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00:00:01| so we're the unpaid Roos tonight we're gonna talk about escapism how you want to get out of your own life because it's so mundane and boring that you just can't stand it
00:00:10| I can't stand this anymore let's get out of here let's start the intro already so I'm Dan folks for old friends dissecting one topic at a time people technology media we've got it all covered each
00:00:28| discussion here is a deep dive in or unique perspective taboo little subjects they're all on the chopping block baby we don't pander to popular opinion we might even get a little bit dirty
00:00:41| morning this podcast may contain mature language and sexual content and is for entertainment purposes only so join us have a good time we go we're live we're into this baby I'm feeling better than I
00:01:13| thought I would I woke up it was uh yeah Oh crack crack crack I woke up at 3:30 this morning and did not sleep since I have not slept since part of a part of having a new kid that's what you that's
00:01:26| why you look like that yeah new baby will make it pretty tired may get pretty stressed see that shirt in a previous episode yeah it's a video game I'm making I want to escape oh ah hello
00:01:40| stress today yeah stuff cuz you need to get away I need to get away from some stuff actually my son and I we both have the same method of getting away from things we hit the bottle we hit it hard
00:01:54| dr. Brown's baby bottles he came with props okay they're pretty good you know I didn't want to become a colic so dr. Brown says the special little let me undo this little piece
00:02:08| here it has a blue little total straw in the middle that just sucks the air or whatever you drink in for babies that's pretty cool yeah it's also has multiple parts that makes it really
00:02:17| confusing to verbs verbs uh-huh uh-huh and it's an IQ test too for people who've never used a baby bottle before they never get it right oh my you've been checking that bad boy
00:02:28| from the mold you know every extra part of a baby bottle pretty much grows moles yeah I've got a tiny little filter thing that just goes in the old pipe cleaner it's the tiny little one gets the NIP
00:02:39| weird yeah so uh your first nipple right um no but have you had have you tried breast milk before what's that principal yeah well I didn't have any heavy cream so I had to substitute is that really
00:02:52| breast milk yeah you never tried breasts but before I'd sipped it but not like it's rather oily no oily rel as we say a good tongue twister all right mm-hmm link you know what they say right yes I
00:03:12| guess you got to push the envelope huh yeah you know if you're if your wife's gushing you make a White Russian cuz I got some excess breast milk here you got to use it up hey my man is on fire
00:03:23| tonight I don't even know what to say yeah see that I saw oh no oh yeah get ready for my breasts oh it's fantastic this is good stuff man I can't really breast
00:03:35| milk it's the most expensive drink because you can't buy breast milk I mean a life of indulgence right here oh my god you get five breast milk you can buy breast milk on the black market you can
00:03:45| probably buy it on the not black market I give you until next episode to Bry breast milk on the black market quality breast milk wait yeah individual or their milk
00:04:01| I want a background check on this breast milk yeah you gotta make sure you get the baby spoon yeah I know you're missing a stirrer whoo I don't use straws anymore actually
00:04:25| oh that's so delicious that's good then I don't remember man white Russians are delicious don't drink folks and prevent college hmm so some people escape using alcohol
00:04:54| drugs or medications that make them happy I don't know if that's a good idea it's probably better I did I did yeah yet when we start with the definition here sure let's do the definition even
00:05:11| though I didn't want to bring up something that makes me not want to escape my life sure escapism is the avoidance of unpleasant boring arduous scary or banal aspects of daily life
00:05:21| daily life it can also be used as a term to define the actions people take to relieve persistent feelings of depression or general sadness aka daily life that's gonna be reiterated a lot of
00:05:40| day today the mundane the boring huh Wow interesting so you tell me anything I do to distract myself from my own life is escapism that extra minute you spend on the toilet
00:05:54| stall escape us yeah what about when I'm playing a video game mmm how long you been playing the game do you play it to get away no like 10 hours a day
00:06:07| are you learning and having fun and growing and being stimulated I mean it's a sex game but I played 10 hours a day yeah I'd say I'm pretty gorgeous by the end is that escaped a police have you
