maybe six weeks maybe eight weeks pay and I won't file for unemployment will be good except ten we
00:13:09| might sound cute at door yeah versus if you're fired I mean that leaves a bad taste you burn bridges essentially yeah so get that unemployment baby hell yeah but so
00:13:22| there's a stigma there is that Nick and I both left jobs in the past year mine was more recent about a month ago I felt that by quitting I was gonna abandon the people that I had worked with for like a
00:13:33| decade and it was a good job it was just you know wasn't going as fast as I wanted her to go so even after I left the moment I said I was quitting there were people that popped up and we're
00:13:43| like what about this job what about this job but it was in the same yeah mmm it was a little different it wasn't from my main company which was kind of sad because if my company had
00:13:56| just given me a little bit of a raise I probably have been content and stayed there because I already knew the people who the company knew the job right no comfort level yeah so there are always
00:14:07| options that crop up that you don't even know about until you actually say you're quitting like you were defended and of course and then they show them up oh by the way
00:14:15| we're gonna offer more money oh my god like hey we were gonna offer more money and you're like this is part of the problem yeah and part of the reason that I get I was there for a while and got
00:14:23| had decent raises that got a nice cool feisty the squirrels are wild this time of year anyway so the part of the reason that I was doing okay was because I would always
00:14:32| challenged them with another offer from an outside company that said like I'm worth this much so I was doing well up into a point where they pretty much didn't want to match that yes that
00:14:44| squirrel is feisty I'm feisty squirrel so I'm gonna go and fire that squirrel um yeah free where I was going 100 companies get lazy in Indiana and more options show up when you tell them
00:15:00| you're quitting yeah they know that they know that you get comfortable you get comfortable in a position and they're gonna keep you there and if you do stay and don't take a new job you're gonna be
00:15:10| reduced salary wise over the course of your career people who leave jobs end up making about 20 to 30% more at a new job I didn't get 20 to 30 but I did get more I did irregardless over the cola job
00:15:24| switcher job switcher versus job steyr job hopper yeah yeah more and more people are moving to the did you get into any of that yeah in a good economy people feel more
00:15:36| comfortable in the job market and jobs offer more money so if you're at your job they're not gonna just be like hey the job market increased here you go I'm gonna be like we got them at a good rate
00:15:44| but if you jump you can keep jumping and jumping and every I know people who have jumped every two years so they I mean for a financial jump and you're making twenty percent more each time you jump I
00:15:56| mean that probably made at least like what 60 70 percent more than what I was making if I'd been content and stayed place depending at certain level you can't get 20 percent every time you jump
00:16:12| well it depends how strategic you are so the people that I worked with since I worked for I'll say NASA because that's true never heard of them yeah mom-and-pop operation don't care people
00:16:26| use that like two and three years of experience to say that they did something fantastic for NASA because you can talk about it it's not a private company they're on our secrets you can
00:16:34| just say this is what I worked on and people can be impressed and then you can jump to the like the next tech tech company or in different location inside of NASA so people jump right Houston to
00:16:46| San Diego which is where Ames is and then they would jump to like Mountain View that's like right around where like San Jose all those places like Google Apple I know people that went directly
00:17:00| to those big companies because they had worked at NASA and then is it because um essentially when you're making that job jump is it less a job jump so much as a low-cal jump
00:17:09| I think people if they're single and they can be like open to anywhere they can take the best offer for the best location so okay I apply to everywhere and see what they say but mostly when
00:17:24| they say to what I make now cuz it doesn't make sense to hire someone new unless they have a really good resume which I'm trying to get Nick here a brand-new fresh job with a company that
00:17:39| my family knows well I used to work for and I went over his resume and his resume surprised me cuz like a lot of it was written in a way that did not seem professional I was
00:17:53| Cressida rious yeah and even the English in there I was like your generation was fine tenses and then there's a way to a shrew spine hooks but but the rest of what he's saying makes sense he was
00:18:05| trying to play up things like he's very stick-to-itiveness customer service which I guess it sounds good when you say it but when you write it down and the other way around you see this is the
00:18:26| thing I don't think you understand you always get a higher paying job I will always be a better employee than anyone literally every place I've ever worked everyone's like oh wow he's he's the
00:18:41| best one we have cuz there's every rise now because your resume was so shitty and they're like what maybe but how do you convey that you're going to be the best somewhere without a fact
00:18:52| I know everywhere I worked I was it was the best restaurant worker I was the best bar restaurant supplier I was Miss granites Houseman I was the best that was Ben's a liquor store worker it was
00:19:02| the best these are low bars I get it but how do you convey that to an employer and be like listen no matter who the hell you hire I'm the guy who actually figures it out I do more than everyone
00:19:13| else I'm smarter than everyone else and I can actually go above and beyond and be a better employee if you hire me you will be like wow he can do more than just one thing this is incredible and
00:19:25| I'm like yeah anyone can do more than one thing my resume doesn't show it because damn wouldn't let me use subjective terms like can do many things Swiss Army blade you gotta brush up on
00:19:39| resumes we gotta quit a job didn't but I didn't but what I'm doing I was a company exactly I use that term because that's what I am I'm the only person at this current company that works in the
00:19:51| back and the front iso generators like it's it's bizarre and i don't know how to explain that to an employee I don't not to be like listen I'm not a regular jackoff I
00:20:00| know what I'm doing I'm not sure God says I can't put that in the resume though I can't put I'm the bad will baby can magic off on your face and you're gonna love it just hire me you'll see
00:20:14| I'm like um who's the guy who used to arm Claude Lemieux if I showed you his regular season statistics and his face and his face and his name and what he did what he did on the ice it's like
00:20:29| very this guy's not a very special player but he was a point per game player in the playoffs he was ridiculous he was integral to every win they had because because he's a he has
00:20:42| intangibles yeah intangibles that are in belt and not embellished indelible know they're like indelible in the playoffs right and that's where I'm trying to explain that to people but if I put that
00:20:55| in the resume Dan's gonna say cross out the entire paragraph really it's just one paragraph about how I'm like Claude Lemieux so and I'll punch someone in the most here's a job interview question why
00:21:04| did you leave your old job or like why are not enough opportunity they weren't challenging me enough I was fulfilling each and every job every opportunity they had and it was leaving me a little
00:21:16| unfulfilled I need something that pushes me further I need more research I need to get further in a career I need to work with a stable company that has goals and
00:21:26| achievements that are more long-term is what I would say I was that was good so what I would mean is I need more money and it's boring I'm out yeah can you pay not more to stay entertain for a little
00:21:41| while longer it's not and again it's not entertainment per se I love gossip I love working my current company it's just it's very unstable it's very there's no future growth I don't make
00:21:53| any money so yeah yeah so guide it you can do that really you can pull the resume up and read it off I don't care say fine what you don't like I don't I don't mind because this is the other
00:22:08| thing when you work at the jobs I have I don't have a NASA thing work and they worked on the giant project robot dick yeah which which by the way is that any more
00:22:21| important folks largest projectile in the Earth's orbit regardless I don't have a lot of facts to back it up so I would have to just make up stuff and at that point I don't feel comfortable
00:22:36| being like see but you don't know you had a key opportunity though because you worked for a family business and you could have said that you did everything from the small little I mean you always
00:22:46| say and then like see that's a cliche too isn't it yeah I mean this is not I wouldn't say that on a resume right you know right you could say anything and then who they
00:22:58| have to test it they would have it everywhere they'd be like yes this is yeah you did he implemented the new program development team he would look over as he's on the final get Sam look
00:23:13| at Billy yeah he implemented the new sales force what was the old did it yeah he did it sure ah and you're right I'm not I'm not the world's best liar either is that really
00:23:30| a good liar you could he could have done some piddly thing at work and then made it work and it still would have been great then why wouldn't I still be there because it was
00:23:42| going in the wrong direction mmm not by my fault so let's talk about like why people stay at a company honestly so they they get comfortable they make friends they have a middle
00:23:55| loyalty to the company I guess the way the company operates they get they know people they know the managers the bosses so they become familiar almost friends right yeah oh yeah and then there might
00:24:08| be perks so there's like 401k or health insurance so I mean everyone's right their health insurance I don't know why that's ever incorporated into a job
00:24:18| it makes it it is really weird isn't it it is weird when you think about it if you were to get terminated you would a lose your health insurance have to pay more money for it
00:24:28| with money that you don't have because you didn't don't have your job anymore yes it's like it's like a double or even triple whammy cuz you're just like you're left out in the cold with nothing
00:24:38| like you can't yes drive your car really to go to interviews because it's kind of dangerous car accident dangers we might cover someone what we're talking about right now in the healthcare episode
00:24:52| insurance episode future reference wink-wink nudge-nudge Cobra more than just a snake snake absolutely but no you're right I mean it's it is weird that it started that
00:25:10| way probably as a perk and then became a necessity yeah and then now that it's a necessity it's like you can't have a job that doesn't have that stuff yeah people holdout and retiring because they want
00:25:23| their insurance did you hear that um now you work for nicer corporations but a buddy of mine who does headhunting he hires people for jobs all over from Microsoft and stuff like that he said
00:25:35| that um no one does a 401 K anymore and I was like really do he was like he was like not really he's like in the private in the private sector none and I was like I don't know what you're saying
00:25:46| who's your friend I had every every job I've had is he talking for you or in general in general that he says um Microsoft and stuff even stopped offering for most of their employees and
00:25:59| stuff I have to look this up and just tell or maybe he said pension it was there for one can change his pension then uh pensions are dying I will give him the Hawkeye pension he says it's
00:26:08| like government jobs and then like two other places what's the difference between a pension a 401k I have no idea pension is a set plan that you put money
00:26:16| into and then it gives you a set amount once you retire so like it will give you it's your own money right it is your own money but they do they add to it do they meet it they do match it in certain
00:26:26| cases and they invested in their own but they would guarantee that they have a certain amount for you when you retire like per month basis but that okay per month basis
00:26:35| stays the same and most pension plans so it reduces over time the amount that you get because of inflation mmm if everyone from one 401 K is the amount of money that you did keep and put in your own
00:26:48| investments mutual funds whatnot and they some companies meet it match it whatever right well to a certain percentage I think Microsoft will match three percent is what this this one says
00:27:00| maybe six percent depending on it might have been I maybe just talking about pensions not yeah yeah hey so I saw still as a 401k a say nothing not okay but the 401k is your money put in
00:27:13| investments before taxes and you get that money indefinitely and it when do you get that money after you leave this job anytime you want in ten years in 40 years when you retire is a rule yeah you
00:27:27| can I know once you take it out it's considered a capital gain or a gain of some sort so you have to pay taxes on it right that all works if you do it before a certain age I think is like fifty nine
00:27:36| and a half then you pay additional penalties on hand are you serious fifty nine and a half it might have went up to sixty three like when you retire I think it's a half though okay
00:27:47| so you pay penalty the whole intent is that you keep money until you're in the retired range and then they don't put a penalty on it you still pays a lot to hit that right yeah right so it's safe
00:27:58| in the margin and it ensures that you have a good retirement so I don't have a can make your own there are methods for you to do that if you know I make another where I just I took well just
00:28:13| make it sure I don't big enough I don't think enough thank you so that's another perk so the 401 K I guess once you've established yourself in a job you can kind of set your own hours if you're
00:28:23| competent enough and the company likes you so my previous job I had those damn squirrels um then my previous job they had off Fridays every other Friday to the 980 scheduled when once they only
00:28:34| hear this squirrel cuz this squirrel might have pneumonia or somebody okay huh so my previous job had a 980 so it means every other Friday head off so you just work more time in order to fill up
00:28:45| your she and then once that time she hit 80 hours over the course of two weeks he could just leave you're good so that was one of the perks that I really miss
00:28:56| because it's just one of the days is free and the kids are at daycare the wife was out working I would just elevate games and sleep and it was fantastic
00:29:05| so I miss it so much and wait till I retire I quit guys I quit right I'm out folks I'm out don't you have a parable about the fisherman or something there's like
00:29:19| a dog mouth nope so he goes out and he fishes a little bit and he he comes back he sells his fish and he sleeps all day and then somebody else is in a corporate environment who's trying to earn money
00:29:33| to retire they're going out there fishing they're doing all sorts of stuff they're spending a whole lot of time out there they're working their asses off they come back and they ask the guy like
00:29:42| couldn't you work harder so you could just you know relax when you're retired my guy says what are you talking about them I'm already enjoying life and being happy as is I see you you're delaying
00:29:54| your enjoyment for this goal that's so far away it's like maybe you have something wrong it's like so the goal in a lot of like European nations is that they take a siesta they stay out late
00:30:08| they enjoy life and they relax because like maybe there's something wrong with the way we approach jobs and that you know we don't enjoy our jobs because their work like their hard work right
00:30:23| their work but a labor of love and something you enjoy doing perhaps daddy I'd like 80% of people hated their jobs and they would quit it's a lot yeah so like a lot of people
