Transcript of Episode 112 - Hope Uncertainty Happiness
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00:00:08| it comes a time in our lives were refined a thing that brings us true happiness happiness is something we strive for true joy things we find open things we hope to find in happiness so
00:00:24| what we want to do is take this on this journey here find out what makes us happy what gives us hope what crushes those feelings so I'm Dan and I'm Nick books for old friends
00:00:44| dissecting one topic at a time people technology media we've got it all covered intros with a problem each discussion here is a deep dive in or unique perspective taboo forbidden
00:00:55| subjects they're all on the chopping block baby we don't pander to popular opinion with Mike you can get a little bit dirty morning this podcast may contain mature language and sexual
00:01:06| content and is for entertainment purposes only so join us have a good time open up your earholes all right back another day another episode of the unpaid like with my soul Dan and me Nick
00:01:42| Oakes throwing the intro I never done this before I was slowly turning this as I spoke those words he was getting it felt more real or mineral yeah let me deliver yeah cuz I guess what we're
00:01:59| talking about is very abstract mm-hmm this episode would definitely not get cut yeah nah nothing concrete here guys this is what the people tune in to a podcast for something that doesn't have
00:02:13| to do with anything at all I had all folks so get any definitions I look at oil start with so this is really well certainty hope joy happiness and
00:02:27| laughter I think oh yeah so I get a quote okay hope is a good thing maybe the best of things and no good thing ever dies haha it's part of the quote any of you frame Shawshank Redemption
00:02:50| Sandi's quote mm-hmm where's he right that one in the letter at the end it's weird cuz I'm hearing it in Morgan Freeman voice so he done reading it yeah it's Ana letter okay yes so funny I
00:03:01| would have attributed the quote to him if easily a tribute that quote oh if he's reading yeah that is weird isn't it cuz it's written by a guy that didn't actually write it yeah
00:03:10| or say it I would say it out loud either that's so weird that's uh we found a loophole that's a Morgan say I wonder who the quotes by you know IMDB it's the quote it's like
00:03:23| letter the letter has all these votes letter as in from Andy Dufresne possibly yeah yeah for another cast member or the writer of the yeah I guess hmm Wow there's any key thing you want to touch
00:03:37| on I know through all your hope isn't real yeah happiness isn't a thing happiness isn't a thing and loss of happiness it's also not a thing so haha we're focused
00:03:51| we're not happy or we're not sad everything's totally totally the exact same every day so that's kind of what I wanted to talk about it's that I had a job interview and it's my things
00:04:05| no you did to there's a possibility that things change there's a routine in normal life that you get used to and the routine people get comfortable or they get bored so there's like two different
00:04:16| types of people who love routine or just get tired of it and happiness is really one of those ambiguous things where you're choosing between what you think might make you
00:04:26| happy grass is greener or you could be dooming yourself to have a shittier life you have no idea you're just jumping fleeting towards something if you change
00:04:38| if you change or you could stay still see and still be unhappy I'm gonna save us all sometimes at the end of the episode is that's going to be saying no matter what the f you do it's the way
00:04:51| you internalize everything that's happening around you that makes up your emotions there's nothing to do with the outside world so folks just learn to change your insides there that's what
00:05:03| we're gonna do at the end of a no I I would say the only constant thing is change right just embrace the change stay the same there's a lot of people who do the same route to work every day
00:05:13| he's stopping a coffee at the same place they do lunch at the same place every day they get the same paycheck they do everything the same and they're happy I think some of them I don't know how this
00:05:24| what baffles me is that I'll take different routes he'll be like I haven't been down this road in a while and just like I look at this guy I'm living on the edge by taking a right one minute
00:05:34| early and then quickly and running I can't do that all right this is this is literally a quiz because the guy came into my work today and I haven't seen him in a long
00:05:47| time I'm back at my old job I quit the other job so an old friend customer friend customer customer I don't call him frustum er a frustrated customer or you know a friend cuz my how customer a
00:06:02| frustum er frisky friend received four skier customer to someone I would get frisky with well anyway this gentleman came in and he I didn't realize he likes the TV shows I liked and stuff cuz then
00:06:16| he was like ah the Tom Cruise want where they predict the future like crimes and I was like yeah crime Oh cry me and we couldn't think of the name for like five straight minutes when we were both
00:06:26| talking about it and could you figure it out um when you on the spot for every detective nope no Tom Cruise Tom Cruise I think you thought Tom Cruise movie yeah and I'm an IRA Minority Report
00:06:40| you got it right away it soak us like eight minutes look it up online he's not a girlfriend crew crimes like precogs his Sunday I just started thinking yeah we cliches please say why balls his new
00:06:53| eyeball that's spoiler alert you know I don't ruin the mood for anyone yeah tell me where I was going with that is that damn I forget where I was going
00:07:05| you were best friends with your friend nummy well before that you're I don't know where you were going where were you going you distracted me so I don't know where I was going either
00:07:20| no you ruined the episode we have to turn I was gonna quit anyone would talk about what year they came out oh good mm I'm gonna say that was probably 2002 yeah it could be that was going with
00:07:36| three now I'll change my mics I think I was in high school maybe no mmm you're wrong it's set in 2050 for this 2002 house right I was pretty good forget it spider why how did look at this guy are
00:07:54| you one of those guys when did seven come out seven that came out in 1994 I always said 95 so I think or 97 no no nope you're right I can do this the whole episode Oh 95 yes
00:08:12| I said five or seven well I picked two so i'm like cheating they understand so I guess something Carol so this is part of happiness then bring it back it's the Delta it's the expectation that
00:08:23| you're setting and believing that you're joining to make a positive change or that you guessed correctly in the year huh that's what we're saying and we're gonna end up at we'll come back to this
00:08:31| exact thing is that if you're constantly constant you're maintaining something you're not getting sad your level yeah you're at a plateau content the only way to get me Pappy is to risk it content
00:08:43| and happy risk it I don't know about happy but it's not sad do you know I'm saying it's the awkwardness of trying to define what happiness is well I think happiness is when you take
00:08:56| a risk or make a change and it ends up better than what you thought are they hmm well in taking that risk you're also putting yourself at the risk for having
00:09:07| a worse time Yeah right yeah but in there is your own motivation will in energy yeah I guess a reward putting energy into things makes them better too
00:09:18| like if you played with a video game for a long time or watched a series for ten years only to watch it [ __ ] the bed at the end you know you can I actually don't think so I think series doing fine
00:09:28| and everyone who thinks it is it's like people were like no no I would have finished the entire eight seasons where I had no predictions that held up because it's out of control wild and
00:09:37| made me feel crazy weird and mad and I wanted a thirteen-year-old to choke to death ended it differently fair to say you know I'm saying yes so I think for them
00:09:48| to do this this way is fine okay let's not get into that sure guess so I think series we're talking about guess what series actually how funny of a bit if I'm defending the
00:09:59| show and the very were literally recording this right before the last episode right mm-hm so the last episode it could be like the biggest pile of [ __ ] ever yeah literally best and I'm
00:10:09| here defending a regular mic good day hope we're gonna I hope it's a great thing amazing odds are so as well can you can we actually have some Wikipedia definitions for three words sure I'm
00:10:26| happy to insert you want to know whoa got it actually Wikipedia is have a feeling of happiness this is not Wikipedia its parent like dopamine levels and like
00:10:36| cortisol and everything that makes you de-stress makes you happy euphoric the feeling is actually a chemical response to what you believe to be a positive response positive input so happiness is
00:10:48| a chemical response that's what I believe so happiness is uses in the context of mental or emotional state including positive or Pleasant emotions ranging from
00:10:59| contentment to intense joy it is also used in context of life satisfaction subjective well-being eudaimonia sounds like euphoria so we'll go with like a euphoric type thing human
00:11:13| flourishing or prosperity a blessedness eudaimonia eudaimonia and well-being and well-being okay but can you also look up hope those are like two of the most biggest
00:11:31| abstractness things and I didn't do any I don't know how yeah hope is an optimistic state of mind that is based on an expectation of positive outcomes with respect to events and circumstances
00:11:43| in one's life or the world at large Expo incidence is so is hope realistic is that what the kono said to cherish desire with anticipation it seems like it's controllable through the human mind
00:11:57| how much you hope but I mean it's also what's weird is that it seems like it has to be realistic to be hope but you can't hope you two corns for rainbow poops and you're magically turned into a
00:12:07| golden fairy dust and that you have a billion dollars it seemed limited by the possibilities that you believe are pop yes because of what it what yes exactly so what it said in the thing with
00:12:18| something like limitations of either your own life or society's expectations so I had this one from a co-worker she I don't know something happened to her but then she was in the details dude she got
00:12:32| beat by her husband she she had I really don't know really dark I'm not trying to like really like no it's like something something bad that she's like physically not well eat her husband she she's
00:12:45| pretty badass but like she said something to the fight like a donut that so this is religious and people probably beat me down but she said something the effect of like we're here because a guy
00:12:55| put us here and then like I was like okay like that's that's not that doesn't bother me and then like she said something too like he can do with us what He wills
00:13:04| I was like okay like whatever you want to believe and then she said like if we're happy we're meant to be happy if we're sad were meant to be sad and I was like we should yeah and then it's pretty
00:13:16| much like just literally needed an extension of what God wants you to do that is what's the point of anything you think he wants me be happy here it's like okay he wants me to be sad here
00:13:26| okay well what does he want you to do you I'm just curious here yeah what part of this is your your act yes more in the middle and for this run right or are you just watching this so that's another
00:13:37| thing it's weird if you have faith you might be content because your belief is that oh you yeah you believe that you're hopeful because you're taking care of but it's also still lusion 'el and like
00:13:50| you have no control so it's also pretty scary to me because I want control of my own life well there's two kinds of people ones who want control and ones who go wild I mean I we all that's
00:14:05| document it that's their own type a Type B type things in fact that's probably where we differ the most right then you're like a wild one are you trying to oh my god dude I just let like happen do
00:14:18| you from just the injuries I became this not hedonistic though you're not like chasing your desires he's just letting it happen your movie has exactly I just like I'm going with the river dude a
00:14:31| hundred percent you would freak out my life to my shoes you'd be like oh my god I don't know what how does he oh my god like I think this is where we differ the most in that
00:14:43| respect so part of this is like in certain conversations where I don't know people at all larger groups and I want to say something I get in my head and I'm like I got to think of something I
00:14:54| got a think to think like but I started thinking about what I need to think about which is thinking about something and I'm just like blanking thinking about thinking about yeah I'm thinking
00:15:03| about thinking about something like that's what I'm thinking about say I'm not in the moment at that point when I'm like trying too hard you can't turn your brain off you can when you get stuck in
00:15:13| a loop sometimes and that's exactly where I was to be like think of some good things good Emma's like trying to think of thinking to see your job interview I
00:15:22| think that's where we got derailed yeah so they like when we talk about the job interview sure you brought it up for a reason happiness hope yeah because there's a lot of possibilities a lot
00:15:35| change there change discontent and then there's a financial aspect that probably doesn't factor into it for me they're like the money doesn't feel like it's money unless it's leaving my hands or
00:15:46| coming into my hands the wrong way because I'm not trying to undercut you on the podcast but you bring it up a lot in your text to me that's what makes this much or this what makes us much so
00:15:55| even if it doesn't run your life you do think about in fact more than anything you probably try and game it like in a game when you have video game where you get the most reward for the most the