00:06:22| heavily stimulated I'm Damon mm-hm I don't want to talk about your penis cuz I aren't all video games escapism Arnall movies escapism if we break it down isn't everything escapism pretty
00:06:38| much it is survival yeah I mean it's survival it's escapist is that what you're getting at how many people escape to their daily life none right yeah I can't wait to take the daily commute oh
00:06:49| man this is let me get over Oh wake me up before you go-go yeah I don't know those words that's why I didn't want to sing them but if I kept singing I would have had them it would have came out of
00:07:05| nowhere huh just like Nick just like me but there's yeah there's a good nabad so you're my definition of playing video games usually it's a good version of escapism whereas the bad it's for other
00:07:23| people all other people weird so I just will give you my smirk not a smile no it's a spot oh god that's good go ahead so I shave guys it's like razor burn because I never shave all the way
00:07:42| yeah did you use um white what we call it Oh Joe whatever yeah but it's like a really old electric breast milk yeah yeah Brett spell that'll that'll ease the rash I
00:07:54| use it for everything they probably would you get some boobie milk yeah black market here we come black market baby so I never shave all the way to the to the skin mm-hmm I always just kind of
00:08:09| do the whole trim it down to like here so it's like five o'clock shadow all the time yeah you're trying to be an ultra smooth trying to be ultra smooth have the
00:08:19| follow-up interview we know we talk about job interviews you should done laser hair removal I should have except that I never would grown it back ultra smooth I'll just for
00:08:30| like yeah but I went to UM CVS because right before this podcast started I realized I didn't have computer paper that I needed a computer paper to quit my resume
00:08:41| ray I raised you man that's what's gonna raise Umi um so I went to CVS and young girl like twenty four twenty over there mm-hmm sorry yeah they could tell like she was
00:08:54| like just finishing school yeah you know educate it a little bit asian-american cute but especially a couple jokes to her say well you want me to help you with a toothbrush I was just
00:09:06| being nice she left and then I said anyway I got my stuff because she said call me when you're ready to bring up cuz she thanked I'm so went over and like she was like
00:09:16| flustered and I just learned to give her my stuff and she said oh my god and your hair is that natural I said no no or did you dye that and I said no no it's natural she said Wow and I was like
00:09:31| Dylan says Wow I think she's wooing me here she I said touch it now and then I said I used to be a camp counselor of five-year-olds and I told them that was bird poop
00:09:42| and they called me canceller bird poop historia he called me Nicky bird booboo but you know I didn't need to tell her my first name hmm
00:09:52| and she left and she said anyway the total comes or whatever and I handed her the bills and she has punched the button and she hit enter and register open and she closed it and she had a manatee
00:10:03| she's like have a great day I was like whoa whoa I was like I was like do I get my change and she was like oh my god I'm sorry I did you like it she was like I'm so I was like oh so I'm taking credit
00:10:20| for it but she must not have been able to see my bumps here here's my looking at yeah yeah Wow flustered her up dude she she didn't give me change she's totally closed the
00:10:30| drawer and smiled at me and I was like unbelievable that never happens in so that brings us to our second most biggest escapist strategy is women people believe that
00:10:43| women are in love with them and they're in love with the idea of women which brings me to my smirk mmm fellas you ever been sleep in there mind your own business Bremen sleeping
00:10:57| doing whatever the hell it is one more asleep mm-hmm breast milk man I know can't stop and you're just sitting there you're dreaming you're doing whatever it's like 2:00 a.m. and your girl wakes
00:11:12| you up what are you doing I said I'm sleeping something wrong yeah you you're wiping the stuff that your eyes was you're wrong trying to get trying to talk going no
00:11:21| anyway she says no and then you're back to sleep whatever no big deal so then you wake up for your alarm clock you gotta go to work call the wall and she rolls over and she says who's Moira and
00:11:33| I was like uh Maura I was like excuse me she kept saying Maura and you were pleased with her in your sleep and I was like ah I don't even know a Maura like I don't know was it Italian was I saying
00:11:49| I'm Maura ha ha maybe and then I said maybe it's the overwatch character Moira cuz I've been playing overwatch but I was like and I tried to explain this to her I was