00:30:35| put up with a lot of BS and I don't know I guess we're forcing ourselves to do this shitty jobs because we believe they're paying off in the end well there's an interesting
00:30:46| philosophical take on this which I almost want to do an episode in itself and we won't get too deep into it but human beings by nature what are we supposed to do hunt survive find food
00:31:00| I'm shelter battle each other look for resources look for things to make us greater things to make everything in life easier make ourselves more comfortable we've found a way to do that
00:31:12| on the regular every day ready so now so now what is the human beings soul purpose she's some game achieve some new goal that's money I guess and not that I think is wrong with money but there's to
00:31:28| get money there so it's a weird it's a weird system we're in it's very um it might not be natural like animals don't have money they don't jobs they don't have quit rates or fire rates and again
00:31:41| they live out in the cold they eat each other they die of diseases or that's a rough life today but in making comforts for ourselves we've also made new obstacles and weird things and
00:31:56| stuff that makes our lives miserable like we're destined to be miserable I think that's part of why we're good that stuff like being intelligent so like I'm gonna there's one instance of and I
00:32:08| think monkeys that use money I think they were aware of the like the value of an object because they would get food for it so they would start trading than object I don't have a name for you but
00:32:21| that's there's a case out there for that so atoms are aware of the value of things that inherently don't have any value value placed upon them maybe it's just monkeys wood that's what these jobs
00:32:31| kind of are now we're getting back into jobs here too much uh yeah quit later what a segue to is to quitting Wall Street Journal 2018 you know the most people ever in a month
00:32:44| quit voluntarily their jobs 3.4 million people in the United States quit in April 2018 highest ever to now part of that is because we have more people than ever yeah I don't know if I'm planning
00:32:57| this but job markets unemployment is around four four percent right now this is really low yeah yes one in six people who are unemployed right now they think did so intentionally whether it was
00:33:13| because they hate the job and they had some financial security whether they forced themselves to get fired whether they forced United mean quitting is on the rise they found
00:33:23| the highest it ever was I did a little study here a little digging quitting was at its highest in December of 1973 I have no clue why 17.2 percent of the population quit that's a fifth of the
00:33:42| population just decided to not keep working now this had to do with a shift in regimes what happened in 73 was that a manufacturer thing it's not it wasn't a war thing was it December 1973 check
00:33:54| it out in the Vietnam Nixon maybe maybe job maybe just jobs were changing at an alarming rate with the invention of something I didn't get this far um the lows they often are um I came across
00:34:08| two lows December in 1982 only 6.7 percent of people were quitting in October of 2010 only 5.8 percent of people with that's a very low number and that was 2010 there was a scare I think
00:34:28| it has to do with like the hippie movement only people say we don't need money anymore we have flower power and love and all these guys are just like it's I don't know but it's going up
00:34:38| recently now as of May 2018 it was 13.2% so we're almost back up to the high number I don't know that we'll get to that one but yeah records so there's one thing I will say I mean after having
00:34:52| quit a job that I worked out for 10 years my closest friends already had left for the most part because they were more ambitious they had sought out what I guess I had achieved earlier because I
00:35:04| think they gave the raise to me and not them and over a period of time I realized that I wasn't gonna get the next one like the right head hit a ceiling right you haven't heard your day
00:35:14| hit your raise Clara for a while yeah so they weren't they weren't ready to give me any more and the people remaining there were some friends there and there I mean I considered some of them close
00:35:23| friends but when you leave what do you consider what do you consider friends your jobs it's so weird we talk a weekly bi-weekly basis I text you every day but
00:35:32| I don't know what you're like to your friends at your work I don't think I change all that much I honestly think I am I'm not saying that but like what do you do do you walk up to their area and
00:35:43| be like hey what's going on do your this joke you you fight your armpit or something like do to armpit fart seven like you be like hey how about the game last week crazy right so I don't know
00:35:53| what you do so my best friends all the like some of them are like whiners because they're complaining everything [Music] but some people are like yeah gossipy
00:36:06| and knowledgeable I love gossips so those people I think are they're interesting they can be your friends but they could also stab you in the back but that's okay as long as you're aware of
00:36:16| it I had a good group of friends where like the mobile games like we'd all play the mobile games together some of them you know because of a clash of clans link so some of those guys like they
00:36:27| already knew that like I enjoyed doing other things the pony drizzle yeah oh my god that's great I think of that so those guys were I think they were genuinely cared about like what I was
00:36:37| trying to do and they saw that I think my career was gonna have a trajectory other than where I was working and they always pushed me to be like you got to find something that pay you more so
00:36:48| those people were my friends and like I eat lunch with them and stuff but when I left like I don't I haven't talked to them really so like one of there's a weird like worker friendship that yeah
00:36:59| there is you have a camaraderie with these people just because you're in the same misery but when you leave like I was expecting those people coming out the woodwork and be like let's grab
00:37:07| lunch really like you only have like two weeks left let's grab let's do this but like that only happened like on a smaller like a very small scale for the amount of Hitler in their defense means
00:37:20| all of their defense was on holiday now I mean in their defense in everyone's defense with that like as it is like my life feels like as busy as it convey sure like you're as it is I'm like I'm
00:37:32| booked with everything kid my schedule oh I gotta fix this I gotta fight a turn on red tomorrow whoo all mr. Leonard I'm looking at you okay I didn't do it
00:37:43| I hope the cop doesn't show up anyway like I have all these things I get an insurance claim someone messed up my bumper or I haven't gotten around to it's been like two and a half weeks at
00:37:55| work I have this big job that's gonna close this I have this big thing like there's always 40 things going on oh my god I didn't do my Christmas shopping oh my god I did do some Christmas shopping
00:38:02| I didn't wrap it's a lot of exciting yes put this together laughing no there's just a lot of things going on it's not excuse fine but then if someone was like hey I'm leaving my child be like that's
00:38:11| the saddest thing ever we I catch food we gotta hang out we got to our thing but my kid gets real sick guess what that plans out the window right that's true that's true I mean if it really
00:38:24| happens that's what happens um let's say something happens like I'm applying for a new job I'm trying to do this I'm like I really can't happen to be the job interviews on that day dude I can't yeah
00:38:35| he's like that's all right it's no big deal we'll catch you another time well it's like another time doesn't happen a lot so I mean I will say this on I had a business trip on the flight back which
00:38:47| was about two hours long I opened up the laptop and I started writing an email I've started thinking about every single person that I ever interacted with that like would remember me and maybe even
00:38:58| not could I remember them and we had like a decent interaction at one point it was like 200 people by the end I was like at the end of the email I thought I would still worked at the same area and
00:39:07| the same at the NASA location and like I think I wrote like a very like heart not heartfelt but like II could tell it like oh I think to me there was more emotional than a bit like yeah I'm
00:39:20| leaving goodbye but it was more than that so out of those people I think only like maybe 30 replies so like 50 percent now 15 percent to say that right of the people and I was like I kinda surprised
00:39:34| by that I guess this is like not that many people will genuinely care which is kind of I guess kind of surprising but I guess not so much I know you're going to another paying job which is left here to
00:39:48| be like I'm in trouble I have issues like that would be different well what other the only other circumstance you could leave is if you
00:39:56| got fired and if you get fired they'll come to your desk and make sure you collect what you have is that is yours and then walk you out of the building and then never talk about you ever again
00:40:06| all the time Colette ever got fired first we have a gossip but like a company we'll never talk about that person they won't say why you're fired you know they'll just be like he's gone
00:40:16| now like deal with it it's weird so like the friends the friends that I had like I can count on one hand out of like knowing 200 people like not very many people that were work friends or
00:40:30| genuine friends so like if you're thinking about quitting a job because you love the people you work with do they love you back right now most cases project unless your
00:40:43| father become Accenture did a study in mm-hmm top-4 is like I don't like my boss 31% of people most people don't like Philly yeah I love my old boss did it was it was great
00:41:06| no it's a good time it was a happy office feel like a schism lack empowerment 31% I wasn't empowered right internal politics maybe 35% directly a high number you know it's funny and last
00:41:29| one lack recognition 43% okay yeah I'll take that make sense um can you pull us a podcast I think I can do you would you like to yeah okay you gotta go figure that out yes real quick I'll keep my
00:41:48| same outfit okay all right did do it good go drop a deuce let me check my kids no no my kids doing some weird shit and he might have pneumonia or something so hopefully we're not going to the yard
00:42:00| but let me check okay I heard a lot of screaming crying hold on just give me two minutes so like there's four main reasons and lack of recognition seems to be one of
00:42:18| the highest ones which makes sense because if your boss is like hey thanks but then they don't use your work for anything like you like it working you do a project and that project doesn't get
00:42:31| used and you don't get reprimanded or anything but what did you just do you just kind of wasted 40 hours so this is this happen to me I had three part-time jobs essentially inside of my own
00:42:41| company that would make up for what I was making because I was making a decent amount of money and then I got relegated to one full-time job which after six months I automated most of it but no one
00:42:52| gave a shit about the automation of it it just made my job super easy and at that point I was like I could milk this for five years and I'd be fine for five years but after that I would have wasted
00:43:03| the prime of my career so like my recognition needed to be higher so that people would be like automate one this other thing for more money but that never happened so like I guess I gotta
00:43:16| leave my ideology says that I made them build myself up because there's things that I'm lacking and I'll never get them here can make sense now what about like quitting in general like we've talked
00:43:30| about reasons to quit I did you wanna get into some more reasons people quit yeah so I can get in my old jobs which I guess I quit but I didn't think of it that way I guess the the logic is gonna
00:43:40| be like yeah you're moving on it's just I'm well yeah I don't think I quit that job I just passed on keep to keep doing what gonna be a minimum wage but I would love for the rest of your life I mean
00:43:50| you're gonna move on right so this is these are some of the jobs that I had like a newspaper packer like before they sent out the newspapers you pack them in a certain way you put any clear in the
00:43:59| clear yeah through plastic you get all this black ink on your hands and you don't know you pay that well and it's not like the hell wants to do that shit
00:44:11| computer repair I guess the jobs just got done same thing with I installed networks like the ethernet cables for office buildings mentioned
00:44:19| and what you did with that money made a lot of money on the other my first computer was bought with that money is good stuff but you know you finished an office building and they don't have any
00:44:28| more usually okay see you later some of these these were high school jobs and I went on to college so I worked for Target and Hollywood video which it's a shame I did I left that out of a video
00:44:40| job it would have really held out would taken your career off yeah what a skyrocketing CEO by now I'm the only guy left that was a good job though I enjoyed it my severance back yeah
00:44:54| and then the college jobs where you're just there for like three months because you've got nothing else to do I just pizza and rent buy some beer I worked at Pizza Hut as a serving sexy so
00:45:04| I don't I think they have restaurants anymore they just have like carryout right it's a good point just delivery guys and carry out yes so that that'd be a dead-end job too
00:45:15| were you uh big in the book aid program huh his little stars are awesome looks did you read a hundred yeah alright kid yeah it's not a liar I mean we gotta give them 14 pizzas now fifty shades of
00:45:31| gray oh that's not on the list I read it I know what happens in the end the movies were to go get her tight yeah haebang and then I had internships and then I
00:45:44| started like real engineering jobs so there's a point there where the engineering jobs that just moved for a better location or a better ideology of what it would be like like what would
00:45:56| like this recent job I move for all the right reasons I think and it was painful to go but like quitting was necessary for me to grow I feel that now after three weeks it's like I need to do it
00:46:10| you know yeah I mean it doesn't feel great to not know what you're doing it's kind of painful and there's just like angsty angriness that you feel inside of you when you're just like I wish I could
00:46:22| have just kept it easy for myself but there's another PCU that's like a duality that you know if you kept it easy you wouldn't have been happy with yourself
00:46:32| so you're right you kind of have to keep battling yourself and then also fighting what other people are doing to make yourself happy it's kind of a weird form of happiness that it depends on like the
00:46:45| state of not only you but the economy around you the people around you the company you're in right there's a lot of things moving there's a lot of things going on utilize different moving parts
00:46:54| and not almost none of them line up perfectly so you're gonna have flowing out or you never mm-hmm that's life baby whoo we just summed up life it's over good episode beyond I got top ten
00:47:09| quitting reasons to kind of fly it in with the other one I'll just go through them real quick relationships with boss touch on the other one board unchallenged yeah I mean just touch that
00:47:19| right there yeah your coworkers whether you get along with them whether they're just awful people how well do you make with your co-workers your new ones really well they love me but they really
00:47:31| love them yeah I think so I think way I'll put it this way if it's a shitty job and commissions are down and like company seems to be in disarray my favorite time is to drive to work
00:47:44| because I know I'm gonna go see X&Y or I'll dude I bet Z's in today or all dude I hope someone's O's in I'm gonna be gossiping to hell with what's his name I'll be joking with selling so like
00:47:56| that's I love that stuff the saddest part was when I leave and I'm like I just worked an eight-hour shift and I felt like one person I sold one granite deal and wow this job sucks like you
00:48:07| mean yeah it's in a reflection like some things you can't do while you're doing them you can't reflect in the act action of doing things but I love the coworkers what I'm getting at that looks anywhere