00:16:06| least action yeah I'm gonna stop by all my money so that I can get out of the whole rat race faster so that I can then live whatever life is posted is left after that sure shell of a man gives up
00:16:19| his soul and oh you're not giving me I'll give you credit you're not giving up your soul yeah like yeah trying to game the system to level up faster yeah does everything come back to video games
00:16:36| I guess for me it does I think I learned a lot through video games about myself that like different situations that you're faced with you'll never face the situations that much in real life so
00:16:50| hold on my son plays video games he's way too young for them but he plays them he's gonna be a gamer our video games gonna shape his ideas about the world like in the way they yours are or did
00:17:02| you learn about yourself through video games like were you always trying to save coins and level up or it is saving coins and leveling up as a youth to make you want to do that as an adult
00:17:13| that's what coins lots of coins no um have you ever felt the game change your mindset like it would it got into your brain yeah what remains of Edith Finch did you
00:17:27| play that one event I did not be in my friends there's a simulator where it's a first-person shooter but like a casual it's called casual or walking simulator
00:17:38| there's no shooting you can't die you don't have to complete the tasks it puts in front of you an event it's like a puzzle kind of yeah I can you mean into it it's you're gonna ruin everything
00:17:48| fish no I don't care go play it like you're chopping fish at plan uh-huh and you have to control your left hand and your right hand you hold the fish or you chop it with the right feeling and you
00:17:59| have to do this over and over a thousand times so you do it ten times and your character starts pretending he's playing a video game while he's doing it and you do this now you can move the fish but
00:18:11| you can also move your little character while you're moving this so I'm moving this and this and I'm moving a character will eventually his imagination grows so strong that I'm driving this boat down
00:18:21| this beautiful river and I'm still cutting fish heads but it's taking up less and less of the screen and the the things going down different paths I can hear cheering and there's like this
00:18:32| beautiful music and I'm playing like an RPG while I'm cutting off fish heads and it's talking this is taking place over weeks and months and like my character is keep cutting fish heads off at its
00:18:42| repetitive motion I keep doing it with is I need to keep doing it with my fingers but like my other fingers like this finger of this bigger are controlling all the other stuff and it's
00:18:51| taking up more and more room and becoming more and more graphic and more awesome and like taking up more of the screen it's getting colorful and the music's getting louder and I can hear
00:19:00| less than the fish chopping to the point where it's like I don't even see the fish anymore but I have to keep doing the emotion because I can see the background on the fish and I know I have
00:19:10| to keep cutting but I'm walking down and people are cheering for me I'm a king and they're there blowing trumpets and stuff and all this crazy stuff happens and there's like confetti everywhere and
00:19:22| I'm in a magical land and I'm a king of a prince and I'm wandering around and everyone's bowing to me and I'm doing all this while I'm still cutting fish heads very tiny in the background of the
00:19:33| whole game and I walk and I'm going up to receive my crown and it occurs to me as you're going it's a chopper and that in real life your character actually puts his
00:19:45| head on the blade one time and laps off his own head so he commits suicide in the game while he's dreaming of something yeah fantastical yeah and it's the wildest
00:20:00| thing because it made me realize that like I don't know that that was that sad it was but it was just monotonous his life was ruined he was in the drugs he was in rehab a bunch of times he no real
00:20:15| life no girlfriends no anything so this is his only job and his imagination is the only thing cared about well he created this grand world with real music real people and real colors and real
00:20:25| vivid imagery and eventually they were crowding him King and to claim his throne he kind of puts his head on like where the crown was and I don't know if he chops his own head or it just gets
00:20:37| chopped off it's just emphasized that he dies crazy and it's one fell swoop move boom he's done and he died happy I think or he ended happy like he will never be sad again he won't be a burnout anymore
00:20:53| he's not going home and coming back to the fish plant anymore he's not making minimum wage he's not living he lives in his parents house in one of the rooms and what remains of Edith Finch and it's
00:21:03| just one small part of the game it's I'm just and pounding him one part that really touched a nerve gotcha and it was just so cool but like weird and sad and I was like is that happiness
00:21:16| I mean this person had no chance to turn around their life I think he's like a 35 year old burnout who lives at home and works with the fish cutting plant I mean I have no idea so that that makes me
00:21:28| think of I'm gonna throw out like four things I probably hit them slowly well I'll bet ah good music Glenn oh nice Hannah long music video we'll come back to that like xanax harder drugs and then
00:21:41| like a happiness is there a limit does it get shifted based on how you live or like what you put in your body and do people feel happiness or sadness alright go we're going to war or less
00:21:51| intensely so there's like five things there a helmet so what's the item they're selling I think it's called bliss and one of the versions I know one there's like let's
00:22:06| Reika goggles you put on and you see the world it's a happy place awesome but it's like something you can buy from a store yeah mass-produced you can buy bliss everyone
00:22:15| has to Bible is 999 it comes in a box it's goggles it makes the world look beautiful oh and it's the best-selling thing in the world everyone's buying everyone splits right
00:22:25| mm-hmm everyone's doing it and everyone's very entertained by these goggles that are stuck in these goggles and everyone's just walking around with goggles on because bliss they don't lie
00:22:34| bro one wants it everyone has it consume it boom buy it makes you happy but the one guy keeps taking off his goggles and like the world around him still a brand yep it's very drab there's no color
00:22:47| but this is the real world he's looking at he's trying to build his own version of bliss he was without the goggles without a machine yeah and then if you remember what he sees off in the
00:22:56| distance the one of those spinny very yeah yeah actually I don't even know what that childhood did you have one I think they outlawed by the time we were here I think you know people were
00:23:10| that if you spin it fast enough oh god yeah yeah the things that and this is so funny we're gonna pockets it won't be seen for like maybe years who knows it's like a circle thing that's on
00:23:22| the biscuits roundabouts I hope they call it may be a roundabout sure that sounds about right merry-go-round in America regular metal art so you can hold on to so yeah a
00:23:30| bunch of kids we get on and spin it as I couldn't centrifugal force throws you off so available it picks up some yeah I don't haven't seen those like that version of it maybe the metal ones are
00:23:43| now transformed into a plastic something or other that makes it so you can't get whacked by a pole and there's probably a speed limit be a ball bearings or whatever in the thing yeah limit so he
00:23:52| sees that off in the distance because he's trying to emulate what he felt in his childhood right yes and I think he was a kid he creates the invention that is better than whatever is existing
00:24:03| oh we movie skipped one part remember where he goes to work because everyone works at a factory ironically he's making goggles or something yeah and while you worked
00:24:12| there you can put them all into this boss is yelling at him and hideous work and he's like what's up and this Wallace is like huh and the Bliss goggles it's like it's not real life you're you're
00:24:24| consuming something to make you think you're happy yeah so eventually he makes his own version and then he's the boss yelling down at people and he I think he looks back on his own life and says like
00:24:35| the things I was chasing were not true happiness of things yeah things is it one so that's also an analog for drugs it's like people doing it's hard drugs like things that are will destroy your
00:24:49| brain well chasing money - it's kind of anything that you chase I guess yeah you can train your normal pathways to be a certain way so that you're stuck doing that thing and not ever be able to break
00:25:02| out of your routine addiction yes money online shopping booze partying up having sex with strangers like you can do almost anything that brings you physical pleasure I think as long as it derives
00:25:16| you physical pleasure you can tie it to your your happiness neurons mm-hmm that make sense it does there was an offshoot - ever had forgot where I was going I did it
00:25:30| drugged you're going towards drugs the one I know no it was um so that's one thing I was like worried about so I'm going after a job for money and it's gonna be so like how much time do you
00:25:40| think it takes for you to become indoctrinated into whatever you're doing like there's a time period where like video games they can be very impactful because you're fully in it but like a
00:25:51| job you're not fully in it but it can still essentially brainwash you so I'm worried that after X number of years I'll be brainwashed a certain way and then I won't be able to some go back and
00:26:01| be happy like I was a kid how many hours in a week at a job or in general in general what's 24 times 7 seems like 90 no 140 something well it's 24 times seven well I did not
00:26:20| type that correctly 186 or 68 but what no no no - the sleeping time what's sleeping time from there roughly hours a night to people so say wake full-time is 16 hours a day save
00:26:41| one - well I'll just okay all right - - would say like 50 hours a week probably including traveling and ready and all [ __ ] okay so you have 62 hours of free time quote
00:26:57| unquote read do whatever the hell you want whether I mean you have to mow your lawn or do your laundry at some point yeah I would say half of that is taken up by monotonous stuff routine stuff
00:27:07| what's that leave you with the head like doesn't it I do we have a thirty hours that even seems high and then think of this 40 hours of work well I already subtracted out 40 oh did you you did the
00:27:22| work okay yeah well then no no it doesn't matter we subtracted it out 40 hours of work 30 ish hours to do whatever the hell you want you know this is Chronos first Kairos it is hell is it
00:27:39| Chronos is the quantity of time and Kairos is the quality of time okay okay thank you every time what like religious retreats it's or nice Anna Anna sounds like whose
00:27:50| Chrono Trigger Kona or the trigger time yes so quality of time versus quantity of time so if you're trying to buy a quantity of time to make it more qualifications you think you can live a
00:28:15| better life I don't know there are people doing jobs that they love and they likewise there are people out there that I was a stat for the number of people on medications
00:28:29| like a xanax or something that makes you not it takes the edge off it makes you generally happy I guess mood altering drugs like there's a an astounding number of people that are taking them I
00:28:42| think that I pour like on a plane trip or whatever yeah don't you like it I felt like I was asleep and awake at the same time for just a long period of time one in six Americans apparently 16% so
00:28:58| like there are people there that are probably you know that if they didn't have the drug they'd be immensely upset so like I guess other people see them as like maybe they're playing well-regarded
00:29:08| aren't playing or they're like surprised that they can do a certain day I don't think you can be exciting more funny while you're on a drug like that you think like we're trying to apply a class
00:29:21| of people like a certain type like to like taking the drug like if you take the drug no I mean it when I took it like for my plane trip I couldn't I don't even remember it really I me
00:29:34| always just like sitting there or something or reading a book and not really remembering any of the words read on the page like I think where you read the whole book word-for-word then you
00:29:43| don't remember a single word you read like go back over because how I felt yeah so how much time is like a knee-slapper like something that really gets you and
00:29:53| you just like it like a dark humor joke that you never thought of before that just like how much like I could do but like one of those a month and I'd probably be happy like if that was my
00:30:03| rate I think I'd be good I guess among one that just like pound daddy's like just think about that how's it going like if you have like is I don't think that other people like have like
00:30:20| knee-slapper reactions to things like not like some people like laugh so hard you cry yeah exactly I love that oh my god like am I the exact ah cuz I sent it to my friend
00:30:33| Dan and understand the other Dan like two days ago or of it and I might not be able to repeat it in the podcast it doesn't matter if it was a funniest damn thing I ever heard
00:30:46| so I can tell my story okay please do so I was in that interview and I did really well and there are bunch of people like five people around a table and they all seem to be pretty happy like with my
00:31:00| answers and towards the end of it I was confident usually I'm overthinking things and like I get anxiety I didn't have any anxiety and usually when I'm anxious my hands sweat or they're like
00:31:17| clammy or cold but they weren't so I say oh thank you for all your time and I'm getting ready to leave I shake the first guy's hand he's like okay thank you Dan and I shake the next guy's hand yeah
00:31:29| yeah third guy's hand and then the fourth guy I go to shake his hand and he's like the guy that's gonna maybe potentially hire me his hand was really sweaty and clammy hell yeah I was like