00:11:58| like but I never pick Moira all the girls to the right like the attack women I've never picked them like I pick Farrow and I was trying to explain this to her like 6 a.m. I was like I'll pick
00:12:09| Barrow and Bridget but did I don't pick Moira and the sniper girl and the other girl and there's another girl I really never picked up there just I would never even be them that's a waste of my time
00:12:18| and she was like okay it's got to be wrong anyway she was mad at me and I was like all right see you babe it's just mm-hmm for a name in your sleep yeah maybe a name in my sleep I don't
00:12:35| even know but that reminded me of um my favorite thing of like sitcoms ever is like if like a guy in a girl there sleeping next to each other and the the girl's awake and a guy smiling and he
00:12:46| says the girl's name and she whacks him real hard uh-huh he's like what I do and she's like you know what you did it's like another woman what happened here so that's my smirk
00:13:00| women okay women am i right guys mm-hmm I'm right guys we need to talk about that in the future episode women we're gonna get in trouble let's just do an episode where we literally
00:13:13| get broken up with we break up with our women at the same time well we we say the worst things we could and then like by the end of the episode we're like well cousin Erfurt yeah I've got three
00:13:26| months before she breaks up with me for this area hmm sorry my smirk inspire both about women so yeah it's good escape one of which is it real and one of which works
00:13:41| with CBS I guess one you yeah I guess to you escape to and one you escape from I guess so I guess that breast milk yeah that's that breast milk delicious so you were sleeping I guess that's one escape
00:13:56| from life but everyone needs to sleep natural can't escape that's part of life that's not gonna end of bed it's an escapist strategy oh is it yeah same with them sounds a lot like
00:14:09| depression yeah well they link it together for some reason but people like who wrote uh children's novels I want to say Louie CK but that's not right CS Lucas yeah like not the other Louis
00:14:29| nothing a Louis black no no I think he might have actually though but he I mean he was making fun of the remarks that it was negative he was saying that it's animagus it's a creative expression of
00:14:41| reality so it's it's an essential it kind of it is I mean you have to imagine that's why kids imagine think of all the games and things kids play with it's all imagination you don't have imagination
00:14:55| you don't go somewhere else you will be sucked dry of this boring awful reality we call life right yeah I like to think that my child is only two but it probably continues until they're like at
00:15:07| least 12 but they have no idea of what reality is so their entire existence is xscape like they don't until they are old enough to have a kid think of that
00:15:16| you're a child until you you have a child I mean not really but think of how if you could go back in time to when you didn't have a kid let's take five six years ago with the
00:15:29| knowledge and everything in your brain right now and you did it like you don't have a choice you just went back and you did it and now you don't have a kid responsibility so how much free time in
00:15:39| like just waste of time I've waste so much time doing BS nothing who cares it would be awesome wouldn't it you can just leave the house whenever you want
00:15:48| it is dried somewhere not worried about anything how crazy is that until the next morning when you have to go to your job which is the next responsibility after children yeah it kind of is a
00:16:03| ghost job children well you get the job first and then you stop clinking your breast milk thing then it's just we can't focus for me I know it is there's the strike that I hope people see that
00:16:13| on the stream there's three that all right oh yeah so I've ever seen Walter Mitty secret life of walter mitty I had that was actually a well done movie yeah I like to quite pin I didn't love the
00:16:29| movie but it was well done and I liked you know no idea of it he's an escapist a dreamer who can't focus on reality yeah I like that version this as a kid I used to daydream all the time just to
00:16:46| get out of the monotony like on the bus to school here what was your daydream on the bus it was I think it was last action hero where they were like Karate Kid con us right
00:17:00| we're what I'm trying to bear what you're like the character in it the kid was like he was doing like karate part of it right and I would imagine him running beside the bus and doing karate
00:17:11| kicks and stuff like to nobody to me how he's just showing off because I was on the bus to school I'm work way cooler what's here well we had church back in ransom I'll tell you then I think that