00:48:19| at work even the guys in the back who don't speak English I've relationships with them I'm always like heard every time I see him he's like like you know I mean like I have a connection with
00:48:29| certain people there's the it's weird because I don't think that of all people do that which is strange to me because like even the people who are like shipping and
00:48:37| receiving like the dock workers like I know conversation dr. Humberts they're my favorite people in the world I can talk with some dock workers there's some funny people there and
00:48:46| they're not really afraid to say they're mine so it's like being around them is enjoyable but some people don't they treat them like they're just like a cog they're just a piece that they need to
00:48:55| spin so it's weird right I don't I don't know why people work that way and then listen I love everyone like I'm really good friends with guys in the back fabricators and installers shippers I'm
00:49:09| good with the managers like I make them laugh I like I like make everyone laugh I make everyone get along I make everyone be happy I do favors for everyone in every
00:49:18| situation I'm like yo stay there I'll get it dude relax yesterday or two days ago a girl threw up like a four-year-old or she's probably eight because her parents brought her to buy granite
00:49:29| countertops she was feeling sick she flew up right on the floor I was like you know go away I know where what's-his-name keeps the bucket in the back and went back and I grabbed the
00:49:37| bucket they just started mopping it up and like Nick how did you know where that was nothing it's in the back now you guys is it every day they're
00:49:44| like but you don't know how to do that I was like you throw water on the ground when I was gonna leave it till tomorrow but like the manager was like Nick this is really good work and I'm like again
00:49:53| I'm just mopping up from like like people think whirring this is beautiful I never seen this before someone's crying I hope she puts a little nose like Nick did really well today like
00:50:05| it's great but like people are afraid to step outside of their jocks yeah yeah I'm like yeah I'll clean up throw up I don't care yo for the whole day you want me to just follow installers and hang
00:50:18| with them I'll tell jokes the installers I know they have like Czech accents and stuff but like I'm down um some days are like can you just shadow someone so and do something like the other day we had a
00:50:29| new guy I was like let me train him for like hour they're like you don't know how to train people awesome like like hell I don't I trained a new guy like no biggie ooh
00:50:38| ooh the new guy in like up you didn't or you don't I did not I like almost everyone and I feel like he's a serial reddit guy mmm which is usually like I can talk to those people but he's
00:50:56| like to read it maybe and on top of that I didn't figure it out till we said goodbye because he shook my hand when I said hello when he said goodbye I shook his hand again like oh my god yes small
00:51:08| hands it's a lawyer from Roy sunny yeah I know it's like no that's all I'm gonna think about tiny hands all over your hands care about that lowly creeping and he
00:51:23| was the nicest guy but like I love my co-workers I love heaven I love everybody at every job I didn't I put that in my resume man I love you if you let me anyway let's go through the last
00:51:39| few on this list of reasons people quit sure contribution of work to business this is sort of similar to what we said but the amount you can change working corporation right let's say you work on
00:51:52| a project for six months a year and they're like oh well we didn't use it but thank you I mean we're gonna reimburse you but thank you we went in a different direction you're like that at
00:52:01| least in my kind yeah autonomy and independence like how much people are like micromanagement do word micromanagement meaningfulness of the job itself like some people are like man
00:52:14| I love to sell a granite countertop and change the way the world works and sometimes people are like this is so stupid like dude I mean yeah I wanna send something in this space that's
00:52:26| gonna save people's lives cool seems like a dozen lives I mean really was not about many lives utilitarian I mean that's not that many mm-hmm important lines oh yeah they are
00:52:41| important lines you're gonna well mom's lives those are the ones that about this one astronauts pretty important no another another reason for quitting when you
00:52:52| know an organization's financial stability like snow is going down I'm out I'm out then cut the healthcare plan and no raises no overtime mmm
00:53:05| now listen to me you didn't hear this from me but we're not allowed to sell Dale tile at my company right now just came down the pipeline
00:53:14| Gotha is a big company they said there's a shipping issue I heard it's cuz they owe money ahaha I want to give Sam likes the margins I don't know
00:53:26| I love gossip um last two or like corporate culture which makes sense mean are you part of a cog but really it's like you watch office space like you imagine be a part of that always All
00:53:38| Hands meetings and like the like state of the company meetings I never went to any of those Howard Schiphol I know but I know I would you know I I mean you go to a couple and then eight years later
00:53:54| you're just like what are those I don't I don't I didn't hear you could you repeat I didn't hear the I know struggle and I missed it last one was management's recognition of your
00:54:03| performance which is different than the company using your contributions its management actually looking and being like wow you did your job or versus well how you did your job very well or thank
00:54:15| you we commend you we're gonna give you a raise we're gonna give you more projects somewhere on this chart here you fit into the scheme where there's a bell curve and you're kind of right here
00:54:23| so that means maybe we'll see you next year mmm maybe so there's another element that we're mostly talking jobs like when I was younger I used to quit a lot of
00:54:36| things so like whenever I would play a sport like I quit baseball quit soccer whenever there was a summer camp I quit the summer camp position were you in baseball
00:54:48| well they moved me around they I was outfield and they put me a pitcher and the problem was that I didn't give a shit and I was pitching and literally I would
00:54:58| throw the ball get bored get distracted and then the catcher would throw the ball back to me but I wouldn't be paying attention and it like hit me and I'd be like ah
00:55:08| damnit and like I would I don't know why I didn't give a shit his kid maybe because I think I was like forced into it I didn't have any passion right that's probably that's probably why I
00:55:18| mean they're trying to impart my parents are trying to impart something on to me our generation was the last one who uh was forced to play peewee baseball I think I think the generation after us
00:55:28| like ten years later didn't they realize the play and then I'm baseball so that's a weird though I mean like I'm serious about peewee baseball I think we were the last or age group was last one and
00:55:40| so we're all forced everyone in the world was playing peewee based yeah I think ten years later that number probably dropped by like 30 percent 40 percent I don't know so that's a weird
00:55:49| thing because of other sports too like they got kids in soccer whatever flood of memories but right no they weren't these sports ten years later but they are now let's not get into that but
00:56:01| there's a weird thing where you're trying to teach your child that like there's camaraderie there's fun like the one sport I did pick up was ice hockey which is kind of like surprising in a
00:56:13| way but not really it's my dad played ice hockey but they tried to get me into that earlier and I even got play so there's an element that like I still play ice hockey there's pieces of it
00:56:23| that are just inherently fun they're just enjoyable to do you don't get that from baseball and I guess they're trying to see what I would like would work for me but to me I felt like I was letting
00:56:34| them down to them I was probably just like try this out but they never phrased it in the right way cuz I guess if you're a parent talking to your child you can't tell the child but like this
00:56:44| is just like a temporary thing just have fun whether just see what you do the child takes it very seriously to try to figure it out and I think that's what I did until I was like buckets shit I'm
00:56:53| tired of this prep and then I mean think of this I mean you I have to assume a parent knows her kid more than the kid knows a kid right okay so I what the hell's going on here right so I mean
00:57:06| your parents trying to show you stuff and they're like guys I could be interested in this here's us gonna be interested in this here though he's not weird in this and let's say one of
00:57:14| them's ice hockey and you end up being really interested in you're like I wish he showed it to me in a way that made it more awesome and like really got me into it yeah I mean parent
00:57:23| probably showed you a thousand things you probably said no or didn't like half of them yeah I mean it's hard because they would have to know ahead of time what you were into and know to show you
00:57:32| it in an interesting in a tactical you don't I mean so parents stuff don't quit your children that's true that's a really good point yeah what's interesting is the opposite of quitting
00:57:44| is professionalism it's sticking it out even though you should quit is that the definition of professionalism I don't know it a new having an customers say you're the shittiest person known to man
00:57:56| and ya don't know what you're doing I mean that's professionalism professionalism is wearing a suit wearing a tie when you really don't need to it's filling out a whole bunch of
00:58:05| extra forms when you they really don't mean anything it's like doing extra work and hanging in the office and doing extra stuff even wearing extra stuff it's extra stuff to make you feel like
00:58:17| you're you're not doing it because you like it obviously you're doing it because it's a duty so how many people can actually quit their whatever's and find something
00:58:28| they're passionate about and be passionate about it do you that it's a low number in this culture oasis I would what would you put it at like maybe less than 20% probably like I was done with
00:58:46| I think that number is on the rise I'll tell you why the internet changed everything forever my dad's generation maybe before him you touched on this earlier my dad got a job at 16 moving
00:59:01| stuff out for a piano company and the people who were there said hey can you help move stuff in we're starting up on Restaurant Supply he stayed and helped them move stuff in and they hired him
00:59:12| and I'm weird he's been there to this day how many years is that it was born in 60 started at 16 so he started in like 76 78 tone between the two and he's been more still this year forty years
00:59:27| that one job dude so imagine my never father was the same way ever had another jobs even my dad's never had he's never made one Oh crazy herd that's genetic that's why your resume sucks but
00:59:46| yeah it I can't believe that someone will worked the same job do you think do you think that he should have changed jobs at some point do you think it would I think he should have but it's too late
00:59:58| man I mean do you think he misses down the experiences that he doesn't know he missed a lot so like my parents are the same ways that they live it unlike a bubble a little bit of a sheltered life
01:00:09| and they like they come down here which is the southern state and we go to get tex-mex and they don't know what queso is do you know what queso is Nick they don't know occasions they didn't know
01:00:21| what queso was so I was like you can get that like four blocks from your parents house I know they okay I mean I'm just saying it right they wouldn't go that bowl of melted delicious cheese which
01:00:34| man has that salsa mixed in it or some other things yeah but like if you're living life and accepting that you know I mean this isn't how to do it I guess it might be
01:00:43| you're quitting society in a way that you're not allowing things in so if you're if you're not allowing things in you're missing out on the opportunities of enjoyment that you just don't know
01:00:53| because you're so sheltered that you you don't know that you could be having a better life which is exactly what happens when people stay at a job and they don't quit it for something better
01:01:02| they don't take a chance they don't experience it and you if you quit on the right terms you can come back to the old job you grew your right well my dad's not gonna an offer from himself yeah but
01:01:14| I see what you're saying and I my rule of thumb anytime I talk about these things is that the blade probably has sharpness on both sides when I say that I mean someone who changes jobs every
01:01:27| two to four years will never know what my dad has with like he's worked at the same time for 40 years I mean in one in one hand that that sucks he doesn't understand other employees he
01:01:40| said we worked for another boss me worked for Mike and Joe but disk-like maybe he doesn't have to but on the other hand like we had a wall on our old thing of all the um like our
01:01:53| customers or customers for dozens of years like I know these people come in once a week when they die they get we print out their obituaries and we put them on the wall like I have a wall of
01:02:05| people who've died like it sounds morbid but it's also those are our friends to the point where I talk with other customers about them like I have a used to have a very personal relationship
01:02:23| with all these people like they were more than just customers they were friends I know it's time I think have you've been in a business for 40 years like everyone you deal with this kind of
01:02:35| a friend even our sales reps like we had a sales rep who was sick one week and he was coughing and everything and it was like hey can you call your order in and print it we're like in a problem Bart
01:02:45| you know Bart Bart Bart Braman so we deal with him the funny thing about him is Bart I'm not ready for the order can he call in like 10 minutes yes I'm problem he hang up he'd call in
01:03:01| timer and just call us like Jesus Christ so one day my dad was like he call like he called 38 min like it's his bar and anyway all you do is take our order he probably gets a percentage like whatever
01:03:11| we we deal with him for years so he's coughing he sounds like he's like yeah I'm feeling real sick lately so the next week he had to email us he's like I'm real sick I'll call can you
01:03:22| send your order in via email no problem a week later we called and we were trying to call Barney didn't answer his phone we found out he passed away of cancer huh no and like I don't know like
01:03:38| it's so weird like no like I'm not gonna get him to call back in 14 minutes at 59 seconds so I say call him 15 minutes he quit life he did and in a weird way it's just when you work in a place long
01:03:55| enough it becomes part of you yeah and you don't get that if you change jobs over fears you never grow roots I understand you you miss out on one way but you miss out on another
01:04:05| way the other way I mean it goes both ways there's yeah remorse on both sides right I think those sides have cons and pros obviously I saw this and probably like more than a dozen years ago when I
01:04:18| was in college some reason I sat down for lunch and there's an old woman who was eating lunch by herself and I decided to sit with her like I never did yeah
01:04:28| yeah what oh that's that's something I would do that's wild but if yours are and then like eventually our conversation turned to like she had like old yearbooks and like books of like
01:04:39| friends with headers no like she would say like she would look at this book and like it was almost like a face book and she would flip physical face book yeah physical face book and she would
01:04:51| flip through it and she would say that like almost every single person was dead in it because she was like she was like like she was like a grandma I don't know why she was doing there she's like the
01:05:01| spirit of Christmas past or something and it was weird yeah yeah hey we're like what were you sitting with and they really got the old lady they're like we have video
01:05:10| recording there was no one there it's a reminder though that like you're living life to experience it so if you understand the experience that you like you're currently in you should go out