00:31:41| well why like why is that guy's hand clammy don't read too much into it because some people are naturally sweaty yeah and the other thing is like sometimes have you ever been in a
00:31:53| situation where like like once or twice a year my hands peel I don't know if you can see on the podcast or whatever it's I has to do with the change of seasons and my allergies I guess but it's my
00:32:05| hands well literally all the skin will peel from them little by little so it looks like I have eczema or whatever maybe it is excellent but I only get it maybe twice a year I think I get it in
00:32:15| winter I feel like the tiny like a Deadpool the tiny hand grows out of yeah I can't just sheds the the bigger hand but it happened this week when I did my job interview and I was like shape you
00:32:29| guys look weird if I don't so like if I touch my hand I feel like sandpaper because all those dead skin it's like doing its thing you know like hey how's it going I don't want to be like listen
00:32:38| this only happens once a year so when I'm here is to change the seasons I can you get it all that you seem like a weirdo so I mean I find it too weird when something like once in a while were
00:32:50| a shirt that makes me sweat more when you lift up your arms and then Spiti what can you do you imagine if you did that when you met an attractive girl or something and she's like but it's
00:33:00| it's literally the shirt and you can't explain that you're like no no this is this man explain guy it's the shirt and they eat you're like yeah okay buddy it's the shirt and you're like oh no
00:33:12| it's really the shirt you bastard I'm gonna prove you wrong and you take pictures of your shirt every day and send it to them and threatening and maybe you take a real picture in the
00:33:21| Xerox it sent over their house address everyday boom boom they didn't even hire you you're just sending them not me this is not me so this fits in perfectly so I shook that guy's hand yeah I shook that
00:33:38| guy's hand and my hand was soaking wet and then there's five people the fifth person was an attractive woman and I was like she's gonna think that I have sweaty hands now he shook someone sweaty
00:33:51| hand it was like yeah see there's weird things going on I split second I was like do I wipe my hand like that would be inappropriate
00:34:04| wouldn't it like the guy would see that I did I shook all their hands and I was like I want to say I'm not like if you did like um try your hand no like um so chance you know no quick moves like oh
00:34:21| thank you so much oh my god and then you like like you just touched your shirt like a magician you mean but your wife he wipes the sweat off with his right hand while moving it yeah the one who's
00:34:31| left like in slow-mo it looked like this you'd be like thanks new boss oh hey how are you but in like in real motion bielagus thanks a lot I really appreciate it like we just touch
00:34:42| yourself and then kept telling my boss some of that I said I did not I took her ham and it's wet in nor huh I wonder if she's thinking about that now determining whether to offer me the job
00:34:53| like you saying like it's right now she's like Oh hire so many so this isn't related but I have to bring it up yeah at my old job there was a new guy and he was like really awkward
00:35:08| and he was a reddit dude like yeah mule you just know he's a reddit dude he asked me like within five minutes if I knew I read it was no I don't have no need to ask people I know I know
00:35:20| anyway he's like five years younger than us hey you know and then like I was trying to show him around to like show him how to talk to customers and the products and stuff and he would
00:35:30| interject himself and don't like the conversations and I was like he's wrong or am I gonna stop but I think he's wrong I'm gonna stop no I'm like don't try and upsell this I don't they don't
00:35:40| want this but like stuff like that oh my god this guy hate him and it's so awesome he had tiny hands Superman baby began Trump pants baby baby hands when I went
00:35:52| to shake his hand goodbye it was like I wrap my whole hand around his hand and shook it nothing what are you it's like this because we do the double hand grasp to make it feel like a real hand is
00:36:07| shaking you lays it in there I brought it up but like a little stuff like handshakes that we're just talking about like those are deal-breakers not deal breaks I mean in a way they don't matter
00:36:21| but they do so it messes with our happiness try to bring it back oh really yeah there's no expectation is there as a desire to present yourself in a certain way I'm wringing it back I
00:36:36| really am but honestly that's what the I remember those are joke I live that so long oh who is the dark jokes it's not mine Pike is called come to assist the did
00:36:53| you say the last time I think he did with the mitten I don't know Mitch okay no no okay they asked if it's illegal this is not my joke at all or anything do you got a
00:37:09| neighbor it's real creepy and you have a kid and the neighbor hires a [ __ ] prostitute like someone a small a smaller person we have four-foot person haha dresses
00:37:19| them up like your son business of you and your family that's illegal okay you'd have to fight invite you over for drinks and they need be he's be inside his lair this [ __ ]
00:37:44| friend like my child I didn't touch anyone what is the precedent there though if you have like a an open window and you're naked inside your own house is
00:37:53| that are you a sex offender by being naked in your own house that other people can see you through your if you open your windows I think so if you have no blinds peeper not the Tom I could see
00:38:16| like if someone if someone was trying to like label you as a sex offender they'd be like holding a child up to your window look at them and you're like I'm changing here and then it's like the
00:38:27| police bust in they're like what are you doing note to self this pervert has no clothes on while the babies outside the window it's a second-floor window have the baby
00:38:41| get up there note to self resisting arrest peeping tom versus a dude in public so apparently it hinges on intent early state the state if you make strong eye contact and lick your lips your
00:39:00| flick up in trouble you lick your lips is awkwardly so I would throw up through that guy's window I would throw keep Jack and ooze in a glass and that penis
00:39:25| Oh hope you're not throwing break in their pcs 6:47 a penal code penal code where our favorite codes here only on painters hmm back to happiness it makes us happy huh
00:39:48| is it like that's another thing as making any sense it's the things that are so crude I go out of like Louie CK Jukes like a lot of Lucy Kay jokes are like so
00:39:56| [ __ ] up that they're funny they're funny it's a weird sort of dark humor that also makes the sun-eater that explained that we make fun of his jokes all the
00:40:07| time make fun of him all the time but he said a joke is your expectation egg and where the joke ends up z that's called the Delta I seem out of funny the joke is I was always like dude this guy's a
00:40:22| freaking joke maybe a little bit though right yeah where it goes which direction is are we coming back to change B and Delta hmm what do you think about mood-altering drugs seems like like
00:40:44| doing it for children like children who are like ADHD they try to like give them Ritalin or something to calm them down how old I mean we're talking like four or like twelve they they diagnosed them
00:40:57| and like five or six and I like try to get you to give them medication I have a problem with that some people probably hate it that's too young yeah our kids who totally needed it by though like I
00:41:12| see the relatives of friends of relatives that are like I'm like that kid needs of God what if I knock this over don't knock it over there knocking it over and you're
00:41:28| like it your kid but it's not a discipline thing like they're not no no there's no way that correct it no and they're gonna knock that thing over in your house so do you think so like
00:41:41| through growing becoming an adult what age you're supposed to mnsure at 25 is like when you're like peak adulthood or something right like you finally cemented everything together right
00:41:54| because you're talking pre-puberty everything's gonna change with puberty yeah and um you're still kind of growing into your body and you do your when you physically stop growth they say 25 said
00:42:05| the number I know I know pthey peak athleticism was 22 or something splitting hairs yep so like my thing is that if you force a kid to be on a certain drug are
00:42:22| you stealing those like the the highs and lows from them so they can't learn from it are you rewiring their brain knows I don't know that that kid would learn from the highs and lows I don't
00:42:33| know that they wouldn't I'm not saying that I'm just saying I don't know that we're stealing their learning force maybe we're selling their time I don't know you're pushing off their
00:42:43| development maybe if you're never stressed how do you deal with stress once you take away the drug that prevents you from feeling stressed right well this is a thing going on
00:42:54| dependency yeah you're gonna need that otherwise you're gonna start basing stress how do you deal with those things huh well their effort what do you do when you have no attention to deficit
00:43:06| this with ADHD that I don't know but I don't know that you can cure it so like saying hey this ADHD kid at age eight we put him on drugs for four years and then we introduced him to a new stimulus
00:43:29| without his drugs why did he do he failed I don't that kid without the drugs from 8 to 12 and would it end up any different at 12 we introduced them to a new stimulus
00:43:41| same result like do you know to me I wonder if there's a study on twins that does exactly this we have to look into them someone drugged some wolf drug yeah it would be interesting
00:43:54| it's also kind of weird in the way in it like a that there's a certain group of people that are less than us and you would do tests on them but you're a scientist yes I also think that people
00:44:05| feel emotions very differently like the high side open restlessly what's who that I don't know German the German bad guy signed this are you talking about like girls girls
00:44:18| Goebbels ginger balls that was he did a lot of tests on twins do you know that yeah they love twins cuz twins are like the perfect thing to test it's like yeah because they have the same genes so the
00:44:29| nature or nurture anyway we're gonna do that probably at the end of the episode to happiness versus somebody said like what somebody was talking about I don't know if this I'll just talk about anyway
00:44:41| so there's like the genetic make up with somebody dictates the nurture part of it or knit the nature part of it rather and they said that Komodo dragons like when they are laid the mother runs away and
00:44:54| doesn't come back because she will cannibalize the egg so when that egg hatches the Komodo dragon doesn't have any guidance whatsoever they have to figure out everything by themselves one
00:45:05| of those weird things where it's like being their genetic code it like tells them how to hunt and eat and feed milk no offense I was singing the CEO day I was watching Birds picket worms in the
00:45:15| ground I was like what if a purpose is like I want to go on the concrete and flip my legs on it and if my legs as hard as I kind of like concrete because they've never seen him like I won't be
00:45:26| oh yeah Bieber legs on the ground as hard as I could and they're like this is cool this is cool this is cool next three days later they were dead of starvation
00:45:34| because that's all they did like they didn't have you to tell mass what are you doing but no one would tell that bird otherwise right I wouldn't dumbass
00:45:47| like me just flapping his feet as hard as you can on the concrete this is the plot to Happy Feet but no one tells the birds what to do like you can actually feel it
00:46:07| so are we dove into the end but are we naturally designed to keep moving are we are we well like this is actually like we're the blight right because we're trying to do something and progress
00:46:20| something but while we're doing it we're constantly consuming and destroying things I think I'm different I don't think most people think about that and oh also that your cotton thinker and
00:46:32| look thinker so think I'm different girl also they like the bittersweet moments and like the like I don't know that many people like rain but I love rain like things that mostly people feel sad about
00:46:44| I'm like it's an experience it's kind of like epicurean or you're just like I want to absorb experiences even though though even though they might be terrible like make me feel bad it's like
00:46:54| that's the sweet is never a sweet without the sour vanilla sky' these and bakes thank you very much yeah sweet is never sweet without the sour your taste buds only ever had sweet things for
00:47:09| their entire lives if you only ate the same thing for the your entire life if you only experienced the same happiness your entire life it wouldn't feel happy since we talked about Delta a lot
00:47:23| weirdly enough and we're coming back to it so we touched on us in the lottery episode people who win the lottery can never achieve higher - Matt I mean the highest high is winning that lottery so
00:47:42| then if you buy your Porsche if you buy your fancy house you buy a skateboard here's a computer to buy there's no sound system to buy any of all the newest stuff well if you buy the new
00:47:55| shoes I don't know so that's a materialistic funked sure you're pointing up that I was actually gonna say like astronauts astronauts trained to be the best in their field and they
00:48:07| go up there and they execute but there's a certain time frame where you're too old to be an astronaut so what do you do do you've achieved something that like almost nobody ever achieves and you've
00:48:19| trained for it for years what's the one who's always tweeting and everything is that Glenn or oh that's a commander what's H Dana as a had Pat Lee had [ __ ] sure regardless what are they
00:48:37| doing like now that they're not doing it anymore tweeting but like what like I said smells like suicide means or like are they like check out this bad field stars Hadfield that's cool Canadian guy
00:48:51| he's the one who's very popular he's very well-spoken so like I don't know I know Canadians are yeah thank you so I believe that that they're astronauts I know some astronauts