00:17:27| Jesus would come off the cross no they had the real big thing behind the tabernacle that was like 30 feet high and things like made of a fall down cross the priest no I imagine terrorists
00:17:40| broke in through the sky that's the best rappel down ropes and in their bed guns like super machine guns they would try and it would come from the accents behind us and they would repel dalit big
00:17:52| Jesus statue and it would just scream and everybody to get down and I always figured away because with there's like would get down and crawl and find my way back to like one of the exits back there
00:18:06| thanks for kicking some terrorist ass one at a time and then like maybe I get a gun I'm giving a loft area you start playing the organ and firing bullets a little bit like die hard I guess was
00:18:17| that too young seen die hard there's no Aaron Twitter he loud it hurt mmm-hmm maybe I create a die hard in my head or my heart maybe did you have the one
00:18:28| where like water was coming from the floor and you had to find an escape do you think about that one not a lot but sometimes sometimes you have a fear of drowning maybe or the one where like the
00:18:40| house is no longer vertical it's like on its side it's like rotating oh that's a cool and that's cool that's going we used to pretend even just playing outside games with the other kids
00:18:53| mm-hmm like the floor is lava tag or men huh no no like just a game that already has rules manhunt or cops and robbers or tag or any of those kind of games that you're hiding like uh yeah like in a
00:19:07| real deep brush you're like camouflaged in your head like you don't I mean like you're Rambo or uh yeah a little bit yeah predator and you I mean I killed like six kids
00:19:18| it was my grandmom's neighbors I snapped their necks as a very strong a six-year-old yeah I mean I was really strong and I was in the moment when the judge approached me I said escapism he
00:19:31| said it's no big deal happens they let me get Escapist shout out judge Wapner ha that's the way back before Judge Judy I think she hates men I don't know
00:19:50| she does she does how she I mean she Joe say to young people which I kind of do too now she hates her anyone who's not her Andy that's a good point she's old and a
00:20:02| woman and she hates idiot she's probably I'm not saying she's an old woman but she likes older people and women and people weren't dopes yes yes yes
00:20:15| yeah I saw the funniest downing note that came up on a podcast there's a Judge Judy clip where a defendant and they're like 2530 range and it's my ex-boyfriend I kicked them out I need
00:20:31| money for the friend he took the car blah blah blah and she says well how does it implicate that he's your ex how long have you guys been separated I don't understand you're living together
00:20:40| and she says well we ain't been together and over a year judge I just wanted to pay this bill and uh she looks at them both and she says when's the last time you both did the whoopee or she says
00:20:55| something like old for when you guys had sex you know rock company yeah the funniest thing is he he just looks at the judge he look at her he goes this morning and she's like just know what to
00:21:09| say because it must have been like a spur of the moment like heated passion thing that totally just ran her over with a bus she's like yeah look that clip up
00:21:20| but I don't know how you would look it up but it'll be good for all the for the audience when they I'm free I'm sure I can add a link if it's copyright free but I doubt it's copyright free she's
00:21:29| making a boatload of money and that's probably where it comes from suckers planner clips on podcasts well then we ain't don't even look it up we know dum-dums we ain't getting bringing
00:21:40| it or her court you imagine new idiots are you recording this yeah those basements get a job what was the last time you - alright so scape isms crazy because it's good but it's also
00:22:04| bad depends how how you using the escapism so like when I was 14 15 I really had nothing to do so I played a game called EverQuest in EverQuest mm-hmm
00:22:15| it gave a structure where you could build your character but that didn't that's endless and then there's some social aspect to it but really not really you don't really
00:22:26| it was just typing but the best parts about it the parts I really gravitated gravitated to where the so the levels were like really in-depth and there are some that had like mazes in the very
00:22:37| beginning and you have to figure out the maze in order to get to the next level like the next area and then choose really like deep within something or hidden away or it was just like isolated
00:22:47| so I really gravitated to those areas and just spend most of my time like underneath like stories of dirt or like in a faraway courtyard that no one else has ever went to I found my level piece