01:05:23| and make new friends makes new experiences because that's really all we have so you should quit the experiences that you know even though they're comfortable and you like them like you
01:05:34| can always go back to them you can always try something new and see how it is a lot of people get set in a certain way or certain rhythm and they buy into the rhythm they buy into the knowing the
01:05:45| tedium of life because it's comfortable it's known you know it right yeah I agree with you and you don't know when your mom is coming so I don't want to end the episode on this I want to end it
01:05:56| on down notable notable quits yeah all right that's it all right so Vontae Davis cornerback for the Buffalo Bills you quit in the middle of the game did he
01:06:06| uh-huh halftime they even so they're playing the Chargers and I looked it up because it couldn't I don't know old he was I know he's been late thirty years old that's middle and a half time
01:06:17| I meant deleting right cuz they write for a quarterback quarterback it's a little but not like thirty al akkari is like thirty four is I keep two leaves propyl still playing like thirty eight
01:06:28| or something garbage like that so thirty-seven probably whatever it is but the fact that he he literally in half time in the middle of the game was like coaches like hey we're gonna do
01:06:39| press coverage I want to do more to Tampa two safeties high deep and he was just like coach I'm going home I'm gonna I'll be outside I'm just uh excuse me like I don't know that anyone's done
01:06:52| that in the NFL in the past 15-20 years I don't think so I seen that's try some when you talk about because most of those like sports figures they usually like they
01:07:03| essentially live half their lives as like key figures in sports and they retire or quit and they have like another half of their lifes live like most of them they do with it yeah it's
01:07:15| like John LeClair like started like a trucking company with Chris Terry and Diddy it's really true it's true it's very weird that I think that's awesome it's weird though because you need
01:07:24| something to do yeah there's nothing but ya know they could be part of the organization that they were formerly with or start something different which is just it seems like an average
01:07:38| lifestyle compared to what they had but maybe they like it right who knows maybe they're into wine like I know Gabe Schultz is making wines you know I mean like how funny is that yeah
01:07:47| by my one hmm so like he quit like that's theirs it's wild when an athlete quits um where I wanted to touch on before we finished up was like the the famous quits yeah the ones you see
01:08:03| online the ones I touched on in the intro where he's he's working the fryer is we're gonna fries or ever the boss is young it's like a few after you thank you uh now or like the Jerry Maguire
01:08:15| who's coming with me and grabs the fan I mean yeah like I mean people quit so these things go viral all the time you look online it's like someone made a
01:08:27| sign that says hey my boss didn't come in today it's like a handwritten letter so guess what we ain't closed and I'm f and quittin and it's like Bing and it's like on the
01:08:36| door of your favorite coffee shop and you're like why won't it open well now you know why I think it's there's an American dream part of that um I did one I saw one where it's like a tech guy who
01:08:48| worked who's like an IT guy for the company he wasn't in respect to he made a pop-up on everyone's computers it said designer you treat like shit has quit unexpectedly exclamation point
01:09:00| ah company employees cannot affect it click renegotiate discuss terms for a new contract click HR to find out how badly you fucked up I mean ignore HR or
01:09:11| renegotiate and you can click them this is the prompt like that it's clever that's good you didn't say the magic word someone wrote the resignation letter on a cake uh-huh fuck called yawn
01:09:23| let me say let me see which one I was hold on it was very similar fuck this shit on the top of the cake and they put it in the display I quit and it was put into the display so I don't know if
01:09:34| anyone found it for a couple days um you get people who quit on air like newscasters and so yeah I sleep I rip off all the wires they're attached to the huh I'm done this is bullshit
01:09:46| I can't stand this I can't stand this company I don't want to be here anymore and they're talking as I take off and they just quit on air the funniest ones to me are the ones where like menial
01:09:56| workers are they're the backbone of every business the physical one strike drivers a little bit so here this might be a Taco Bell I can't tell where this this is but the person who changed his
01:10:09| letters for the sign they wrote my boss can change his own goddamn sign I quit is gonna send someone else to do it let's be honest that's like the European taxi drivers who just decided just to
01:10:24| quit on the road so they blocked all the roads like what are you gonna do if there's like thousands of cars out there there's also a moot when I was in Spain there was a workers revolt there's like
01:10:38| a strike for everyone that worked in like all the small shops and it was literally the first day of vacation so we're going to the small shops to buy food like you here I'm like chanting and
01:10:49| they were like walking like through the alleyways and like the shops that were open they rolled down the steel doors as the protesters walked by and like we're just like what the hell's going on
01:11:00| because we had no idea and like when they were gone the shops would roll up like halfway elect lookout and they'd be like come on in and then like we'd walk in like broken down shop to like buy
01:11:11| like a few pieces of food and get out of there but I was weird I felt like you're gonna get like beaten like that's a form of quitting yeah there's definitely some interesting things about like you hear
01:11:21| stories all the time where someone so-and-so was working a full shift they were being real disrespectful to their waiter or the waitress or someone or the bartender and when the real pain in the
01:11:31| ass and the it's a Saturday night you know I'm working hard enough and it's like 8:00 p.m. he's like guess what fucking walk it out and guys walk out then what happens I
01:11:42| guess the manager can jump in and start serving the beers and all that crap I don't know hmm well they're gonna show you the other one got one more I had a few more but whatever like it's just
01:11:57| people quit at the most inopportune time for those oh it's peak yeah at the peak you gotta do you have to it's because showing off it's the the flame a little bit wanes you know I would that's so
01:12:09| like my company my old one was set up so that the atrium was available to all the floors above it so you could look down on the central space I wanted desperately for someone to just freak
01:12:20| out and just meltdown in the middle of that space and have people like on tears like there's a mezzanine that's looking down on them as they're just like cursing people out and like throwing
01:12:30| things and like tossing chairs Julie Frank you don't even do anything he will be going wild it would've been great kind of the American dream too
01:12:47| quit like that isn't it a little bit I think yeah the American dream is to not care anymore which is weird because I think it was something else before well it's not to not care it's to re stick it
01:12:59| to your job it doesn't care about you yeah which is the sentir about you you're you're a number they they cut your hours you were sick you're supposed to have a sick day they didn't supposed
01:13:11| to get your commission that you didn't and you're like at this place I want to stick it back to them it's like sticking it back to corporate America because corporate America is like taking over
01:13:21| it's like everything is corporate everything is a big business everything is a big company you know and they they got you by the balls you said it earlier where you have to climb this ladder very
01:13:29| slowly we have a plan for you when someone steps out and screws the company and grabs them by the balls it says cheap like we respect that that's a human condition we love saying fu to
01:13:46| corporate that's what we've always done so we always will do it's the most robotic in room I guess inhumane thing out there really like it's nice I mean to the human mm has a voting right as
01:13:58| like a human being has the power of a human being but it's not it just exists because it does that's a weird thing yeah it's also gross it's very anti human it's very anti pay people like I
01:14:14| mean it's it's made for one reason only the corporate identity it's to pay people as little as you can get as much production as you can and beat out the competition there's nothing about it
01:14:26| that's like hey let's just make all our employees happy let's do a good job hey folks feel all happy and have some fun folks jazz hands whoo I do a little recap
01:14:41| let's recap that bad boy up so we talked about the corporate ladder we talk about salary we talk about purchase for one okay time off raises health care try to work friends unemployment happy well we
01:14:53| talked about voluntary leave we talked about sometimes how the frame we frame a severance we talked about term forced resignation 50% the normal paycheck we talked about everything you
01:15:05| can imagine you talk about your resume time giving up what feels like failure being week job hopping your future mm-hm getting a little comfort instability getting some changes get some growth so
01:15:16| much being three folks healthcare construction manufacturing jobs that will always be in demand if we definitely discussed them yeah it's all about money location adaptability family
01:15:29| comfort and love baby get those advantages get those raises mmm gain some personal strengths and be confident yourself become financially independent I'm saying rock the world
01:15:40| give them the F's and the fingers how do you give it a finger by the way do you thumb out thumb in what do you do this is really how you give it no it's and it's okay I mean it's not that great lot
01:15:54| I do film out a lot because it like feels more Italian I don't know nothing you do like oh my god I got rocket wait you got a pinky out you'd even like it I love it so fuck you know I know it is a
01:16:08| shocker I think you have a small bit of words to my father there was my mother and Jesus we should work more during the daylight oh no that's not daylight anyone messed up daylight anyway I gotta
01:16:30| take that off the resume yeah I'll put back on Mike's folks for uh they can want us sometimes thanks for not quitting us thanks for not quitting folks we like it we like
01:16:46| you a lot quit your jobs tell you about to shove it on panderers full-time
00:00:13| don't respect us doing things at a pace that we shouldn't have to do ultimately we want to turn around say fu fu fu you're cool fu mm let's talk about quitting
00:00:33| so I'm Dan and I'm Nick folks we're old friends dissecting one topic at a time people technology media we've got it all covered each discussion here is a deep dive in or unique perspective the taboo
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00:01:00| content and is for entertainment purposes only so join us have a good time octave it's all dissonance this is two notes the harmonic it's a harmonic two notes that related someone else
00:01:39| during a key you know hmm so could be an octave well they're not an octave it could be harmonics though could be they feel like they are they could resonate movie I mean I hope they
00:01:51| resonate with everyone listening well we're to talk about quittin time giving up gettin tired of it can't go anymore I'm done I've had it up to here I'm gonna smack you all into tiny tiny
00:02:08| pieces quit Charlie caught I always wanted to see somebody melt down and quit on the spot I don't think I ever did though yeah I missed one by like five minutes ah it's the worst a
00:02:23| week ago already oh really week ago at the new job in your office yeah so well first let's talk about how it happened okay gossip gossips like my favorite thing at
00:02:37| work lately I'd be getting into a gossip routine where I love to talk about other managers employees with this co-worker said where I heard another manager said what the vendors are saying like it's
00:02:47| like the buzz I love it we have a division called windows and doors and my work not the name drop but it's blank windows and doors have blank countertops blank windows and doors blank generators
00:03:00| name a whole bunch of stuff good for them well windows the doors is only like three people and they're European descent they speak broken English but
00:03:10| they sell the nicest doors it's like the ones where you close them and you can't hear it close like there's no like so I got seamless oh my god it's gorgeous and it's like all the seams line up
00:03:22| perfectly you can't even see it like you can't hear the door click closed it's really good stuff like it's top-notch and here the people guests who are watching it for the first time oh my god
00:03:33| yeah the windows closed like horizontally but then can be flipped vertically or put back and open like they can be open and for some way he comes over and cleans it in half a
00:03:43| second and just like you can't even see the glass is there you're like oh my god anyway it's a it's not for everyone it's probably not for anyone it's very high-end stuff and we don't really help
00:03:55| them they're kind of behind our store and no one goes back there I never see anyone back there they have their own install teams everything else they just work in our building well one of the
00:04:08| managers headed out with them and they were screaming at each other at the top of the steps and the guy said um after you you owe me all this money at this this is bullshit
00:04:18| this is bullshit I heard a lot of quotes I can't repeat all of them on here this is Mickey Mouse this is bullshit oh um I will start my own company I will not be disrespected you
00:04:32| you are regret to pay on all of this and I am floating the bill and they have people getting ready yelling at each other you don't bring enough customers to us
00:04:40| anyway they are they stormed out and they didn't say I quit but they haven't been back and that's the entire division the entire this is one guy well it's him and his Rodham with him
00:04:53| friend with a girlfriend or wife and familial a third party who's like way under them so why would they stay so like no one's been back to the windows and doors division and I I missed it by
00:05:05| like five minutes I was outside or something and give me they're like you just missed it no one record was it come on didn't know it was happening I guess so one of those spur-of-the-moment
00:05:14| things where you see somebody meltdown and you just you absorb it because that's all you really can do unless you realize that your podcast could use that Nick I should does a punk but what is
00:05:27| quitting what is getting fired what is all of these things did you get any deets so I wanted to attack it from like the ideological sense so I was coming over on the Mayflower bootstraps and all
00:05:46| or a Puritan a nation that's like based on our religious belief that you neva keep working until you die because it was like your moral imperative right so there's all the Abraham and Noah were
00:05:58| working pill they were like 400 right now there's always people that are in like previous generations who stayed in the same job and worked it because it was like fruitful it eventually paid off
00:06:08| and some of those people are considered successful but I don't think it exists now because of all the corporations they change and they get very good at certain things and as you go along there's so
00:06:22| only so few spots and do you even want to be in those so few spots because it's all structured and the nice corporate ladder climbing very slowly over a career of decades that sound terrible
00:06:36| that's awful especially considering like you can have stuff happen in your life in a year like a corporate ladder is a slow every four years you get a raise of X at
00:06:46| fifteen years you're supposed to be at level Z all while in your life you could get hit by a car you could break your leg you could have you could move to another state now you could have a
00:06:56| divorce you could want to change your life you could get into drugs for a while and get really strung out and then be like oof I'm cleaning well too late you ruined the corporate ladder you