00:49:05| personally and they just kind of exist you know they try to invent things they have like a I think there's actually a podcast of an astronaut that like has a bunch of random [ __ ] in his garage and
00:49:15| he tries to like invent something and he also sits down and like talks to other astronauts so he spends his time trying to like I guess extract what he experienced and then share with others
00:49:27| but no one else can experience that true with them can you experience the fantasy of a book if someone writes a book about something that doesn't I don't I didn't carry a sword and go on horseback and
00:49:40| cut down you know the Dothraki yeah sure I want to talk about well what's happening is there it's the change in your ordinary life from this fantasy
00:49:58| life why does fantasy make you happy because of the Delta maybe it's teaching you new things like it's like not that it's actually
00:50:07| possible but it's like a feeling of beyond experience they do this I mean you're never going to carry a sword you're no we're gonna go into battle you're gonna kill and work and you're
00:50:17| never gonna get rewarded by an elf queen Galadriel or whatever do you know what I mean yeah I feel like each of these things is a pretty big Delta from your life that's
00:50:26| huge in fact but the characters in a fantasy novel have to be you have to resonate with you you have to be related like you have to relate to them in such a way that you feel like you can be a
00:50:38| piece of them there are certain fantasy movies in Lord of the Rings and maybe and the other one Bobbitt that suck because I don't know you're like oh the movies yeah the movies from a book
00:50:53| perspective they were actually really good hobbits were like the humans of the other world they didn't have special powers they were looked down on then hairy feet they kind of sucked but they
00:51:03| ended up being the hardiest hmm of all the species that's why I'm Bilbo and um dildo say head beware you're thinking about paintings for sure though were the only ones who could carry the ring
00:51:20| because all the other species if they put on the ring they would kind of get turned right away yeah it's weird that the hobbit who had no powers and just hairy feet and would never go to battle
00:51:29| it was like the hardiest creature and it was like they were hard-working kind of they were shorter everyone kind of laughed at them and thought they were a joke but it they were stronger than the
00:51:39| others in resisting magic and it's like whoa that's kind of cool okay if you introduce out of them like their normal jamokes but there they got powers that's a Klingon powers but
00:51:51| they're stronger than all these other strong-willed two words and abstract feeling it was kind of cool I think that made them more relatable in a book sense I don't know the catch had in the enough
00:52:03| movies but of you I volunteer ever ever watched a movie where they introduced a character and killed them immediately like you think of one Bambi
00:52:15| there's a familial relationship though I know but that that pulls on your mother leaf or some southern son nerdly I don't know what you'd call it no I mean I so I didn't see baby since I
00:52:29| had a kid and watch baby and the best sad cuz there's the mom dies and beginning right right away she's friggin shot yeah but you know the relationship there so it's like your own
00:52:39| mom dying so it pulls on something you already you know but it's not like it's a character with no connection whatsoever if you make a connection somehow you're gonna make a connection
00:52:50| that's exactly what I'm talking about because you have to relate to the characters in a fantasy novel or movie in order to feel like you're there that piece of you that's why Marvel bring you
00:53:04| together in like end game or infinity war they're pulling on all the elements of a character to make you feel different pieces of yourself in this compares with your spoiler talkity and
00:53:15| uncomfortable do you want to touch on anything else for the audience that would go over my head and wouldn't spoil it for me there were moments in that both movies
00:53:28| that actually got to me or surprisingly you've got you've seen it no but I just keep seeing pictures of bath or I'm like what is that they're ruining your happiness for me and people like to
00:53:38| shush it on your happiness so that shun frood where you see somebody cheating and embroider [ __ ] in Freud is that was Shin true achieving for it I don't know I don't know I know you're talking about
00:53:48| well here's my thing I've seen a picture of fat that Thor there's like t-shirts being made for it's inevitable yeah inevitability I mean it's knowing that that Thor
00:54:01| exists or existed or Cody's not necessarily going to ruin it for you but a good if someone showed you the last frames of the movie wait it's at the end of the movie that
00:54:14| does change things and that he becomes fat he becomes fat he has to eat one of the characters in order to survive stop now you try it the tracks is hell covering the tracks like hey you know
00:54:26| the funniest thing the characters always do in a movie where they're hiding from the law or right in the back and six of my right no it's going with covering our tracks and they would use a big branch
00:54:38| to wipe out their little presents though now wouldn't work in like hearts know like thing about that you really dammit we need a shovel nothing like a snow war did we need like
00:54:50| two shovels and two snow blowers and a blower let's just melt the snow leave it open are more obvious track a path so yeah yeah the melted path anyway guy no I'm just talking about how it has to be
00:55:07| relatable and there are moments that were relatable in a surprising way in a realistic way even though it was a fantasy world it's strange how like you can you can feel something that's
00:55:19| obviously happiness and joy through a medium that doesn't really it doesn't exist it's not a real thing so people can be like Edith Finch they could believe they're somewhere else and be
00:55:36| extremely happy I could I could see people let have no stress in our life but they leave it what I would consider a shitty life but they're very happy doing it I
00:55:45| think they're on drugs maybe they're not like but somehow maybe people are wired differently to feel happiness like all the time like you felt happiness all the time would you know it or that just be
00:55:59| you you'd just be a personality it status quo right will that become normal for people just like constantly amping it up now they'd be happy all the time I mean you can then it's not happiness
00:56:14| need the peaks for the valleys anyone who doesn't have a kid I always say this to them like I'm like I don't have a kid dude it's crazy and you're like what do you mean I'm like yeah that's crazy
00:56:27| everybody says everyone has a kid it's like it's crazy it's like oh you saw your time you're doing that constantly doing stuff you're gonna get poop in your face and then your eyeballs yeah
00:56:36| because I put it this way you're gonna [ __ ] anyway without a kid is like this it's like whoa Morgan just do whoa this like oh I gotta do this oh my god oh that's okay when you have a kid it's
00:56:49| like way different it's like this Wow I'm sleep-deprived and I can't get to work in time that oh my god the kid [ __ ] all over the diaper and leaked out the back and oh my god I got in the car
00:57:00| sneak can you watch a car see I know the cloth is removable I didn't ask if it's remove ways I can you wash the car seat it's covered in poop and they're like well where's the kid you're like oh it's
00:57:11| taken out Jesus Christ hold on give me a minute and the other kid touching the poop the other food and you're screaming and the whole time you have a hernia and you're
00:57:24| trying to pick one up no no one hurts and you're like you're getting a phone calling you look really oh it's the interview place honey you guys think both the goddamn kids cover
00:57:32| both your goddamn mouth I have to take this call and you're screaming at your significant other and you got eight things going on and the whole time you're like Jesus Christ we
00:57:42| have a dog Danny one walk the dog he's [ __ ] in the house the dog [ __ ] and ass are you kidding me he [ __ ] in the house just like the kid [ __ ] in the car seat let's
00:57:50| just honey are you mature everywhere and you're doing this over like a five-minute span where your life couldn't get any worse it's the worst
00:58:00| thing in the world anyone who doesn't have a kid has no idea you're sleep-deprived you can't turn it off it's the lowest low you don't get lower than that but my kid today like he was
00:58:15| watching a movie and he wanted he hands me a lay down and I was like what do you want dude and he just wanted to lay down on me to put his arms over me to put his head down and watch the movie puke all
00:58:25| over your arse - no no he just literally wanted to lean against me - one movie and he didn't say I love you or anything which he does sometimes but like this I was like this is everything
00:58:39| he's like sit here dad I wanna watch movie and I'm like okay I love you my heart was filled with so much joy and he was like just laying there we were watching like cars - or something and
00:58:52| like em another arm around him and I was like I think at some point he said I love you dad like cuz that's his new sentence and I was like yeah yeah like he said it he's
00:59:05| been able to say it for like two years but he doesn't say it doesn't know what it means right and he just said it like the other day and I was like this makes me feel
00:59:14| higher than you could feel without a kid like there's something so I don't know like but it's it's the rollercoaster we talked about some uni that said it's lower lows and you could ever experience
00:59:30| anywhere it's higher highs it's the growth it's the it's the maturity side wave is much greater yeah it is impressive to see how far they can come when they didn't have
00:59:46| anything like they couldn't [ __ ] on their own they piss their pants and they just destroy everything essentially and then all of a sudden they're doing things they're taking care of themselves
00:59:55| and it's like oh I don't have to like do it anymore you can do that what did you start that I want to ask something be like angry at them why did you learn this word Rachel but
01:00:12| that's held like this I guess I don't know we were talking about the Delta I mean the Delta seems to we keep coming back to the Delta I didn't think we would if you live a life with no change
01:00:25| at all you're gonna be content which my believe was in the definition of happiness well it was I was it was in version version happiness a version when my dad takes the same route to work the
01:00:40| same roads he turns off the same road he gets coffee from the same place in the morning like he leaves at the exact same time in the morning Healey its home and be exact same time every day and for him
01:00:54| that's normalcy when I'm three minutes late he calls me where are you what's going on I'm gonna be said about slightly I'm wrapped around the goddamn corner dude I'll be there one minute I
01:01:06| had way too much to drink I was doing a podcast I'm happiness dad so there was a good but I was gonna say like he doesn't change I take different routes to work I take 309 sometimes god bless oh my god I
01:01:21| think there was an owner or a GM of a basketball team that had planned to buy houses like a complex for his family and he spent all his time working and by the time he built the complexes his children
01:01:36| had already kind of left the nest and they had created their own lives which is good but he realized that like the complex was not the vision that he saw it wasn't like people are gonna be under
01:01:49| my tutelage and they'll be happy it's like the expectations for him were mystic and he always looked back and said like I shouldn't have built like this complex this magnet for us yeah
01:02:03| essentially because it was no go it wasn't what I thought it was right it didn't become when I thought it was going to be and he should have spent more time with his kids rather than
01:02:13| trying to work harder to build something physical let me get into the planning for the future living in the past versus being present in the now mm-hmm hi Ross hmm that's how we wrap it up hope folks
01:02:34| enjoy think hope hope let's go with hope real quick it's solid like a rock in your own home or no one will see you let's just finish onto hope hope this is the weirdest ones because hope as you
01:02:51| mentioned ties to date yeah strange isn't it you could have faith you know I hope I hope I can have an abortion at Alabama like that's like who knows what's gonna
01:03:03| happen in that future thought it was um no this is Georgia there's Alabama it was jor-el Bama trust me hope is funny because it's Georgia State
01:03:26| Georgia and Alabama oh wait Joe is hesitant yeah the Georgia passed very official or are they thinking about it there I don't know I mean this is a recent you don't
01:03:37| know year like 10 years yeah hope is weird in that abortion my what hope it was worth it no in that they're like people who have faith have hope so they not is it enough is it weird
01:04:05| that like the people that came over as immigrants way back when to America they spent months on a ship like how much hope did they have to put trust in a month long journey or multiple month
01:04:18| long journey to get to someplace where they never had no clue I was there they had no information razor Occam's razor which says the easiest answer is usually the best tells me that life was so
01:04:32| shitty at the other locations that it beat that it was like dude lean so like you know hundred percent it's like inevitable death poverty and starving to death it's like hey let's go in this
01:04:48| boat try the new land it's the only reasonable excuse cuz I couldn't imagine people being like I'm wealthy here in Ireland I'm gonna go off to the Americas yeah check out the new land like no
01:05:02| one's gonna do that you have to be near death near starvation near poverty mirror maybe they just cut up a few women maybe what's his name did I was thinkin of our episode earlier though oh
01:05:18| you talking about Jack the Ripper Jack the Ripper he did flee the city and go to France and then maybe what he knows Nate's jumped around yeah Bobby totally huh I don't see a Todd's uni as we say