00:22:59| my little island hmm see I never played so I don't understand the format or whatever I'd like to in my brain see how it plays out I have to see it that's like I could be role playing game where
00:23:10| you just kill stuff and pick up the items but it was like a very person third person like what was it good switch between them you were essentially a warrior and you just run around
00:23:22| killing stuff so you can go any little levels and like you're supposed to gather up things and screw that I would just like go to one spot and kill the same thing over and over again cuz I
00:23:31| felt really comfortable there and nobody can get in my safe spot it's my secret place your escapism mmm-hmm interesting I do learn a lot in video games so wonder if I do that in
00:23:45| video games I don't know that other people do that like I would find the nook and cranny like there was mix and crannies so there's a there's like different name oh my god books in 83 it
00:23:57| crooks and nannies would be my new if you're going to a pub and you play quiz Oh quiz Oh group named Brooks and nannies anything like that I'm sorry that's okay so I'd find like little
00:24:09| areas they were just like you get away that's all there's no way I can explain it there's no way I could share my feelings for it because it was just like a personal space as I had to be able to
00:24:19| see the world without people actually getting to me and I just like watch them go by I like it yeah like English muffin Oh gaming what does that mean looks and crannies Oh LexA crying ow yeah I got my
00:24:38| question to you is what do you escape from what did you escape from whenever younger just boring stuff I guess whether you're smart or dumb or athletic or unathletic or tall or fat or
00:24:55| whatever like you kind of start to figure out that maybe life sorta is monotonous and sucky oftentimes because no matter what you are you're not everything like you can't be in the back
00:25:10| lub can't be in the Athletic Club you can't be cool you can't be rich you can't be in the poor kids they hate the rich kids you can't be in every group at once so you're you're gonna kind of be
00:25:20| excluded you're gonna kind of find yourself on the outside in a lot of scenarios in life I mean and you co agree you could do the status quo and just join the one or two or three
00:25:33| groups that really define you but I find that boring too yeah I guess one of my goals in life is to do everything so I yeah I would love to do more things I might not be extremely proficient at
00:25:45| certain things but I still experience them and try to be able to yeah try it do it maybe get good a little good at it you don't think it great at it but you know mm-hmm but I think that's what this
00:25:56| case of escapism is kind of about it's about getting old off the beaten path it's about trying something different like immersing yourself in a different environment or
00:26:05| going to a different place yeah because what else is life I mean really serious people who are fairly boring can be very successful and lead important eyes and do good things
00:26:18| but I I couldn't do that so like a CEO of a company that's an asshole he made it himself an asshole to get up there the season.they asshole well let's say he's pretty boring he's yeah and he
00:26:31| never did Andy weir his happiness is not that mm-hmm that work thing soulless he's never immersed himself in a different experience yeah people with that imagination are
00:26:43| kind of weird I don't like it I see that every day where there's a woman in my office that never looks up when I walk past her and I think to myself like ever is that is that me I mean but it's gotta
00:26:57| be her like there's gotta be like why would you never acknowledge people you're in you're either in your own little world escaping or you are so present in your world that you can't
00:27:07| deal with your anxieties so you're you're I guess you're escaping by looking down not acknowledging the question is there a possibility she's more imaginative than both of us and
00:27:18| she's pretending she's elsewhere while she's at her desk she's crap yeah it's maybe it's my yeah I got it but what's assume it's possible then would it go to say that everyone is
00:27:30| equally as imaginative they just do it in different ways no ways that other people can't pick up they don't perceive I don't know like it's a really dumb jock who's like for the game a real guru
00:27:44| he's really imaginative about how football feels or looks yeah all the things that I will never be able to imagine he's like he just like how do you think I could I'm gonna bring up Tom
00:27:59| Brady because he has won several Super Bowls be one do you think he he knows a football better than other people like he must have a sense of the football that other people just don't