00:07:04| gotta start over yeah and it's like reset life keeps going but the corporate ladder is a very slow stupid dumb awful thing and you could win it I mean if you're pretty predictable and when I
00:07:15| stay true to your job and continue the carrot at the end of the stick so here you're saying I guess my distrust of it becomes from like the very first time I sat down for like a discussion on the
00:07:26| raise that I was supposed to get her I did get they had it was a very elaborate chart with all these grids they had like a mean deviation from like the center which means that like the average amount
00:07:38| of percent that the whole team got was here and because of your experience and all this stuff they made it very mathematical and it was only like a 1% race and they went through like a whole
00:07:48| shtick it was a whole hoopla to get you to be like okay I understand where that percent comes from but do you really want that 1% it's like it's less than inflation and if you were to map that
00:08:01| out it's like you'd be banking on getting a promotion which means you would have to pretty much like get really down in deep and someone's brown brown holes
00:08:14| team to get that promotion and work really hard which flux them nostrils baby it works to a certain point I think and then it just fizzles a certain point is gonna fizzle cuz you're gonna have
00:08:26| someone else that is just anal retentive like they are OCD about doing work and they somehow Ronnie or were on our nozière then you know they put up a face of Assad that works better than then you
00:08:40| could ever do because you don't put that in than what I do it oh I'm so squirrel and I think there's a squirrel outside my window that's chirping goblins that's him
00:08:49| squirrels chirp all the time well for the record um people either quit or get fired a lot of terms in between let go laid off the voluntary leave I quit that other me hated my horse resign then even
00:09:08| retirement do you know you have to quit to retire I think it is hmm I guess you wouldn't it's a choice right the quitting is the option that you take you have an option that to quit I guess you
00:09:19| could force them to fire you that's just not your choice but it might Hey I mean what's that guy who just left and said I don't quit I just wanna leave and you suck you suck azisa expired
00:09:32| right so there are benefits to quitting versus getting fired well there you aware yeah well fired I think have you ever been fired from a job I have never been technically fired
00:09:44| from a job job so you're fired egg DeWitt that's my favorite line I never knew what it meant but as a kid it was very big cliche in movies there's a separable you're all fired
00:09:58| it could be involved it's not necessarily and if you have your job if your job gives you a severance mm-hmm so when you're fired you're technically terminated for a reason as long as it's
00:10:11| not an illegal thing like they said oh he was selling drugs on property um where he was what's not one there's a moral thing about the in line with the meals is company and if you beat your
00:10:23| wife and they fire you know you arrested accompanying your wife right they don't have to you're ineligible for unemployment do you know an unemployment is I've never collected it I never
00:10:34| thought about it um actually we hit this I think it's like I don't know what it is now but it used to be like six months and you can probably get about maybe like II - 10 grand over the courses at 6
00:10:44| months to help you in transfer it all depends on your state and the maximum allowable mm-hmm but it's usually around out around 8 grand yeah we had this during of Duty's weeks mm-hmm house all
00:10:59| right we had this everyday one with my wife worked were a certain company that was treating her and fairly so she claimed that it
00:11:09| was unfair and left she quit and then claimed unemployment but then they were in cahoots with somebody else and then they went back at her with workers comp lawyers and then said like it's not
00:11:25| clear enough and they went to a panel and the panel judged against her so she lost the unemployment that they had given her huh so you know I'll take it from people if they were not wrongfully
00:11:37| terminated which is what the termination was interesting mm-hmm if you quit though you can actually collect unemployment because that was a choice correct that's the idea right
00:11:50| um the benefit of so people people leave jobs all the time does it better be quit or be fired if you're leaving your job and you know you're applying for a new job it's probably better to quit because
00:12:03| a you're on good terms with the old job you can keep him on your resume I mean that would be pretty awful where do our class not important please don't contact them I was fired for what showing my
00:12:13| wiener a lot trying to trying to get fired like you imagined you're trying to get fired and they're like why were you fired indecent exposure I stole a bunch of stuff I stopped showing up for work
00:12:24| so I'm young at-will employment which is a term they use a lot it's the the non justification so there doesn't have to be any justification by the company on why you got fired and they don't have to
00:12:36| give you any notice so if you are in an at-will state they can just you're done goodbye interesting no reason at all you're gone see how thorough it is but the pro of quitting I was going to say
00:12:49| it's that you can keep them on your resume oftentimes you can aam arrange something with your company saying I'm leaving but I don't want to leave you guys high and dry
00:12:57| I'll leave in three weeks maybe you give me a severance at three weeks you won't have to fire me maybe six weeks maybe eight weeks pay and I won't file for unemployment will be good except ten we
00:13:09| might sound cute at door yeah versus if you're fired I mean that leaves a bad taste you burn bridges essentially yeah so get that unemployment baby hell yeah but so
00:13:22| there's a stigma there is that Nick and I both left jobs in the past year mine was more recent about a month ago I felt that by quitting I was gonna abandon the people that I had worked with for like a
00:13:33| decade and it was a good job it was just you know wasn't going as fast as I wanted her to go so even after I left the moment I said I was quitting there were people that popped up and we're
00:13:43| like what about this job what about this job but it was in the same yeah mmm it was a little different it wasn't from my main company which was kind of sad because if my company had
00:13:56| just given me a little bit of a raise I probably have been content and stayed there because I already knew the people who the company knew the job right no comfort level yeah so there are always
00:14:07| options that crop up that you don't even know about until you actually say you're quitting like you were defended and of course and then they show them up oh by the way
00:14:15| we're gonna offer more money oh my god like hey we were gonna offer more money and you're like this is part of the problem yeah and part of the reason that I get I was there for a while and got
00:14:23| had decent raises that got a nice cool feisty the squirrels are wild this time of year anyway so the part of the reason that I was doing okay was because I would always
00:14:32| challenged them with another offer from an outside company that said like I'm worth this much so I was doing well up into a point where they pretty much didn't want to match that yes that
00:14:44| squirrel is feisty I'm feisty squirrel so I'm gonna go and fire that squirrel um yeah free where I was going 100 companies get lazy in Indiana and more options show up when you tell them
00:15:00| you're quitting yeah they know that they know that you get comfortable you get comfortable in a position and they're gonna keep you there and if you do stay and don't take a new job you're gonna be
00:15:10| reduced salary wise over the course of your career people who leave jobs end up making about 20 to 30% more at a new job I didn't get 20 to 30 but I did get more I did irregardless over the cola job
00:15:24| switcher job switcher versus job steyr job hopper yeah yeah more and more people are moving to the did you get into any of that yeah in a good economy people feel more
00:15:36| comfortable in the job market and jobs offer more money so if you're at your job they're not gonna just be like hey the job market increased here you go I'm gonna be like we got them at a good rate
00:15:44| but if you jump you can keep jumping and jumping and every I know people who have jumped every two years so they I mean for a financial jump and you're making twenty percent more each time you jump I
00:15:56| mean that probably made at least like what 60 70 percent more than what I was making if I'd been content and stayed place depending at certain level you can't get 20 percent every time you jump
00:16:12| well it depends how strategic you are so the people that I worked with since I worked for I'll say NASA because that's true never heard of them yeah mom-and-pop operation don't care people
00:16:26| use that like two and three years of experience to say that they did something fantastic for NASA because you can talk about it it's not a private company they're on our secrets you can
00:16:34| just say this is what I worked on and people can be impressed and then you can jump to the like the next tech tech company or in different location inside of NASA so people jump right Houston to
00:16:46| San Diego which is where Ames is and then they would jump to like Mountain View that's like right around where like San Jose all those places like Google Apple I know people that went directly
00:17:00| to those big companies because they had worked at NASA and then is it because um essentially when you're making that job jump is it less a job jump so much as a low-cal jump
00:17:09| I think people if they're single and they can be like open to anywhere they can take the best offer for the best location so okay I apply to everywhere and see what they say but mostly when
00:17:24| they say to what I make now cuz it doesn't make sense to hire someone new unless they have a really good resume which I'm trying to get Nick here a brand-new fresh job with a company that
00:17:39| my family knows well I used to work for and I went over his resume and his resume surprised me cuz like a lot of it was written in a way that did not seem professional I was
00:17:53| Cressida rious yeah and even the English in there I was like your generation was fine tenses and then there's a way to a shrew spine hooks but but the rest of what he's saying makes sense he was
00:18:05| trying to play up things like he's very stick-to-itiveness customer service which I guess it sounds good when you say it but when you write it down and the other way around you see this is the
00:18:26| thing I don't think you understand you always get a higher paying job I will always be a better employee than anyone literally every place I've ever worked everyone's like oh wow he's he's the
00:18:41| best one we have cuz there's every rise now because your resume was so shitty and they're like what maybe but how do you convey that you're going to be the best somewhere without a fact
00:18:52| I know everywhere I worked I was it was the best restaurant worker I was the best bar restaurant supplier I was Miss granites Houseman I was the best that was Ben's a liquor store worker it was
00:19:02| the best these are low bars I get it but how do you convey that to an employer and be like listen no matter who the hell you hire I'm the guy who actually figures it out I do more than everyone
00:19:13| else I'm smarter than everyone else and I can actually go above and beyond and be a better employee if you hire me you will be like wow he can do more than just one thing this is incredible and
00:19:25| I'm like yeah anyone can do more than one thing my resume doesn't show it because damn wouldn't let me use subjective terms like can do many things Swiss Army blade you gotta brush up on
00:19:39| resumes we gotta quit a job didn't but I didn't but what I'm doing I was a company exactly I use that term because that's what I am I'm the only person at this current company that works in the
00:19:51| back and the front iso generators like it's it's bizarre and i don't know how to explain that to an employee I don't not to be like listen I'm not a regular jackoff I
00:20:00| know what I'm doing I'm not sure God says I can't put that in the resume though I can't put I'm the bad will baby can magic off on your face and you're gonna love it just hire me you'll see
00:20:14| I'm like um who's the guy who used to arm Claude Lemieux if I showed you his regular season statistics and his face and his face and his name and what he did what he did on the ice it's like
00:20:29| very this guy's not a very special player but he was a point per game player in the playoffs he was ridiculous he was integral to every win they had because because he's a he has
00:20:42| intangibles yeah intangibles that are in belt and not embellished indelible know they're like indelible in the playoffs right and that's where I'm trying to explain that to people but if I put that
00:20:55| in the resume Dan's gonna say cross out the entire paragraph really it's just one paragraph about how I'm like Claude Lemieux so and I'll punch someone in the most here's a job interview question why
00:21:04| did you leave your old job or like why are not enough opportunity they weren't challenging me enough I was fulfilling each and every job every opportunity they had and it was leaving me a little
00:21:16| unfulfilled I need something that pushes me further I need more research I need to get further in a career I need to work with a stable company that has goals and
00:21:26| achievements that are more long-term is what I would say I was that was good so what I would mean is I need more money and it's boring I'm out yeah can you pay not more to stay entertain for a little
00:21:41| while longer it's not and again it's not entertainment per se I love gossip I love working my current company it's just it's very unstable it's very there's no future growth I don't make
00:21:53| any money so yeah yeah so guide it you can do that really you can pull the resume up and read it off I don't care say fine what you don't like I don't I don't mind because this is the other
00:22:08| thing when you work at the jobs I have I don't have a NASA thing work and they worked on the giant project robot dick yeah which which by the way is that any more
00:22:21| important folks largest projectile in the Earth's orbit regardless I don't have a lot of facts to back it up so I would have to just make up stuff and at that point I don't feel comfortable
00:22:36| being like see but you don't know you had a key opportunity though because you worked for a family business and you could have said that you did everything from the small little I mean you always
00:22:46| say and then like see that's a cliche too isn't it yeah I mean this is not I wouldn't say that on a resume right you know right you could say anything and then who they
00:22:58| have to test it they would have it everywhere they'd be like yes this is yeah you did he implemented the new program development team he would look over as he's on the final get Sam look
00:23:13| at Billy yeah he implemented the new sales force what was the old did it yeah he did it sure ah and you're right I'm not I'm not the world's best liar either is that really
00:23:30| a good liar you could he could have done some piddly thing at work and then made it work and it still would have been great then why wouldn't I still be there because it was
00:23:42| going in the wrong direction mmm not by my fault so let's talk about like why people stay at a company honestly so they they get comfortable they make friends they have a middle
00:23:55| loyalty to the company I guess the way the company operates they get they know people they know the managers the bosses so they become familiar almost friends right yeah oh yeah and then there might
00:24:08| be perks so there's like 401k or health insurance so I mean everyone's right their health insurance I don't know why that's ever incorporated into a job
00:24:18| it makes it it is really weird isn't it it is weird when you think about it if you were to get terminated you would a lose your health insurance have to pay more money for it
00:24:28| with money that you don't have because you didn't don't have your job anymore yes it's like it's like a double or even triple whammy cuz you're just like you're left out in the cold with nothing
00:24:38| like you can't yes drive your car really to go to interviews because it's kind of dangerous car accident dangers we might cover someone what we're talking about right now in the healthcare episode