01:05:31| hmm I think his name was Bobby Tumblety was it McSally sure yes [Music] all right I feel good content hopeful met my expectations
01:05:54| a little more so than I thought hmm beyond expectations slightly I hope so thanks for joining us folks yeah we like you like you we like you a lot
01:06:14| very good
00:00:24| what we want to do is take this on this journey here find out what makes us happy what gives us hope what crushes those feelings so I'm Dan and I'm Nick books for old friends
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00:01:42| Oakes throwing the intro I never done this before I was slowly turning this as I spoke those words he was getting it felt more real or mineral yeah let me deliver yeah cuz I guess what we're
00:01:59| talking about is very abstract mm-hmm this episode would definitely not get cut yeah nah nothing concrete here guys this is what the people tune in to a podcast for something that doesn't have
00:02:13| to do with anything at all I had all folks so get any definitions I look at oil start with so this is really well certainty hope joy happiness and
00:02:27| laughter I think oh yeah so I get a quote okay hope is a good thing maybe the best of things and no good thing ever dies haha it's part of the quote any of you frame Shawshank Redemption
00:02:50| Sandi's quote mm-hmm where's he right that one in the letter at the end it's weird cuz I'm hearing it in Morgan Freeman voice so he done reading it yeah it's Ana letter okay yes so funny I
00:03:01| would have attributed the quote to him if easily a tribute that quote oh if he's reading yeah that is weird isn't it cuz it's written by a guy that didn't actually write it yeah
00:03:10| or say it I would say it out loud either that's so weird that's uh we found a loophole that's a Morgan say I wonder who the quotes by you know IMDB it's the quote it's like
00:03:23| letter the letter has all these votes letter as in from Andy Dufresne possibly yeah yeah for another cast member or the writer of the yeah I guess hmm Wow there's any key thing you want to touch
00:03:37| on I know through all your hope isn't real yeah happiness isn't a thing happiness isn't a thing and loss of happiness it's also not a thing so haha we're focused
00:03:51| we're not happy or we're not sad everything's totally totally the exact same every day so that's kind of what I wanted to talk about it's that I had a job interview and it's my things
00:04:05| no you did to there's a possibility that things change there's a routine in normal life that you get used to and the routine people get comfortable or they get bored so there's like two different
00:04:16| types of people who love routine or just get tired of it and happiness is really one of those ambiguous things where you're choosing between what you think might make you
00:04:26| happy grass is greener or you could be dooming yourself to have a shittier life you have no idea you're just jumping fleeting towards something if you change
00:04:38| if you change or you could stay still see and still be unhappy I'm gonna save us all sometimes at the end of the episode is that's going to be saying no matter what the f you do it's the way
00:04:51| you internalize everything that's happening around you that makes up your emotions there's nothing to do with the outside world so folks just learn to change your insides there that's what
00:05:03| we're gonna do at the end of a no I I would say the only constant thing is change right just embrace the change stay the same there's a lot of people who do the same route to work every day
00:05:13| he's stopping a coffee at the same place they do lunch at the same place every day they get the same paycheck they do everything the same and they're happy I think some of them I don't know how this
00:05:24| what baffles me is that I'll take different routes he'll be like I haven't been down this road in a while and just like I look at this guy I'm living on the edge by taking a right one minute
00:05:34| early and then quickly and running I can't do that all right this is this is literally a quiz because the guy came into my work today and I haven't seen him in a long
00:05:47| time I'm back at my old job I quit the other job so an old friend customer friend customer customer I don't call him frustum er a frustrated customer or you know a friend cuz my how customer a
00:06:02| frustum er frisky friend received four skier customer to someone I would get frisky with well anyway this gentleman came in and he I didn't realize he likes the TV shows I liked and stuff cuz then
00:06:16| he was like ah the Tom Cruise want where they predict the future like crimes and I was like yeah crime Oh cry me and we couldn't think of the name for like five straight minutes when we were both
00:06:26| talking about it and could you figure it out um when you on the spot for every detective nope no Tom Cruise Tom Cruise I think you thought Tom Cruise movie yeah and I'm an IRA Minority Report
00:06:40| you got it right away it soak us like eight minutes look it up online he's not a girlfriend crew crimes like precogs his Sunday I just started thinking yeah we cliches please say why balls his new
00:06:53| eyeball that's spoiler alert you know I don't ruin the mood for anyone yeah tell me where I was going with that is that damn I forget where I was going
00:07:05| you were best friends with your friend nummy well before that you're I don't know where you were going where were you going you distracted me so I don't know where I was going either
00:07:20| no you ruined the episode we have to turn I was gonna quit anyone would talk about what year they came out oh good mm I'm gonna say that was probably 2002 yeah it could be that was going with
00:07:36| three now I'll change my mics I think I was in high school maybe no mmm you're wrong it's set in 2050 for this 2002 house right I was pretty good forget it spider why how did look at this guy are
00:07:54| you one of those guys when did seven come out seven that came out in 1994 I always said 95 so I think or 97 no no nope you're right I can do this the whole episode Oh 95 yes
00:08:12| I said five or seven well I picked two so i'm like cheating they understand so I guess something Carol so this is part of happiness then bring it back it's the Delta it's the expectation that
00:08:23| you're setting and believing that you're joining to make a positive change or that you guessed correctly in the year huh that's what we're saying and we're gonna end up at we'll come back to this
00:08:31| exact thing is that if you're constantly constant you're maintaining something you're not getting sad your level yeah you're at a plateau content the only way to get me Pappy is to risk it content
00:08:43| and happy risk it I don't know about happy but it's not sad do you know I'm saying it's the awkwardness of trying to define what happiness is well I think happiness is when you take
00:08:56| a risk or make a change and it ends up better than what you thought are they hmm well in taking that risk you're also putting yourself at the risk for having
00:09:07| a worse time Yeah right yeah but in there is your own motivation will in energy yeah I guess a reward putting energy into things makes them better too
00:09:18| like if you played with a video game for a long time or watched a series for ten years only to watch it [ __ ] the bed at the end you know you can I actually don't think so I think series doing fine
00:09:28| and everyone who thinks it is it's like people were like no no I would have finished the entire eight seasons where I had no predictions that held up because it's out of control wild and
00:09:37| made me feel crazy weird and mad and I wanted a thirteen-year-old to choke to death ended it differently fair to say you know I'm saying yes so I think for them
00:09:48| to do this this way is fine okay let's not get into that sure guess so I think series we're talking about guess what series actually how funny of a bit if I'm defending the
00:09:59| show and the very were literally recording this right before the last episode right mm-hm so the last episode it could be like the biggest pile of [ __ ] ever yeah literally best and I'm
00:10:09| here defending a regular mic good day hope we're gonna I hope it's a great thing amazing odds are so as well can you can we actually have some Wikipedia definitions for three words sure I'm
00:10:26| happy to insert you want to know whoa got it actually Wikipedia is have a feeling of happiness this is not Wikipedia its parent like dopamine levels and like
00:10:36| cortisol and everything that makes you de-stress makes you happy euphoric the feeling is actually a chemical response to what you believe to be a positive response positive input so happiness is
00:10:48| a chemical response that's what I believe so happiness is uses in the context of mental or emotional state including positive or Pleasant emotions ranging from
00:10:59| contentment to intense joy it is also used in context of life satisfaction subjective well-being eudaimonia sounds like euphoria so we'll go with like a euphoric type thing human
00:11:13| flourishing or prosperity a blessedness eudaimonia eudaimonia and well-being and well-being okay but can you also look up hope those are like two of the most biggest
00:11:31| abstractness things and I didn't do any I don't know how yeah hope is an optimistic state of mind that is based on an expectation of positive outcomes with respect to events and circumstances
00:11:43| in one's life or the world at large Expo incidence is so is hope realistic is that what the kono said to cherish desire with anticipation it seems like it's controllable through the human mind
00:11:57| how much you hope but I mean it's also what's weird is that it seems like it has to be realistic to be hope but you can't hope you two corns for rainbow poops and you're magically turned into a
00:12:07| golden fairy dust and that you have a billion dollars it seemed limited by the possibilities that you believe are pop yes because of what it what yes exactly so what it said in the thing with
00:12:18| something like limitations of either your own life or society's expectations so I had this one from a co-worker she I don't know something happened to her but then she was in the details dude she got
00:12:32| beat by her husband she she had I really don't know really dark I'm not trying to like really like no it's like something something bad that she's like physically not well eat her husband she she's
00:12:45| pretty badass but like she said something to the fight like a donut that so this is religious and people probably beat me down but she said something the effect of like we're here because a guy
00:12:55| put us here and then like I was like okay like that's that's not that doesn't bother me and then like she said something too like he can do with us what He wills
00:13:04| I was like okay like whatever you want to believe and then she said like if we're happy we're meant to be happy if we're sad were meant to be sad and I was like we should yeah and then it's pretty
00:13:16| much like just literally needed an extension of what God wants you to do that is what's the point of anything you think he wants me be happy here it's like okay he wants me to be sad here
00:13:26| okay well what does he want you to do you I'm just curious here yeah what part of this is your your act yes more in the middle and for this run right or are you just watching this so that's another
00:13:37| thing it's weird if you have faith you might be content because your belief is that oh you yeah you believe that you're hopeful because you're taking care of but it's also still lusion 'el and like
00:13:50| you have no control so it's also pretty scary to me because I want control of my own life well there's two kinds of people ones who want control and ones who go wild I mean I we all that's
00:14:05| document it that's their own type a Type B type things in fact that's probably where we differ the most right then you're like a wild one are you trying to oh my god dude I just let like happen do
00:14:18| you from just the injuries I became this not hedonistic though you're not like chasing your desires he's just letting it happen your movie has exactly I just like I'm going with the river dude a
00:14:31| hundred percent you would freak out my life to my shoes you'd be like oh my god I don't know what how does he oh my god like I think this is where we differ the most in that
00:14:43| respect so part of this is like in certain conversations where I don't know people at all larger groups and I want to say something I get in my head and I'm like I got to think of something I
00:14:54| got a think to think like but I started thinking about what I need to think about which is thinking about something and I'm just like blanking thinking about thinking about yeah I'm thinking
00:15:03| about thinking about something like that's what I'm thinking about say I'm not in the moment at that point when I'm like trying too hard you can't turn your brain off you can when you get stuck in
00:15:13| a loop sometimes and that's exactly where I was to be like think of some good things good Emma's like trying to think of thinking to see your job interview I
00:15:22| think that's where we got derailed yeah so they like when we talk about the job interview sure you brought it up for a reason happiness hope yeah because there's a lot of possibilities a lot
00:15:35| change there change discontent and then there's a financial aspect that probably doesn't factor into it for me they're like the money doesn't feel like it's money unless it's leaving my hands or
00:15:46| coming into my hands the wrong way because I'm not trying to undercut you on the podcast but you bring it up a lot in your text to me that's what makes this much or this what makes us much so
00:15:55| even if it doesn't run your life you do think about in fact more than anything you probably try and game it like in a game when you have video game where you get the most reward for the most the
00:16:06| least action yeah I'm gonna stop by all my money so that I can get out of the whole rat race faster so that I can then live whatever life is posted is left after that sure shell of a man gives up
00:16:19| his soul and oh you're not giving me I'll give you credit you're not giving up your soul yeah like yeah trying to game the system to level up faster yeah does everything come back to video games
00:16:36| I guess for me it does I think I learned a lot through video games about myself that like different situations that you're faced with you'll never face the situations that much in real life so