00:28:10| have I guess so I mean if you do something you know you have weird senses that you don't plan on he actually probably has weird senses about pressure coming from different directions so like
00:28:22| win all three seconds know like pressure from other team but without looking he can almost tell by the sound of the cleats and maybe his own offensive lineman that someone's
00:28:34| breaking through the line and maybe has a hand near the back of them there's no way you can see that hand and I almost feel it yeah a little bit just from a million different cues that he might not
00:28:45| even be aware of and he knows I just got to dump the ball or I got to get rid of it or my safety valve or I got to do whatever there's stuff like that I think that comes with doing something
00:28:54| proficient for a long amount of time you pick up on subtle cues you're not even aware of now is that escapism why we gotta do it yeah I don't think that's escapism but that's it's not but it's I
00:29:08| guess the way people perceive things in the perception of other people people's escapes yeah I can see that I think that also goes with the negativity associated with escapism is that I mean the people
00:29:20| that are withdrawn maybe they're not feeling good maybe they're not happy but I mean I could be perceived as a Wallflower and withdrawn until you really start talking to me and then it's
00:29:30| like oh he's fine like what why did I ever think he was crazy and then I knew he was insane mmm but you could be completely like normal is a weird word to use because no one is
00:29:51| actually normal but I mean you could be completely harmless and enjoying life and people could perceive the wrong thing just because you're not actively engaged in whatever stupid thing they're
00:30:02| doing there's a thing with kids nowadays I find even my own son mm-hmm it's like there's an escapist thing here where they want to watch their favorite movie show iPad whatever because familiar used
00:30:18| to yeah well the don't watching cars again Eddie I don't watch cars how much cars you just watch cars why do you want to watch cars again cars I can
00:30:27| only say cars one and three that's all we got oh you don't got to I need to get to please mysteries or something save me for the record - was a deviation of the
00:30:42| series and it went off on mater focuses on mater and it's really bad but it's fun I mean it's just something different I'm not watching any of them for their movie value uh I wonder if I took a
00:30:55| picture of Lightning McQueen and just went and I just like had it left and right with the kid buy it know they'd figure it out play cars maybe like yeah daddy but it's not cars it's different
00:31:08| it's different shut up but anyway they arm when I was a kid which is expression that sounds stupid when you say it but when you really think about it I mean I couldn't
00:31:22| control when was on what was on when like you don't I mean yeah can to open up TV Guide to Turtles I need to wait to figure out when the turtles were on and then wasn't just a rerun which it was
00:31:38| you know your impulses were squashed you couldn't you couldn't get immediate gratification that's what the one you're the if I if I could have I'm sure I would have been a turn out to be a jerk
00:31:49| or whatever but now this generation kind of is immediately grabbed by I hit a button that starts to show up or the movie up almost any movie they want does that make them more likely to be
00:32:02| escapists or less likely since they experience it because they be they want to go back to it like if they want to watch it eight times and then like later on you're like hey let's go do something
00:32:12| else and they were like hey I want to do X or Y and you're like oh well we did X or Y why do you want to do that again well because it's their favorite and they have a choice they think hmmm I
00:32:24| mean sometimes you have to just stop them but do you think you naturally burn out so this is the video game thing is that there are many video games that I played that were essentially endless
00:32:34| like clash of clans so you could keep playing clash of clans as long as you damn right please and you would never beat the game you would never haven't finished the same thing but EverQuest
00:32:43| you pro you could never beat it there's no ending of Cal if Callie's watching right now do you think he's still playing uh he is still playing I'm guarantee I
00:32:53| okay now you do yeah every every few months we don't see you no no I don't join I don't join back into that group I don't want to get addicted to it so how do you have you just looked at the I
00:33:05| like to see like if they have a little a if they ever if they're rated that means they've played recently within the last like month or something nice they're all rated that's pretty cool yeah so there's