00:24:52| insurance episode future reference wink-wink nudge-nudge Cobra more than just a snake snake absolutely but no you're right I mean it's it is weird that it started that
00:25:10| way probably as a perk and then became a necessity yeah and then now that it's a necessity it's like you can't have a job that doesn't have that stuff yeah people holdout and retiring because they want
00:25:23| their insurance did you hear that um now you work for nicer corporations but a buddy of mine who does headhunting he hires people for jobs all over from Microsoft and stuff like that he said
00:25:35| that um no one does a 401 K anymore and I was like really do he was like he was like not really he's like in the private in the private sector none and I was like I don't know what you're saying
00:25:46| who's your friend I had every every job I've had is he talking for you or in general in general that he says um Microsoft and stuff even stopped offering for most of their employees and
00:25:59| stuff I have to look this up and just tell or maybe he said pension it was there for one can change his pension then uh pensions are dying I will give him the Hawkeye pension he says it's
00:26:08| like government jobs and then like two other places what's the difference between a pension a 401k I have no idea pension is a set plan that you put money
00:26:16| into and then it gives you a set amount once you retire so like it will give you it's your own money right it is your own money but they do they add to it do they meet it they do match it in certain
00:26:26| cases and they invested in their own but they would guarantee that they have a certain amount for you when you retire like per month basis but that okay per month basis
00:26:35| stays the same and most pension plans so it reduces over time the amount that you get because of inflation mmm if everyone from one 401 K is the amount of money that you did keep and put in your own
00:26:48| investments mutual funds whatnot and they some companies meet it match it whatever right well to a certain percentage I think Microsoft will match three percent is what this this one says
00:27:00| maybe six percent depending on it might have been I maybe just talking about pensions not yeah yeah hey so I saw still as a 401k a say nothing not okay but the 401k is your money put in
00:27:13| investments before taxes and you get that money indefinitely and it when do you get that money after you leave this job anytime you want in ten years in 40 years when you retire is a rule yeah you
00:27:27| can I know once you take it out it's considered a capital gain or a gain of some sort so you have to pay taxes on it right that all works if you do it before a certain age I think is like fifty nine
00:27:36| and a half then you pay additional penalties on hand are you serious fifty nine and a half it might have went up to sixty three like when you retire I think it's a half though okay
00:27:47| so you pay penalty the whole intent is that you keep money until you're in the retired range and then they don't put a penalty on it you still pays a lot to hit that right yeah right so it's safe
00:27:58| in the margin and it ensures that you have a good retirement so I don't have a can make your own there are methods for you to do that if you know I make another where I just I took well just
00:28:13| make it sure I don't big enough I don't think enough thank you so that's another perk so the 401 K I guess once you've established yourself in a job you can kind of set your own hours if you're
00:28:23| competent enough and the company likes you so my previous job I had those damn squirrels um then my previous job they had off Fridays every other Friday to the 980 scheduled when once they only
00:28:34| hear this squirrel cuz this squirrel might have pneumonia or somebody okay huh so my previous job had a 980 so it means every other Friday head off so you just work more time in order to fill up
00:28:45| your she and then once that time she hit 80 hours over the course of two weeks he could just leave you're good so that was one of the perks that I really miss
00:28:56| because it's just one of the days is free and the kids are at daycare the wife was out working I would just elevate games and sleep and it was fantastic
00:29:05| so I miss it so much and wait till I retire I quit guys I quit right I'm out folks I'm out don't you have a parable about the fisherman or something there's like
00:29:19| a dog mouth nope so he goes out and he fishes a little bit and he he comes back he sells his fish and he sleeps all day and then somebody else is in a corporate environment who's trying to earn money
00:29:33| to retire they're going out there fishing they're doing all sorts of stuff they're spending a whole lot of time out there they're working their asses off they come back and they ask the guy like
00:29:42| couldn't you work harder so you could just you know relax when you're retired my guy says what are you talking about them I'm already enjoying life and being happy as is I see you you're delaying
00:29:54| your enjoyment for this goal that's so far away it's like maybe you have something wrong it's like so the goal in a lot of like European nations is that they take a siesta they stay out late
00:30:08| they enjoy life and they relax because like maybe there's something wrong with the way we approach jobs and that you know we don't enjoy our jobs because their work like their hard work right
00:30:23| their work but a labor of love and something you enjoy doing perhaps daddy I'd like 80% of people hated their jobs and they would quit it's a lot yeah so like a lot of people
00:30:35| put up with a lot of BS and I don't know I guess we're forcing ourselves to do this shitty jobs because we believe they're paying off in the end well there's an interesting
00:30:46| philosophical take on this which I almost want to do an episode in itself and we won't get too deep into it but human beings by nature what are we supposed to do hunt survive find food
00:31:00| I'm shelter battle each other look for resources look for things to make us greater things to make everything in life easier make ourselves more comfortable we've found a way to do that
00:31:12| on the regular every day ready so now so now what is the human beings soul purpose she's some game achieve some new goal that's money I guess and not that I think is wrong with money but there's to
00:31:28| get money there so it's a weird it's a weird system we're in it's very um it might not be natural like animals don't have money they don't jobs they don't have quit rates or fire rates and again
00:31:41| they live out in the cold they eat each other they die of diseases or that's a rough life today but in making comforts for ourselves we've also made new obstacles and weird things and
00:31:56| stuff that makes our lives miserable like we're destined to be miserable I think that's part of why we're good that stuff like being intelligent so like I'm gonna there's one instance of and I
00:32:08| think monkeys that use money I think they were aware of the like the value of an object because they would get food for it so they would start trading than object I don't have a name for you but
00:32:21| that's there's a case out there for that so atoms are aware of the value of things that inherently don't have any value value placed upon them maybe it's just monkeys wood that's what these jobs
00:32:31| kind of are now we're getting back into jobs here too much uh yeah quit later what a segue to is to quitting Wall Street Journal 2018 you know the most people ever in a month
00:32:44| quit voluntarily their jobs 3.4 million people in the United States quit in April 2018 highest ever to now part of that is because we have more people than ever yeah I don't know if I'm planning
00:32:57| this but job markets unemployment is around four four percent right now this is really low yeah yes one in six people who are unemployed right now they think did so intentionally whether it was
00:33:13| because they hate the job and they had some financial security whether they forced themselves to get fired whether they forced United mean quitting is on the rise they found
00:33:23| the highest it ever was I did a little study here a little digging quitting was at its highest in December of 1973 I have no clue why 17.2 percent of the population quit that's a fifth of the
00:33:42| population just decided to not keep working now this had to do with a shift in regimes what happened in 73 was that a manufacturer thing it's not it wasn't a war thing was it December 1973 check
00:33:54| it out in the Vietnam Nixon maybe maybe job maybe just jobs were changing at an alarming rate with the invention of something I didn't get this far um the lows they often are um I came across
00:34:08| two lows December in 1982 only 6.7 percent of people were quitting in October of 2010 only 5.8 percent of people with that's a very low number and that was 2010 there was a scare I think
00:34:28| it has to do with like the hippie movement only people say we don't need money anymore we have flower power and love and all these guys are just like it's I don't know but it's going up
00:34:38| recently now as of May 2018 it was 13.2% so we're almost back up to the high number I don't know that we'll get to that one but yeah records so there's one thing I will say I mean after having
00:34:52| quit a job that I worked out for 10 years my closest friends already had left for the most part because they were more ambitious they had sought out what I guess I had achieved earlier because I
00:35:04| think they gave the raise to me and not them and over a period of time I realized that I wasn't gonna get the next one like the right head hit a ceiling right you haven't heard your day
00:35:14| hit your raise Clara for a while yeah so they weren't they weren't ready to give me any more and the people remaining there were some friends there and there I mean I considered some of them close
00:35:23| friends but when you leave what do you consider what do you consider friends your jobs it's so weird we talk a weekly bi-weekly basis I text you every day but
00:35:32| I don't know what you're like to your friends at your work I don't think I change all that much I honestly think I am I'm not saying that but like what do you do do you walk up to their area and
00:35:43| be like hey what's going on do your this joke you you fight your armpit or something like do to armpit fart seven like you be like hey how about the game last week crazy right so I don't know
00:35:53| what you do so my best friends all the like some of them are like whiners because they're complaining everything [Music] but some people are like yeah gossipy
00:36:06| and knowledgeable I love gossips so those people I think are they're interesting they can be your friends but they could also stab you in the back but that's okay as long as you're aware of
00:36:16| it I had a good group of friends where like the mobile games like we'd all play the mobile games together some of them you know because of a clash of clans link so some of those guys like they
00:36:27| already knew that like I enjoyed doing other things the pony drizzle yeah oh my god that's great I think of that so those guys were I think they were genuinely cared about like what I was
00:36:37| trying to do and they saw that I think my career was gonna have a trajectory other than where I was working and they always pushed me to be like you got to find something that pay you more so
00:36:48| those people were my friends and like I eat lunch with them and stuff but when I left like I don't I haven't talked to them really so like one of there's a weird like worker friendship that yeah
00:36:59| there is you have a camaraderie with these people just because you're in the same misery but when you leave like I was expecting those people coming out the woodwork and be like let's grab
00:37:07| lunch really like you only have like two weeks left let's grab let's do this but like that only happened like on a smaller like a very small scale for the amount of Hitler in their defense means
00:37:20| all of their defense was on holiday now I mean in their defense in everyone's defense with that like as it is like my life feels like as busy as it convey sure like you're as it is I'm like I'm
00:37:32| booked with everything kid my schedule oh I gotta fix this I gotta fight a turn on red tomorrow whoo all mr. Leonard I'm looking at you okay I didn't do it
00:37:43| I hope the cop doesn't show up anyway like I have all these things I get an insurance claim someone messed up my bumper or I haven't gotten around to it's been like two and a half weeks at
00:37:55| work I have this big job that's gonna close this I have this big thing like there's always 40 things going on oh my god I didn't do my Christmas shopping oh my god I did do some Christmas shopping
00:38:02| I didn't wrap it's a lot of exciting yes put this together laughing no there's just a lot of things going on it's not excuse fine but then if someone was like hey I'm leaving my child be like that's
00:38:11| the saddest thing ever we I catch food we gotta hang out we got to our thing but my kid gets real sick guess what that plans out the window right that's true that's true I mean if it really
00:38:24| happens that's what happens um let's say something happens like I'm applying for a new job I'm trying to do this I'm like I really can't happen to be the job interviews on that day dude I can't yeah
00:38:35| he's like that's all right it's no big deal we'll catch you another time well it's like another time doesn't happen a lot so I mean I will say this on I had a business trip on the flight back which
00:38:47| was about two hours long I opened up the laptop and I started writing an email I've started thinking about every single person that I ever interacted with that like would remember me and maybe even
00:38:58| not could I remember them and we had like a decent interaction at one point it was like 200 people by the end I was like at the end of the email I thought I would still worked at the same area and
00:39:07| the same at the NASA location and like I think I wrote like a very like heart not heartfelt but like II could tell it like oh I think to me there was more emotional than a bit like yeah I'm
00:39:20| leaving goodbye but it was more than that so out of those people I think only like maybe 30 replies so like 50 percent now 15 percent to say that right of the people and I was like I kinda surprised
00:39:34| by that I guess this is like not that many people will genuinely care which is kind of I guess kind of surprising but I guess not so much I know you're going to another paying job which is left here to
00:39:48| be like I'm in trouble I have issues like that would be different well what other the only other circumstance you could leave is if you
00:39:56| got fired and if you get fired they'll come to your desk and make sure you collect what you have is that is yours and then walk you out of the building and then never talk about you ever again
00:40:06| all the time Colette ever got fired first we have a gossip but like a company we'll never talk about that person they won't say why you're fired you know they'll just be like he's gone
00:40:16| now like deal with it it's weird so like the friends the friends that I had like I can count on one hand out of like knowing 200 people like not very many people that were work friends or
00:40:30| genuine friends so like if you're thinking about quitting a job because you love the people you work with do they love you back right now most cases project unless your
00:40:43| father become Accenture did a study in mm-hmm top-4 is like I don't like my boss 31% of people most people don't like Philly yeah I love my old boss did it was it was great
00:41:06| no it's a good time it was a happy office feel like a schism lack empowerment 31% I wasn't empowered right internal politics maybe 35% directly a high number you know it's funny and last
00:41:29| one lack recognition 43% okay yeah I'll take that make sense um can you pull us a podcast I think I can do you would you like to yeah okay you gotta go figure that out yes real quick I'll keep my
00:41:48| same outfit okay all right did do it good go drop a deuce let me check my kids no no my kids doing some weird shit and he might have pneumonia or something so hopefully we're not going to the yard
00:42:00| but let me check okay I heard a lot of screaming crying hold on just give me two minutes so like there's four main reasons and lack of recognition seems to be one of
00:42:18| the highest ones which makes sense because if your boss is like hey thanks but then they don't use your work for anything like you like it working you do a project and that project doesn't get