00:16:50| hold on my son plays video games he's way too young for them but he plays them he's gonna be a gamer our video games gonna shape his ideas about the world like in the way they yours are or did
00:17:02| you learn about yourself through video games like were you always trying to save coins and level up or it is saving coins and leveling up as a youth to make you want to do that as an adult
00:17:13| that's what coins lots of coins no um have you ever felt the game change your mindset like it would it got into your brain yeah what remains of Edith Finch did you
00:17:27| play that one event I did not be in my friends there's a simulator where it's a first-person shooter but like a casual it's called casual or walking simulator
00:17:38| there's no shooting you can't die you don't have to complete the tasks it puts in front of you an event it's like a puzzle kind of yeah I can you mean into it it's you're gonna ruin everything
00:17:48| fish no I don't care go play it like you're chopping fish at plan uh-huh and you have to control your left hand and your right hand you hold the fish or you chop it with the right feeling and you
00:17:59| have to do this over and over a thousand times so you do it ten times and your character starts pretending he's playing a video game while he's doing it and you do this now you can move the fish but
00:18:11| you can also move your little character while you're moving this so I'm moving this and this and I'm moving a character will eventually his imagination grows so strong that I'm driving this boat down
00:18:21| this beautiful river and I'm still cutting fish heads but it's taking up less and less of the screen and the the things going down different paths I can hear cheering and there's like this
00:18:32| beautiful music and I'm playing like an RPG while I'm cutting off fish heads and it's talking this is taking place over weeks and months and like my character is keep cutting fish heads off at its
00:18:42| repetitive motion I keep doing it with is I need to keep doing it with my fingers but like my other fingers like this finger of this bigger are controlling all the other stuff and it's
00:18:51| taking up more and more room and becoming more and more graphic and more awesome and like taking up more of the screen it's getting colorful and the music's getting louder and I can hear
00:19:00| less than the fish chopping to the point where it's like I don't even see the fish anymore but I have to keep doing the emotion because I can see the background on the fish and I know I have
00:19:10| to keep cutting but I'm walking down and people are cheering for me I'm a king and they're there blowing trumpets and stuff and all this crazy stuff happens and there's like confetti everywhere and
00:19:22| I'm in a magical land and I'm a king of a prince and I'm wandering around and everyone's bowing to me and I'm doing all this while I'm still cutting fish heads very tiny in the background of the
00:19:33| whole game and I walk and I'm going up to receive my crown and it occurs to me as you're going it's a chopper and that in real life your character actually puts his
00:19:45| head on the blade one time and laps off his own head so he commits suicide in the game while he's dreaming of something yeah fantastical yeah and it's the wildest
00:20:00| thing because it made me realize that like I don't know that that was that sad it was but it was just monotonous his life was ruined he was in the drugs he was in rehab a bunch of times he no real
00:20:15| life no girlfriends no anything so this is his only job and his imagination is the only thing cared about well he created this grand world with real music real people and real colors and real
00:20:25| vivid imagery and eventually they were crowding him King and to claim his throne he kind of puts his head on like where the crown was and I don't know if he chops his own head or it just gets
00:20:37| chopped off it's just emphasized that he dies crazy and it's one fell swoop move boom he's done and he died happy I think or he ended happy like he will never be sad again he won't be a burnout anymore
00:20:53| he's not going home and coming back to the fish plant anymore he's not making minimum wage he's not living he lives in his parents house in one of the rooms and what remains of Edith Finch and it's
00:21:03| just one small part of the game it's I'm just and pounding him one part that really touched a nerve gotcha and it was just so cool but like weird and sad and I was like is that happiness
00:21:16| I mean this person had no chance to turn around their life I think he's like a 35 year old burnout who lives at home and works with the fish cutting plant I mean I have no idea so that that makes me
00:21:28| think of I'm gonna throw out like four things I probably hit them slowly well I'll bet ah good music Glenn oh nice Hannah long music video we'll come back to that like xanax harder drugs and then
00:21:41| like a happiness is there a limit does it get shifted based on how you live or like what you put in your body and do people feel happiness or sadness alright go we're going to war or less
00:21:51| intensely so there's like five things there a helmet so what's the item they're selling I think it's called bliss and one of the versions I know one there's like let's
00:22:06| Reika goggles you put on and you see the world it's a happy place awesome but it's like something you can buy from a store yeah mass-produced you can buy bliss everyone
00:22:15| has to Bible is 999 it comes in a box it's goggles it makes the world look beautiful oh and it's the best-selling thing in the world everyone's buying everyone splits right
00:22:25| mm-hmm everyone's doing it and everyone's very entertained by these goggles that are stuck in these goggles and everyone's just walking around with goggles on because bliss they don't lie
00:22:34| bro one wants it everyone has it consume it boom buy it makes you happy but the one guy keeps taking off his goggles and like the world around him still a brand yep it's very drab there's no color
00:22:47| but this is the real world he's looking at he's trying to build his own version of bliss he was without the goggles without a machine yeah and then if you remember what he sees off in the
00:22:56| distance the one of those spinny very yeah yeah actually I don't even know what that childhood did you have one I think they outlawed by the time we were here I think you know people were
00:23:10| that if you spin it fast enough oh god yeah yeah the things that and this is so funny we're gonna pockets it won't be seen for like maybe years who knows it's like a circle thing that's on
00:23:22| the biscuits roundabouts I hope they call it may be a roundabout sure that sounds about right merry-go-round in America regular metal art so you can hold on to so yeah a
00:23:30| bunch of kids we get on and spin it as I couldn't centrifugal force throws you off so available it picks up some yeah I don't haven't seen those like that version of it maybe the metal ones are
00:23:43| now transformed into a plastic something or other that makes it so you can't get whacked by a pole and there's probably a speed limit be a ball bearings or whatever in the thing yeah limit so he
00:23:52| sees that off in the distance because he's trying to emulate what he felt in his childhood right yes and I think he was a kid he creates the invention that is better than whatever is existing
00:24:03| oh we movie skipped one part remember where he goes to work because everyone works at a factory ironically he's making goggles or something yeah and while you worked
00:24:12| there you can put them all into this boss is yelling at him and hideous work and he's like what's up and this Wallace is like huh and the Bliss goggles it's like it's not real life you're you're
00:24:24| consuming something to make you think you're happy yeah so eventually he makes his own version and then he's the boss yelling down at people and he I think he looks back on his own life and says like
00:24:35| the things I was chasing were not true happiness of things yeah things is it one so that's also an analog for drugs it's like people doing it's hard drugs like things that are will destroy your
00:24:49| brain well chasing money - it's kind of anything that you chase I guess yeah you can train your normal pathways to be a certain way so that you're stuck doing that thing and not ever be able to break
00:25:02| out of your routine addiction yes money online shopping booze partying up having sex with strangers like you can do almost anything that brings you physical pleasure I think as long as it derives
00:25:16| you physical pleasure you can tie it to your your happiness neurons mm-hmm that make sense it does there was an offshoot - ever had forgot where I was going I did it
00:25:30| drugged you're going towards drugs the one I know no it was um so that's one thing I was like worried about so I'm going after a job for money and it's gonna be so like how much time do you
00:25:40| think it takes for you to become indoctrinated into whatever you're doing like there's a time period where like video games they can be very impactful because you're fully in it but like a
00:25:51| job you're not fully in it but it can still essentially brainwash you so I'm worried that after X number of years I'll be brainwashed a certain way and then I won't be able to some go back and
00:26:01| be happy like I was a kid how many hours in a week at a job or in general in general what's 24 times 7 seems like 90 no 140 something well it's 24 times seven well I did not
00:26:20| type that correctly 186 or 68 but what no no no - the sleeping time what's sleeping time from there roughly hours a night to people so say wake full-time is 16 hours a day save
00:26:41| one - well I'll just okay all right - - would say like 50 hours a week probably including traveling and ready and all [ __ ] okay so you have 62 hours of free time quote
00:26:57| unquote read do whatever the hell you want whether I mean you have to mow your lawn or do your laundry at some point yeah I would say half of that is taken up by monotonous stuff routine stuff
00:27:07| what's that leave you with the head like doesn't it I do we have a thirty hours that even seems high and then think of this 40 hours of work well I already subtracted out 40 oh did you you did the
00:27:22| work okay yeah well then no no it doesn't matter we subtracted it out 40 hours of work 30 ish hours to do whatever the hell you want you know this is Chronos first Kairos it is hell is it
00:27:39| Chronos is the quantity of time and Kairos is the quality of time okay okay thank you every time what like religious retreats it's or nice Anna Anna sounds like whose
00:27:50| Chrono Trigger Kona or the trigger time yes so quality of time versus quantity of time so if you're trying to buy a quantity of time to make it more qualifications you think you can live a
00:28:15| better life I don't know there are people doing jobs that they love and they likewise there are people out there that I was a stat for the number of people on medications
00:28:29| like a xanax or something that makes you not it takes the edge off it makes you generally happy I guess mood altering drugs like there's a an astounding number of people that are taking them I
00:28:42| think that I pour like on a plane trip or whatever yeah don't you like it I felt like I was asleep and awake at the same time for just a long period of time one in six Americans apparently 16% so
00:28:58| like there are people there that are probably you know that if they didn't have the drug they'd be immensely upset so like I guess other people see them as like maybe they're playing well-regarded
00:29:08| aren't playing or they're like surprised that they can do a certain day I don't think you can be exciting more funny while you're on a drug like that you think like we're trying to apply a class
00:29:21| of people like a certain type like to like taking the drug like if you take the drug no I mean it when I took it like for my plane trip I couldn't I don't even remember it really I me
00:29:34| always just like sitting there or something or reading a book and not really remembering any of the words read on the page like I think where you read the whole book word-for-word then you
00:29:43| don't remember a single word you read like go back over because how I felt yeah so how much time is like a knee-slapper like something that really gets you and
00:29:53| you just like it like a dark humor joke that you never thought of before that just like how much like I could do but like one of those a month and I'd probably be happy like if that was my
00:30:03| rate I think I'd be good I guess among one that just like pound daddy's like just think about that how's it going like if you have like is I don't think that other people like have like
00:30:20| knee-slapper reactions to things like not like some people like laugh so hard you cry yeah exactly I love that oh my god like am I the exact ah cuz I sent it to my friend
00:30:33| Dan and understand the other Dan like two days ago or of it and I might not be able to repeat it in the podcast it doesn't matter if it was a funniest damn thing I ever heard
00:30:46| so I can tell my story okay please do so I was in that interview and I did really well and there are bunch of people like five people around a table and they all seem to be pretty happy like with my
00:31:00| answers and towards the end of it I was confident usually I'm overthinking things and like I get anxiety I didn't have any anxiety and usually when I'm anxious my hands sweat or they're like
00:31:17| clammy or cold but they weren't so I say oh thank you for all your time and I'm getting ready to leave I shake the first guy's hand he's like okay thank you Dan and I shake the next guy's hand yeah
00:31:29| yeah third guy's hand and then the fourth guy I go to shake his hand and he's like the guy that's gonna maybe potentially hire me his hand was really sweaty and clammy hell yeah I was like
00:31:41| well why like why is that guy's hand clammy don't read too much into it because some people are naturally sweaty yeah and the other thing is like sometimes have you ever been in a
00:31:53| situation where like like once or twice a year my hands peel I don't know if you can see on the podcast or whatever it's I has to do with the change of seasons and my allergies I guess but it's my
00:32:05| hands well literally all the skin will peel from them little by little so it looks like I have eczema or whatever maybe it is excellent but I only get it maybe twice a year I think I get it in
00:32:15| winter I feel like the tiny like a Deadpool the tiny hand grows out of yeah I can't just sheds the the bigger hand but it happened this week when I did my job interview and I was like shape you
00:32:29| guys look weird if I don't so like if I touch my hand I feel like sandpaper because all those dead skin it's like doing its thing you know like hey how's it going I don't want to be like listen
00:32:38| this only happens once a year so when I'm here is to change the seasons I can you get it all that you seem like a weirdo so I mean I find it too weird when something like once in a while were
00:32:50| a shirt that makes me sweat more when you lift up your arms and then Spiti what can you do you imagine if you did that when you met an attractive girl or something and she's like but it's
00:33:00| it's literally the shirt and you can't explain that you're like no no this is this man explain guy it's the shirt and they eat you're like yeah okay buddy it's the shirt and you're like oh no
00:33:12| it's really the shirt you bastard I'm gonna prove you wrong and you take pictures of your shirt every day and send it to them and threatening and maybe you take a real picture in the
00:33:21| Xerox it sent over their house address everyday boom boom they didn't even hire you you're just sending them not me this is not me so this fits in perfectly so I shook that guy's hand yeah I shook that
00:33:38| guy's hand and my hand was soaking wet and then there's five people the fifth person was an attractive woman and I was like she's gonna think that I have sweaty hands now he shook someone sweaty
00:33:51| hand it was like yeah see there's weird things going on I split second I was like do I wipe my hand like that would be inappropriate
00:34:04| wouldn't it like the guy would see that I did I shook all their hands and I was like I want to say I'm not like if you did like um try your hand no like um so chance you know no quick moves like oh
00:34:21| thank you so much oh my god and then you like like you just touched your shirt like a magician you mean but your wife he wipes the sweat off with his right hand while moving it yeah the one who's
00:34:31| left like in slow-mo it looked like this you'd be like thanks new boss oh hey how are you but in like in real motion bielagus thanks a lot I really appreciate it like we just touch
00:34:42| yourself and then kept telling my boss some of that I said I did not I took her ham and it's wet in nor huh I wonder if she's thinking about that now determining whether to offer me the job
00:34:53| like you saying like it's right now she's like Oh hire so many so this isn't related but I have to bring it up yeah at my old job there was a new guy and he was like really awkward
00:35:08| and he was a reddit dude like yeah mule you just know he's a reddit dude he asked me like within five minutes if I knew I read it was no I don't have no need to ask people I know I know
00:35:20| anyway he's like five years younger than us hey you know and then like I was trying to show him around to like show him how to talk to customers and the products and stuff and he would
00:35:30| interject himself and don't like the conversations and I was like he's wrong or am I gonna stop but I think he's wrong I'm gonna stop no I'm like don't try and upsell this I don't they don't
00:35:40| want this but like stuff like that oh my god this guy hate him and it's so awesome he had tiny hands Superman baby began Trump pants baby baby hands when I went
00:35:52| to shake his hand goodbye it was like I wrap my whole hand around his hand and shook it nothing what are you it's like this because we do the double hand grasp to make it feel like a real hand is
00:36:07| shaking you lays it in there I brought it up but like a little stuff like handshakes that we're just talking about like those are deal-breakers not deal breaks I mean in a way they don't matter
00:36:21| but they do so it messes with our happiness try to bring it back oh really yeah there's no expectation is there as a desire to present yourself in a certain way I'm wringing it back I
00:36:36| really am but honestly that's what the I remember those are joke I live that so long oh who is the dark jokes it's not mine Pike is called come to assist the did
00:36:53| you say the last time I think he did with the mitten I don't know Mitch okay no no okay they asked if it's illegal this is not my joke at all or anything do you got a
00:37:09| neighbor it's real creepy and you have a kid and the neighbor hires a [ __ ] prostitute like someone a small a smaller person we have four-foot person haha dresses
00:37:19| them up like your son business of you and your family that's illegal okay you'd have to fight invite you over for drinks and they need be he's be inside his lair this [ __ ]
00:37:44| friend like my child I didn't touch anyone what is the precedent there though if you have like a an open window and you're naked inside your own house is
00:37:53| that are you a sex offender by being naked in your own house that other people can see you through your if you open your windows I think so if you have no blinds peeper not the Tom I could see
00:38:16| like if someone if someone was trying to like label you as a sex offender they'd be like holding a child up to your window look at them and you're like I'm changing here and then it's like the
00:38:27| police bust in they're like what are you doing note to self this pervert has no clothes on while the babies outside the window it's a second-floor window have the baby
00:38:41| get up there note to self resisting arrest peeping tom versus a dude in public so apparently it hinges on intent early state the state if you make strong eye contact and lick your lips your
00:39:00| flick up in trouble you lick your lips is awkwardly so I would throw up through that guy's window I would throw keep Jack and ooze in a glass and that penis
00:39:25| Oh hope you're not throwing break in their pcs 6:47 a penal code penal code where our favorite codes here only on painters hmm back to happiness it makes us happy huh
00:39:48| is it like that's another thing as making any sense it's the things that are so crude I go out of like Louie CK Jukes like a lot of Lucy Kay jokes are like so
00:39:56| [ __ ] up that they're funny they're funny it's a weird sort of dark humor that also makes the sun-eater that explained that we make fun of his jokes all the
00:40:07| time make fun of him all the time but he said a joke is your expectation egg and where the joke ends up z that's called the Delta I seem out of funny the joke is I was always like dude this guy's a
00:40:22| freaking joke maybe a little bit though right yeah where it goes which direction is are we coming back to change B and Delta hmm what do you think about mood-altering drugs seems like like
00:40:44| doing it for children like children who are like ADHD they try to like give them Ritalin or something to calm them down how old I mean we're talking like four or like twelve they they diagnosed them
00:40:57| and like five or six and I like try to get you to give them medication I have a problem with that some people probably hate it that's too young yeah our kids who totally needed it by though like I
00:41:12| see the relatives of friends of relatives that are like I'm like that kid needs of God what if I knock this over don't knock it over there knocking it over and you're
00:41:28| like it your kid but it's not a discipline thing like they're not no no there's no way that correct it no and they're gonna knock that thing over in your house so do you think so like
00:41:41| through growing becoming an adult what age you're supposed to mnsure at 25 is like when you're like peak adulthood or something right like you finally cemented everything together right
00:41:54| because you're talking pre-puberty everything's gonna change with puberty yeah and um you're still kind of growing into your body and you do your when you physically stop growth they say 25 said
00:42:05| the number I know I know pthey peak athleticism was 22 or something splitting hairs yep so like my thing is that if you force a kid to be on a certain drug are
00:42:22| you stealing those like the the highs and lows from them so they can't learn from it are you rewiring their brain knows I don't know that that kid would learn from the highs and lows I don't
00:42:33| know that they wouldn't I'm not saying that I'm just saying I don't know that we're stealing their learning force maybe we're selling their time I don't know you're pushing off their
00:42:43| development maybe if you're never stressed how do you deal with stress once you take away the drug that prevents you from feeling stressed right well this is a thing going on
00:42:54| dependency yeah you're gonna need that otherwise you're gonna start basing stress how do you deal with those things huh well their effort what do you do when you have no attention to deficit
00:43:06| this with ADHD that I don't know but I don't know that you can cure it so like saying hey this ADHD kid at age eight we put him on drugs for four years and then we introduced him to a new stimulus
00:43:29| without his drugs why did he do he failed I don't that kid without the drugs from 8 to 12 and would it end up any different at 12 we introduced them to a new stimulus
00:43:41| same result like do you know to me I wonder if there's a study on twins that does exactly this we have to look into them someone drugged some wolf drug yeah it would be interesting
00:43:54| it's also kind of weird in the way in it like a that there's a certain group of people that are less than us and you would do tests on them but you're a scientist yes I also think that people
00:44:05| feel emotions very differently like the high side open restlessly what's who that I don't know German the German bad guy signed this are you talking about like girls girls
00:44:18| Goebbels ginger balls that was he did a lot of tests on twins do you know that yeah they love twins cuz twins are like the perfect thing to test it's like yeah because they have the same genes so the
00:44:29| nature or nurture anyway we're gonna do that probably at the end of the episode to happiness versus somebody said like what somebody was talking about I don't know if this I'll just talk about anyway
00:44:41| so there's like the genetic make up with somebody dictates the nurture part of it or knit the nature part of it rather and they said that Komodo dragons like when they are laid the mother runs away and
00:44:54| doesn't come back because she will cannibalize the egg so when that egg hatches the Komodo dragon doesn't have any guidance whatsoever they have to figure out everything by themselves one
00:45:05| of those weird things where it's like being their genetic code it like tells them how to hunt and eat and feed milk no offense I was singing the CEO day I was watching Birds picket worms in the
00:45:15| ground I was like what if a purpose is like I want to go on the concrete and flip my legs on it and if my legs as hard as I kind of like concrete because they've never seen him like I won't be
00:45:26| oh yeah Bieber legs on the ground as hard as I could and they're like this is cool this is cool this is cool next three days later they were dead of starvation
00:45:34| because that's all they did like they didn't have you to tell mass what are you doing but no one would tell that bird otherwise right I wouldn't dumbass
00:45:47| like me just flapping his feet as hard as you can on the concrete this is the plot to Happy Feet but no one tells the birds what to do like you can actually feel it
00:46:07| so are we dove into the end but are we naturally designed to keep moving are we are we well like this is actually like we're the blight right because we're trying to do something and progress
00:46:20| something but while we're doing it we're constantly consuming and destroying things I think I'm different I don't think most people think about that and oh also that your cotton thinker and
00:46:32| look thinker so think I'm different girl also they like the bittersweet moments and like the like I don't know that many people like rain but I love rain like things that mostly people feel sad about
00:46:44| I'm like it's an experience it's kind of like epicurean or you're just like I want to absorb experiences even though though even though they might be terrible like make me feel bad it's like
00:46:54| that's the sweet is never a sweet without the sour vanilla sky' these and bakes thank you very much yeah sweet is never sweet without the sour your taste buds only ever had sweet things for
00:47:09| their entire lives if you only ate the same thing for the your entire life if you only experienced the same happiness your entire life it wouldn't feel happy since we talked about Delta a lot
00:47:23| weirdly enough and we're coming back to it so we touched on us in the lottery episode people who win the lottery can never achieve higher - Matt I mean the highest high is winning that lottery so
00:47:42| then if you buy your Porsche if you buy your fancy house you buy a skateboard here's a computer to buy there's no sound system to buy any of all the newest stuff well if you buy the new
00:47:55| shoes I don't know so that's a materialistic funked sure you're pointing up that I was actually gonna say like astronauts astronauts trained to be the best in their field and they
00:48:07| go up there and they execute but there's a certain time frame where you're too old to be an astronaut so what do you do do you've achieved something that like almost nobody ever achieves and you've
00:48:19| trained for it for years what's the one who's always tweeting and everything is that Glenn or oh that's a commander what's H Dana as a had Pat Lee had [ __ ] sure regardless what are they
00:48:37| doing like now that they're not doing it anymore tweeting but like what like I said smells like suicide means or like are they like check out this bad field stars Hadfield that's cool Canadian guy
00:48:51| he's the one who's very popular he's very well-spoken so like I don't know I know Canadians are yeah thank you so I believe that that they're astronauts I know some astronauts
00:49:05| personally and they just kind of exist you know they try to invent things they have like a I think there's actually a podcast of an astronaut that like has a bunch of random [ __ ] in his garage and
00:49:15| he tries to like invent something and he also sits down and like talks to other astronauts so he spends his time trying to like I guess extract what he experienced and then share with others