00:42:31| used and you don't get reprimanded or anything but what did you just do you just kind of wasted 40 hours so this is this happen to me I had three part-time jobs essentially inside of my own
00:42:41| company that would make up for what I was making because I was making a decent amount of money and then I got relegated to one full-time job which after six months I automated most of it but no one
00:42:52| gave a shit about the automation of it it just made my job super easy and at that point I was like I could milk this for five years and I'd be fine for five years but after that I would have wasted
00:43:03| the prime of my career so like my recognition needed to be higher so that people would be like automate one this other thing for more money but that never happened so like I guess I gotta
00:43:16| leave my ideology says that I made them build myself up because there's things that I'm lacking and I'll never get them here can make sense now what about like quitting in general like we've talked
00:43:30| about reasons to quit I did you wanna get into some more reasons people quit yeah so I can get in my old jobs which I guess I quit but I didn't think of it that way I guess the the logic is gonna
00:43:40| be like yeah you're moving on it's just I'm well yeah I don't think I quit that job I just passed on keep to keep doing what gonna be a minimum wage but I would love for the rest of your life I mean
00:43:50| you're gonna move on right so this is these are some of the jobs that I had like a newspaper packer like before they sent out the newspapers you pack them in a certain way you put any clear in the
00:43:59| clear yeah through plastic you get all this black ink on your hands and you don't know you pay that well and it's not like the hell wants to do that shit
00:44:11| computer repair I guess the jobs just got done same thing with I installed networks like the ethernet cables for office buildings mentioned
00:44:19| and what you did with that money made a lot of money on the other my first computer was bought with that money is good stuff but you know you finished an office building and they don't have any
00:44:28| more usually okay see you later some of these these were high school jobs and I went on to college so I worked for Target and Hollywood video which it's a shame I did I left that out of a video
00:44:40| job it would have really held out would taken your career off yeah what a skyrocketing CEO by now I'm the only guy left that was a good job though I enjoyed it my severance back yeah
00:44:54| and then the college jobs where you're just there for like three months because you've got nothing else to do I just pizza and rent buy some beer I worked at Pizza Hut as a serving sexy so
00:45:04| I don't I think they have restaurants anymore they just have like carryout right it's a good point just delivery guys and carry out yes so that that'd be a dead-end job too
00:45:15| were you uh big in the book aid program huh his little stars are awesome looks did you read a hundred yeah alright kid yeah it's not a liar I mean we gotta give them 14 pizzas now fifty shades of
00:45:31| gray oh that's not on the list I read it I know what happens in the end the movies were to go get her tight yeah haebang and then I had internships and then I
00:45:44| started like real engineering jobs so there's a point there where the engineering jobs that just moved for a better location or a better ideology of what it would be like like what would
00:45:56| like this recent job I move for all the right reasons I think and it was painful to go but like quitting was necessary for me to grow I feel that now after three weeks it's like I need to do it
00:46:10| you know yeah I mean it doesn't feel great to not know what you're doing it's kind of painful and there's just like angsty angriness that you feel inside of you when you're just like I wish I could
00:46:22| have just kept it easy for myself but there's another PCU that's like a duality that you know if you kept it easy you wouldn't have been happy with yourself
00:46:32| so you're right you kind of have to keep battling yourself and then also fighting what other people are doing to make yourself happy it's kind of a weird form of happiness that it depends on like the
00:46:45| state of not only you but the economy around you the people around you the company you're in right there's a lot of things moving there's a lot of things going on utilize different moving parts
00:46:54| and not almost none of them line up perfectly so you're gonna have flowing out or you never mm-hmm that's life baby whoo we just summed up life it's over good episode beyond I got top ten
00:47:09| quitting reasons to kind of fly it in with the other one I'll just go through them real quick relationships with boss touch on the other one board unchallenged yeah I mean just touch that
00:47:19| right there yeah your coworkers whether you get along with them whether they're just awful people how well do you make with your co-workers your new ones really well they love me but they really
00:47:31| love them yeah I think so I think way I'll put it this way if it's a shitty job and commissions are down and like company seems to be in disarray my favorite time is to drive to work
00:47:44| because I know I'm gonna go see X&Y or I'll dude I bet Z's in today or all dude I hope someone's O's in I'm gonna be gossiping to hell with what's his name I'll be joking with selling so like
00:47:56| that's I love that stuff the saddest part was when I leave and I'm like I just worked an eight-hour shift and I felt like one person I sold one granite deal and wow this job sucks like you
00:48:07| mean yeah it's in a reflection like some things you can't do while you're doing them you can't reflect in the act action of doing things but I love the coworkers what I'm getting at that looks anywhere
00:48:19| at work even the guys in the back who don't speak English I've relationships with them I'm always like heard every time I see him he's like like you know I mean like I have a connection with
00:48:29| certain people there's the it's weird because I don't think that of all people do that which is strange to me because like even the people who are like shipping and
00:48:37| receiving like the dock workers like I know conversation dr. Humberts they're my favorite people in the world I can talk with some dock workers there's some funny people there and
00:48:46| they're not really afraid to say they're mine so it's like being around them is enjoyable but some people don't they treat them like they're just like a cog they're just a piece that they need to
00:48:55| spin so it's weird right I don't I don't know why people work that way and then listen I love everyone like I'm really good friends with guys in the back fabricators and installers shippers I'm
00:49:09| good with the managers like I make them laugh I like I like make everyone laugh I make everyone get along I make everyone be happy I do favors for everyone in every
00:49:18| situation I'm like yo stay there I'll get it dude relax yesterday or two days ago a girl threw up like a four-year-old or she's probably eight because her parents brought her to buy granite
00:49:29| countertops she was feeling sick she flew up right on the floor I was like you know go away I know where what's-his-name keeps the bucket in the back and went back and I grabbed the
00:49:37| bucket they just started mopping it up and like Nick how did you know where that was nothing it's in the back now you guys is it every day they're
00:49:44| like but you don't know how to do that I was like you throw water on the ground when I was gonna leave it till tomorrow but like the manager was like Nick this is really good work and I'm like again
00:49:53| I'm just mopping up from like like people think whirring this is beautiful I never seen this before someone's crying I hope she puts a little nose like Nick did really well today like
00:50:05| it's great but like people are afraid to step outside of their jocks yeah yeah I'm like yeah I'll clean up throw up I don't care yo for the whole day you want me to just follow installers and hang
00:50:18| with them I'll tell jokes the installers I know they have like Czech accents and stuff but like I'm down um some days are like can you just shadow someone so and do something like the other day we had a
00:50:29| new guy I was like let me train him for like hour they're like you don't know how to train people awesome like like hell I don't I trained a new guy like no biggie ooh
00:50:38| ooh the new guy in like up you didn't or you don't I did not I like almost everyone and I feel like he's a serial reddit guy mmm which is usually like I can talk to those people but he's
00:50:56| like to read it maybe and on top of that I didn't figure it out till we said goodbye because he shook my hand when I said hello when he said goodbye I shook his hand again like oh my god yes small
00:51:08| hands it's a lawyer from Roy sunny yeah I know it's like no that's all I'm gonna think about tiny hands all over your hands care about that lowly creeping and he
00:51:23| was the nicest guy but like I love my co-workers I love heaven I love everybody at every job I didn't I put that in my resume man I love you if you let me anyway let's go through the last
00:51:39| few on this list of reasons people quit sure contribution of work to business this is sort of similar to what we said but the amount you can change working corporation right let's say you work on
00:51:52| a project for six months a year and they're like oh well we didn't use it but thank you I mean we're gonna reimburse you but thank you we went in a different direction you're like that at
00:52:01| least in my kind yeah autonomy and independence like how much people are like micromanagement do word micromanagement meaningfulness of the job itself like some people are like man
00:52:14| I love to sell a granite countertop and change the way the world works and sometimes people are like this is so stupid like dude I mean yeah I wanna send something in this space that's
00:52:26| gonna save people's lives cool seems like a dozen lives I mean really was not about many lives utilitarian I mean that's not that many mm-hmm important lines oh yeah they are
00:52:41| important lines you're gonna well mom's lives those are the ones that about this one astronauts pretty important no another another reason for quitting when you
00:52:52| know an organization's financial stability like snow is going down I'm out I'm out then cut the healthcare plan and no raises no overtime mmm
00:53:05| now listen to me you didn't hear this from me but we're not allowed to sell Dale tile at my company right now just came down the pipeline
00:53:14| Gotha is a big company they said there's a shipping issue I heard it's cuz they owe money ahaha I want to give Sam likes the margins I don't know
00:53:26| I love gossip um last two or like corporate culture which makes sense mean are you part of a cog but really it's like you watch office space like you imagine be a part of that always All
00:53:38| Hands meetings and like the like state of the company meetings I never went to any of those Howard Schiphol I know but I know I would you know I I mean you go to a couple and then eight years later
00:53:54| you're just like what are those I don't I don't I didn't hear you could you repeat I didn't hear the I know struggle and I missed it last one was management's recognition of your
00:54:03| performance which is different than the company using your contributions its management actually looking and being like wow you did your job or versus well how you did your job very well or thank
00:54:15| you we commend you we're gonna give you a raise we're gonna give you more projects somewhere on this chart here you fit into the scheme where there's a bell curve and you're kind of right here
00:54:23| so that means maybe we'll see you next year mmm maybe so there's another element that we're mostly talking jobs like when I was younger I used to quit a lot of
00:54:36| things so like whenever I would play a sport like I quit baseball quit soccer whenever there was a summer camp I quit the summer camp position were you in baseball
00:54:48| well they moved me around they I was outfield and they put me a pitcher and the problem was that I didn't give a shit and I was pitching and literally I would
00:54:58| throw the ball get bored get distracted and then the catcher would throw the ball back to me but I wouldn't be paying attention and it like hit me and I'd be like ah
00:55:08| damnit and like I would I don't know why I didn't give a shit his kid maybe because I think I was like forced into it I didn't have any passion right that's probably that's probably why I
00:55:18| mean they're trying to impart my parents are trying to impart something on to me our generation was the last one who uh was forced to play peewee baseball I think I think the generation after us
00:55:28| like ten years later didn't they realize the play and then I'm baseball so that's a weird though I mean like I'm serious about peewee baseball I think we were the last or age group was last one and
00:55:40| so we're all forced everyone in the world was playing peewee based yeah I think ten years later that number probably dropped by like 30 percent 40 percent I don't know so that's a weird
00:55:49| thing because of other sports too like they got kids in soccer whatever flood of memories but right no they weren't these sports ten years later but they are now let's not get into that but
00:56:01| there's a weird thing where you're trying to teach your child that like there's camaraderie there's fun like the one sport I did pick up was ice hockey which is kind of like surprising in a
00:56:13| way but not really it's my dad played ice hockey but they tried to get me into that earlier and I even got play so there's an element that like I still play ice hockey there's pieces of it
00:56:23| that are just inherently fun they're just enjoyable to do you don't get that from baseball and I guess they're trying to see what I would like would work for me but to me I felt like I was letting
00:56:34| them down to them I was probably just like try this out but they never phrased it in the right way cuz I guess if you're a parent talking to your child you can't tell the child but like this
00:56:44| is just like a temporary thing just have fun whether just see what you do the child takes it very seriously to try to figure it out and I think that's what I did until I was like buckets shit I'm
00:56:53| tired of this prep and then I mean think of this I mean you I have to assume a parent knows her kid more than the kid knows a kid right okay so I what the hell's going on here right so I mean
00:57:06| your parents trying to show you stuff and they're like guys I could be interested in this here's us gonna be interested in this here though he's not weird in this and let's say one of
00:57:14| them's ice hockey and you end up being really interested in you're like I wish he showed it to me in a way that made it more awesome and like really got me into it yeah I mean parent
00:57:23| probably showed you a thousand things you probably said no or didn't like half of them yeah I mean it's hard because they would have to know ahead of time what you were into and know to show you
00:57:32| it in an interesting in a tactical you don't I mean so parents stuff don't quit your children that's true that's a really good point yeah what's interesting is the opposite of quitting
00:57:44| is professionalism it's sticking it out even though you should quit is that the definition of professionalism I don't know it a new having an customers say you're the shittiest person known to man
00:57:56| and ya don't know what you're doing I mean that's professionalism professionalism is wearing a suit wearing a tie when you really don't need to it's filling out a whole bunch of
00:58:05| extra forms when you they really don't mean anything it's like doing extra work and hanging in the office and doing extra stuff even wearing extra stuff it's extra stuff to make you feel like
00:58:17| you're you're not doing it because you like it obviously you're doing it because it's a duty so how many people can actually quit their whatever's and find something
00:58:28| they're passionate about and be passionate about it do you that it's a low number in this culture oasis I would what would you put it at like maybe less than 20% probably like I was done with
00:58:46| I think that number is on the rise I'll tell you why the internet changed everything forever my dad's generation maybe before him you touched on this earlier my dad got a job at 16 moving
00:59:01| stuff out for a piano company and the people who were there said hey can you help move stuff in we're starting up on Restaurant Supply he stayed and helped them move stuff in and they hired him