00:49:27| but no one else can experience that true with them can you experience the fantasy of a book if someone writes a book about something that doesn't I don't I didn't carry a sword and go on horseback and
00:49:40| cut down you know the Dothraki yeah sure I want to talk about well what's happening is there it's the change in your ordinary life from this fantasy
00:49:58| life why does fantasy make you happy because of the Delta maybe it's teaching you new things like it's like not that it's actually
00:50:07| possible but it's like a feeling of beyond experience they do this I mean you're never going to carry a sword you're no we're gonna go into battle you're gonna kill and work and you're
00:50:17| never gonna get rewarded by an elf queen Galadriel or whatever do you know what I mean yeah I feel like each of these things is a pretty big Delta from your life that's
00:50:26| huge in fact but the characters in a fantasy novel have to be you have to resonate with you you have to be related like you have to relate to them in such a way that you feel like you can be a
00:50:38| piece of them there are certain fantasy movies in Lord of the Rings and maybe and the other one Bobbitt that suck because I don't know you're like oh the movies yeah the movies from a book
00:50:53| perspective they were actually really good hobbits were like the humans of the other world they didn't have special powers they were looked down on then hairy feet they kind of sucked but they
00:51:03| ended up being the hardiest hmm of all the species that's why I'm Bilbo and um dildo say head beware you're thinking about paintings for sure though were the only ones who could carry the ring
00:51:20| because all the other species if they put on the ring they would kind of get turned right away yeah it's weird that the hobbit who had no powers and just hairy feet and would never go to battle
00:51:29| it was like the hardiest creature and it was like they were hard-working kind of they were shorter everyone kind of laughed at them and thought they were a joke but it they were stronger than the
00:51:39| others in resisting magic and it's like whoa that's kind of cool okay if you introduce out of them like their normal jamokes but there they got powers that's a Klingon powers but
00:51:51| they're stronger than all these other strong-willed two words and abstract feeling it was kind of cool I think that made them more relatable in a book sense I don't know the catch had in the enough
00:52:03| movies but of you I volunteer ever ever watched a movie where they introduced a character and killed them immediately like you think of one Bambi
00:52:15| there's a familial relationship though I know but that that pulls on your mother leaf or some southern son nerdly I don't know what you'd call it no I mean I so I didn't see baby since I
00:52:29| had a kid and watch baby and the best sad cuz there's the mom dies and beginning right right away she's friggin shot yeah but you know the relationship there so it's like your own
00:52:39| mom dying so it pulls on something you already you know but it's not like it's a character with no connection whatsoever if you make a connection somehow you're gonna make a connection
00:52:50| that's exactly what I'm talking about because you have to relate to the characters in a fantasy novel or movie in order to feel like you're there that piece of you that's why Marvel bring you
00:53:04| together in like end game or infinity war they're pulling on all the elements of a character to make you feel different pieces of yourself in this compares with your spoiler talkity and
00:53:15| uncomfortable do you want to touch on anything else for the audience that would go over my head and wouldn't spoil it for me there were moments in that both movies
00:53:28| that actually got to me or surprisingly you've got you've seen it no but I just keep seeing pictures of bath or I'm like what is that they're ruining your happiness for me and people like to
00:53:38| shush it on your happiness so that shun frood where you see somebody cheating and embroider [ __ ] in Freud is that was Shin true achieving for it I don't know I don't know I know you're talking about
00:53:48| well here's my thing I've seen a picture of fat that Thor there's like t-shirts being made for it's inevitable yeah inevitability I mean it's knowing that that Thor
00:54:01| exists or existed or Cody's not necessarily going to ruin it for you but a good if someone showed you the last frames of the movie wait it's at the end of the movie that
00:54:14| does change things and that he becomes fat he becomes fat he has to eat one of the characters in order to survive stop now you try it the tracks is hell covering the tracks like hey you know
00:54:26| the funniest thing the characters always do in a movie where they're hiding from the law or right in the back and six of my right no it's going with covering our tracks and they would use a big branch
00:54:38| to wipe out their little presents though now wouldn't work in like hearts know like thing about that you really dammit we need a shovel nothing like a snow war did we need like
00:54:50| two shovels and two snow blowers and a blower let's just melt the snow leave it open are more obvious track a path so yeah yeah the melted path anyway guy no I'm just talking about how it has to be
00:55:07| relatable and there are moments that were relatable in a surprising way in a realistic way even though it was a fantasy world it's strange how like you can you can feel something that's
00:55:19| obviously happiness and joy through a medium that doesn't really it doesn't exist it's not a real thing so people can be like Edith Finch they could believe they're somewhere else and be
00:55:36| extremely happy I could I could see people let have no stress in our life but they leave it what I would consider a shitty life but they're very happy doing it I
00:55:45| think they're on drugs maybe they're not like but somehow maybe people are wired differently to feel happiness like all the time like you felt happiness all the time would you know it or that just be
00:55:59| you you'd just be a personality it status quo right will that become normal for people just like constantly amping it up now they'd be happy all the time I mean you can then it's not happiness
00:56:14| need the peaks for the valleys anyone who doesn't have a kid I always say this to them like I'm like I don't have a kid dude it's crazy and you're like what do you mean I'm like yeah that's crazy
00:56:27| everybody says everyone has a kid it's like it's crazy it's like oh you saw your time you're doing that constantly doing stuff you're gonna get poop in your face and then your eyeballs yeah
00:56:36| because I put it this way you're gonna [ __ ] anyway without a kid is like this it's like whoa Morgan just do whoa this like oh I gotta do this oh my god oh that's okay when you have a kid it's
00:56:49| like way different it's like this Wow I'm sleep-deprived and I can't get to work in time that oh my god the kid [ __ ] all over the diaper and leaked out the back and oh my god I got in the car
00:57:00| sneak can you watch a car see I know the cloth is removable I didn't ask if it's remove ways I can you wash the car seat it's covered in poop and they're like well where's the kid you're like oh it's
00:57:11| taken out Jesus Christ hold on give me a minute and the other kid touching the poop the other food and you're screaming and the whole time you have a hernia and you're
00:57:24| trying to pick one up no no one hurts and you're like you're getting a phone calling you look really oh it's the interview place honey you guys think both the goddamn kids cover
00:57:32| both your goddamn mouth I have to take this call and you're screaming at your significant other and you got eight things going on and the whole time you're like Jesus Christ we
00:57:42| have a dog Danny one walk the dog he's [ __ ] in the house the dog [ __ ] and ass are you kidding me he [ __ ] in the house just like the kid [ __ ] in the car seat let's
00:57:50| just honey are you mature everywhere and you're doing this over like a five-minute span where your life couldn't get any worse it's the worst
00:58:00| thing in the world anyone who doesn't have a kid has no idea you're sleep-deprived you can't turn it off it's the lowest low you don't get lower than that but my kid today like he was
00:58:15| watching a movie and he wanted he hands me a lay down and I was like what do you want dude and he just wanted to lay down on me to put his arms over me to put his head down and watch the movie puke all
00:58:25| over your arse - no no he just literally wanted to lean against me - one movie and he didn't say I love you or anything which he does sometimes but like this I was like this is everything
00:58:39| he's like sit here dad I wanna watch movie and I'm like okay I love you my heart was filled with so much joy and he was like just laying there we were watching like cars - or something and
00:58:52| like em another arm around him and I was like I think at some point he said I love you dad like cuz that's his new sentence and I was like yeah yeah like he said it he's
00:59:05| been able to say it for like two years but he doesn't say it doesn't know what it means right and he just said it like the other day and I was like this makes me feel
00:59:14| higher than you could feel without a kid like there's something so I don't know like but it's it's the rollercoaster we talked about some uni that said it's lower lows and you could ever experience
00:59:30| anywhere it's higher highs it's the growth it's the it's the maturity side wave is much greater yeah it is impressive to see how far they can come when they didn't have
00:59:46| anything like they couldn't [ __ ] on their own they piss their pants and they just destroy everything essentially and then all of a sudden they're doing things they're taking care of themselves
00:59:55| and it's like oh I don't have to like do it anymore you can do that what did you start that I want to ask something be like angry at them why did you learn this word Rachel but
01:00:12| that's held like this I guess I don't know we were talking about the Delta I mean the Delta seems to we keep coming back to the Delta I didn't think we would if you live a life with no change
01:00:25| at all you're gonna be content which my believe was in the definition of happiness well it was I was it was in version version happiness a version when my dad takes the same route to work the
01:00:40| same roads he turns off the same road he gets coffee from the same place in the morning like he leaves at the exact same time in the morning Healey its home and be exact same time every day and for him
01:00:54| that's normalcy when I'm three minutes late he calls me where are you what's going on I'm gonna be said about slightly I'm wrapped around the goddamn corner dude I'll be there one minute I
01:01:06| had way too much to drink I was doing a podcast I'm happiness dad so there was a good but I was gonna say like he doesn't change I take different routes to work I take 309 sometimes god bless oh my god I
01:01:21| think there was an owner or a GM of a basketball team that had planned to buy houses like a complex for his family and he spent all his time working and by the time he built the complexes his children
01:01:36| had already kind of left the nest and they had created their own lives which is good but he realized that like the complex was not the vision that he saw it wasn't like people are gonna be under
01:01:49| my tutelage and they'll be happy it's like the expectations for him were mystic and he always looked back and said like I shouldn't have built like this complex this magnet for us yeah
01:02:03| essentially because it was no go it wasn't what I thought it was right it didn't become when I thought it was going to be and he should have spent more time with his kids rather than
01:02:13| trying to work harder to build something physical let me get into the planning for the future living in the past versus being present in the now mm-hmm hi Ross hmm that's how we wrap it up hope folks
01:02:34| enjoy think hope hope let's go with hope real quick it's solid like a rock in your own home or no one will see you let's just finish onto hope hope this is the weirdest ones because hope as you
01:02:51| mentioned ties to date yeah strange isn't it you could have faith you know I hope I hope I can have an abortion at Alabama like that's like who knows what's gonna
01:03:03| happen in that future thought it was um no this is Georgia there's Alabama it was jor-el Bama trust me hope is funny because it's Georgia State
01:03:26| Georgia and Alabama oh wait Joe is hesitant yeah the Georgia passed very official or are they thinking about it there I don't know I mean this is a recent you don't
01:03:37| know year like 10 years yeah hope is weird in that abortion my what hope it was worth it no in that they're like people who have faith have hope so they not is it enough is it weird
01:04:05| that like the people that came over as immigrants way back when to America they spent months on a ship like how much hope did they have to put trust in a month long journey or multiple month
01:04:18| long journey to get to someplace where they never had no clue I was there they had no information razor Occam's razor which says the easiest answer is usually the best tells me that life was so
01:04:32| shitty at the other locations that it beat that it was like dude lean so like you know hundred percent it's like inevitable death poverty and starving to death it's like hey let's go in this
01:04:48| boat try the new land it's the only reasonable excuse cuz I couldn't imagine people being like I'm wealthy here in Ireland I'm gonna go off to the Americas yeah check out the new land like no
01:05:02| one's gonna do that you have to be near death near starvation near poverty mirror maybe they just cut up a few women maybe what's his name did I was thinkin of our episode earlier though oh
01:05:18| you talking about Jack the Ripper Jack the Ripper he did flee the city and go to France and then maybe what he knows Nate's jumped around yeah Bobby totally huh I don't see a Todd's uni as we say
01:05:31| hmm I think his name was Bobby Tumblety was it McSally sure yes [Music] all right I feel good content hopeful met my expectations
01:05:54| a little more so than I thought hmm beyond expectations slightly I hope so thanks for joining us folks yeah we like you like you we like you a lot
01:06:14| very good
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