00:59:12| and I'm weird he's been there to this day how many years is that it was born in 60 started at 16 so he started in like 76 78 tone between the two and he's been more still this year forty years
00:59:27| that one job dude so imagine my never father was the same way ever had another jobs even my dad's never had he's never made one Oh crazy herd that's genetic that's why your resume sucks but
00:59:46| yeah it I can't believe that someone will worked the same job do you think do you think that he should have changed jobs at some point do you think it would I think he should have but it's too late
00:59:58| man I mean do you think he misses down the experiences that he doesn't know he missed a lot so like my parents are the same ways that they live it unlike a bubble a little bit of a sheltered life
01:00:09| and they like they come down here which is the southern state and we go to get tex-mex and they don't know what queso is do you know what queso is Nick they don't know occasions they didn't know
01:00:21| what queso was so I was like you can get that like four blocks from your parents house I know they okay I mean I'm just saying it right they wouldn't go that bowl of melted delicious cheese which
01:00:34| man has that salsa mixed in it or some other things yeah but like if you're living life and accepting that you know I mean this isn't how to do it I guess it might be
01:00:43| you're quitting society in a way that you're not allowing things in so if you're if you're not allowing things in you're missing out on the opportunities of enjoyment that you just don't know
01:00:53| because you're so sheltered that you you don't know that you could be having a better life which is exactly what happens when people stay at a job and they don't quit it for something better
01:01:02| they don't take a chance they don't experience it and you if you quit on the right terms you can come back to the old job you grew your right well my dad's not gonna an offer from himself yeah but
01:01:14| I see what you're saying and I my rule of thumb anytime I talk about these things is that the blade probably has sharpness on both sides when I say that I mean someone who changes jobs every
01:01:27| two to four years will never know what my dad has with like he's worked at the same time for 40 years I mean in one in one hand that that sucks he doesn't understand other employees he
01:01:40| said we worked for another boss me worked for Mike and Joe but disk-like maybe he doesn't have to but on the other hand like we had a wall on our old thing of all the um like our
01:01:53| customers or customers for dozens of years like I know these people come in once a week when they die they get we print out their obituaries and we put them on the wall like I have a wall of
01:02:05| people who've died like it sounds morbid but it's also those are our friends to the point where I talk with other customers about them like I have a used to have a very personal relationship
01:02:23| with all these people like they were more than just customers they were friends I know it's time I think have you've been in a business for 40 years like everyone you deal with this kind of
01:02:35| a friend even our sales reps like we had a sales rep who was sick one week and he was coughing and everything and it was like hey can you call your order in and print it we're like in a problem Bart
01:02:45| you know Bart Bart Bart Braman so we deal with him the funny thing about him is Bart I'm not ready for the order can he call in like 10 minutes yes I'm problem he hang up he'd call in
01:03:01| timer and just call us like Jesus Christ so one day my dad was like he call like he called 38 min like it's his bar and anyway all you do is take our order he probably gets a percentage like whatever
01:03:11| we we deal with him for years so he's coughing he sounds like he's like yeah I'm feeling real sick lately so the next week he had to email us he's like I'm real sick I'll call can you
01:03:22| send your order in via email no problem a week later we called and we were trying to call Barney didn't answer his phone we found out he passed away of cancer huh no and like I don't know like
01:03:38| it's so weird like no like I'm not gonna get him to call back in 14 minutes at 59 seconds so I say call him 15 minutes he quit life he did and in a weird way it's just when you work in a place long
01:03:55| enough it becomes part of you yeah and you don't get that if you change jobs over fears you never grow roots I understand you you miss out on one way but you miss out on another
01:04:05| way the other way I mean it goes both ways there's yeah remorse on both sides right I think those sides have cons and pros obviously I saw this and probably like more than a dozen years ago when I
01:04:18| was in college some reason I sat down for lunch and there's an old woman who was eating lunch by herself and I decided to sit with her like I never did yeah
01:04:28| yeah what oh that's that's something I would do that's wild but if yours are and then like eventually our conversation turned to like she had like old yearbooks and like books of like
01:04:39| friends with headers no like she would say like she would look at this book and like it was almost like a face book and she would flip physical face book yeah physical face book and she would
01:04:51| flip through it and she would say that like almost every single person was dead in it because she was like she was like like she was like a grandma I don't know why she was doing there she's like the
01:05:01| spirit of Christmas past or something and it was weird yeah yeah hey we're like what were you sitting with and they really got the old lady they're like we have video
01:05:10| recording there was no one there it's a reminder though that like you're living life to experience it so if you understand the experience that you like you're currently in you should go out
01:05:23| and make new friends makes new experiences because that's really all we have so you should quit the experiences that you know even though they're comfortable and you like them like you
01:05:34| can always go back to them you can always try something new and see how it is a lot of people get set in a certain way or certain rhythm and they buy into the rhythm they buy into the knowing the
01:05:45| tedium of life because it's comfortable it's known you know it right yeah I agree with you and you don't know when your mom is coming so I don't want to end the episode on this I want to end it
01:05:56| on down notable notable quits yeah all right that's it all right so Vontae Davis cornerback for the Buffalo Bills you quit in the middle of the game did he
01:06:06| uh-huh halftime they even so they're playing the Chargers and I looked it up because it couldn't I don't know old he was I know he's been late thirty years old that's middle and a half time
01:06:17| I meant deleting right cuz they write for a quarterback quarterback it's a little but not like thirty al akkari is like thirty four is I keep two leaves propyl still playing like thirty eight
01:06:28| or something garbage like that so thirty-seven probably whatever it is but the fact that he he literally in half time in the middle of the game was like coaches like hey we're gonna do
01:06:39| press coverage I want to do more to Tampa two safeties high deep and he was just like coach I'm going home I'm gonna I'll be outside I'm just uh excuse me like I don't know that anyone's done
01:06:52| that in the NFL in the past 15-20 years I don't think so I seen that's try some when you talk about because most of those like sports figures they usually like they
01:07:03| essentially live half their lives as like key figures in sports and they retire or quit and they have like another half of their lifes live like most of them they do with it yeah it's
01:07:15| like John LeClair like started like a trucking company with Chris Terry and Diddy it's really true it's true it's very weird that I think that's awesome it's weird though because you need
01:07:24| something to do yeah there's nothing but ya know they could be part of the organization that they were formerly with or start something different which is just it seems like an average
01:07:38| lifestyle compared to what they had but maybe they like it right who knows maybe they're into wine like I know Gabe Schultz is making wines you know I mean like how funny is that yeah
01:07:47| by my one hmm so like he quit like that's theirs it's wild when an athlete quits um where I wanted to touch on before we finished up was like the the famous quits yeah the ones you see
01:08:03| online the ones I touched on in the intro where he's he's working the fryer is we're gonna fries or ever the boss is young it's like a few after you thank you uh now or like the Jerry Maguire
01:08:15| who's coming with me and grabs the fan I mean yeah like I mean people quit so these things go viral all the time you look online it's like someone made a
01:08:27| sign that says hey my boss didn't come in today it's like a handwritten letter so guess what we ain't closed and I'm f and quittin and it's like Bing and it's like on the
01:08:36| door of your favorite coffee shop and you're like why won't it open well now you know why I think it's there's an American dream part of that um I did one I saw one where it's like a tech guy who
01:08:48| worked who's like an IT guy for the company he wasn't in respect to he made a pop-up on everyone's computers it said designer you treat like shit has quit unexpectedly exclamation point
01:09:00| ah company employees cannot affect it click renegotiate discuss terms for a new contract click HR to find out how badly you fucked up I mean ignore HR or
01:09:11| renegotiate and you can click them this is the prompt like that it's clever that's good you didn't say the magic word someone wrote the resignation letter on a cake uh-huh fuck called yawn
01:09:23| let me say let me see which one I was hold on it was very similar fuck this shit on the top of the cake and they put it in the display I quit and it was put into the display so I don't know if
01:09:34| anyone found it for a couple days um you get people who quit on air like newscasters and so yeah I sleep I rip off all the wires they're attached to the huh I'm done this is bullshit
01:09:46| I can't stand this I can't stand this company I don't want to be here anymore and they're talking as I take off and they just quit on air the funniest ones to me are the ones where like menial
01:09:56| workers are they're the backbone of every business the physical one strike drivers a little bit so here this might be a Taco Bell I can't tell where this this is but the person who changed his
01:10:09| letters for the sign they wrote my boss can change his own goddamn sign I quit is gonna send someone else to do it let's be honest that's like the European taxi drivers who just decided just to
01:10:24| quit on the road so they blocked all the roads like what are you gonna do if there's like thousands of cars out there there's also a moot when I was in Spain there was a workers revolt there's like
01:10:38| a strike for everyone that worked in like all the small shops and it was literally the first day of vacation so we're going to the small shops to buy food like you here I'm like chanting and
01:10:49| they were like walking like through the alleyways and like the shops that were open they rolled down the steel doors as the protesters walked by and like we're just like what the hell's going on
01:11:00| because we had no idea and like when they were gone the shops would roll up like halfway elect lookout and they'd be like come on in and then like we'd walk in like broken down shop to like buy
01:11:11| like a few pieces of food and get out of there but I was weird I felt like you're gonna get like beaten like that's a form of quitting yeah there's definitely some interesting things about like you hear
01:11:21| stories all the time where someone so-and-so was working a full shift they were being real disrespectful to their waiter or the waitress or someone or the bartender and when the real pain in the
01:11:31| ass and the it's a Saturday night you know I'm working hard enough and it's like 8:00 p.m. he's like guess what fucking walk it out and guys walk out then what happens I
01:11:42| guess the manager can jump in and start serving the beers and all that crap I don't know hmm well they're gonna show you the other one got one more I had a few more but whatever like it's just
01:11:57| people quit at the most inopportune time for those oh it's peak yeah at the peak you gotta do you have to it's because showing off it's the the flame a little bit wanes you know I would that's so
01:12:09| like my company my old one was set up so that the atrium was available to all the floors above it so you could look down on the central space I wanted desperately for someone to just freak
01:12:20| out and just meltdown in the middle of that space and have people like on tears like there's a mezzanine that's looking down on them as they're just like cursing people out and like throwing
01:12:30| things and like tossing chairs Julie Frank you don't even do anything he will be going wild it would've been great kind of the American dream too
01:12:47| quit like that isn't it a little bit I think yeah the American dream is to not care anymore which is weird because I think it was something else before well it's not to not care it's to re stick it
01:12:59| to your job it doesn't care about you yeah which is the sentir about you you're you're a number they they cut your hours you were sick you're supposed to have a sick day they didn't supposed
01:13:11| to get your commission that you didn't and you're like at this place I want to stick it back to them it's like sticking it back to corporate America because corporate America is like taking over
01:13:21| it's like everything is corporate everything is a big business everything is a big company you know and they they got you by the balls you said it earlier where you have to climb this ladder very
01:13:29| slowly we have a plan for you when someone steps out and screws the company and grabs them by the balls it says cheap like we respect that that's a human condition we love saying fu to
01:13:46| corporate that's what we've always done so we always will do it's the most robotic in room I guess inhumane thing out there really like it's nice I mean to the human mm has a voting right as
01:13:58| like a human being has the power of a human being but it's not it just exists because it does that's a weird thing yeah it's also gross it's very anti human it's very anti pay people like I
01:14:14| mean it's it's made for one reason only the corporate identity it's to pay people as little as you can get as much production as you can and beat out the competition there's nothing about it
01:14:26| that's like hey let's just make all our employees happy let's do a good job hey folks feel all happy and have some fun folks jazz hands whoo I do a little recap
01:14:41| let's recap that bad boy up so we talked about the corporate ladder we talk about salary we talk about purchase for one okay time off raises health care try to work friends unemployment happy well we
01:14:53| talked about voluntary leave we talked about sometimes how the frame we frame a severance we talked about term forced resignation 50% the normal paycheck we talked about everything you
01:15:05| can imagine you talk about your resume time giving up what feels like failure being week job hopping your future mm-hm getting a little comfort instability getting some changes get some growth so
01:15:16| much being three folks healthcare construction manufacturing jobs that will always be in demand if we definitely discussed them yeah it's all about money location adaptability family
01:15:29| comfort and love baby get those advantages get those raises mmm gain some personal strengths and be confident yourself become financially independent I'm saying rock the world
01:15:40| give them the F's and the fingers how do you give it a finger by the way do you thumb out thumb in what do you do this is really how you give it no it's and it's okay I mean it's not that great lot
01:15:54| I do film out a lot because it like feels more Italian I don't know nothing you do like oh my god I got rocket wait you got a pinky out you'd even like it I love it so fuck you know I know it is a
01:16:08| shocker I think you have a small bit of words to my father there was my mother and Jesus we should work more during the daylight oh no that's not daylight anyone messed up daylight anyway I gotta
01:16:30| take that off the resume yeah I'll put back on Mike's folks for uh they can want us sometimes thanks for not quitting us thanks for not quitting folks we like it we like
01:16:46| you a lot quit your jobs tell you about to shove it on panderers full-time
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