00:33:17| a there's a piece of it that like you binder the game that you're building yourself which is really fake if it's a facade it's really for all games are fake if you won't bring it down bullets
00:33:27| yeah yeah in this particular way it's endless so it's really really if sight MIDI King returns yeah you could say there's a social aspect to it which there definitely is there's an enjoyable
00:33:38| we until we left and then there's the piece where you're just doing it because it's a compulsion and the compulsion part is where it's not good for you so you hear the music
00:33:52| thought the music is addictive the colors are very bright like even if you're I remember trying to fall asleep and like looking at the game and I'd wake up immediately
00:34:00| cuz it was like bright green you had like Birds flitting and like golden whatever mmm you would immediately be sucked into the game and you'd be taken to a different
00:34:09| place wavelengths baby mmm yeah I guess that's bad because you're you're also um doing it because you've already been doing it yeah I think I'd play but so much into man I can't stop now hey good
00:34:24| idea I played EverQuest for over a hundred days like the time spent on that game while actually playing it 100 days worth so that is literally to work it out
00:34:35| that's you say in 24 thousand hours uh twenty four thousand what is ten days and hours is that a hundred days 100 days in yeah to 2400 hours you said 100 okay 24 he had 2,400 yeah hours so
00:34:52| that's I'm gonna do some math here if you had four hours a day let's say two hours a day because that's more realistic and I'm gonna text and panders are live
00:35:03| I'm great it's good so that is three it's almost three and a half years of playing the game two hours a day every day that's a bit excessive yeah yeah that's a bit well if you're gleaming
00:35:19| something from it I mean the how is is it more damaging than working a job seven hours a day for five days a week think of that well a job at that age so this is the this is the key that makes
00:35:32| it fair Nate yeah I could have worked that much time in a job that paid me six bucks an hour and that would be completely worthless I would have actually I don't think I would have been
00:35:42| influenced by games by programming by logically thinking things through planning because like the way I played that game was mechanical in a way because I played it so much that I would
00:35:53| like set timers timers would go off I jump on just so I could jump kill this one thing and like it would the game manipulated me to do that but it also made me more machine like which is my
00:36:05| end goal in life so is so what you were doing is really gaming the game but Dave that you could game the game so it was kind of a stalemate we're both doing the max if you're both maximizing each other
00:36:21| yeah but there's a point where I realized that there was no point to continuing so like there was a period probably I should have stopped earlier but the escapists in me wanted to just
00:36:31| keep playing and up until the time where I got my I think my license I kept going and then stopped because I said there's other parts of life no I mean being good at something is a feeling unto itself
00:36:46| like that's true he's playing playing a musical instrument escapist I definitely think so I don't because you can get better at it and I don't find that to be a diminishing qua like I find that to be
00:36:58| soothing it's almost like doing a mantra or going like it when yogurt or something exemplary quality I think that's a good quality for a person to have like I don't look at someone
00:37:07| necessarily who could put a hundred hours into a video game that's like a good quality I'm not like uh he must be good person he put over a hundred hours in EverQuest and this
00:37:17| might be a weird prejudice on my part because I never played EverQuest mmm but then I look at it someone's like ah dude I'm really good at guitar I'm like are you and he's like yeah like I
00:37:27| can play any names a bunch of things I'm like ah he's a good dude and I'm not sure why I think that way because there's no logical reason you don't I mean it's just because people are in the
00:37:36| same vein as you that you favor them right oh really I just favored anyone who does this stuff I do there is a peace that comes with playing guitar and bass and musical instruments because
00:37:48| there's a room a residence I'll say the resonance is there that you're give a feedback if you're feeling it throughout your body what you're doing so there's a there's there's something like
00:38:02| subliminal there that makes you happy when you're playing an instrument and you could give that to other people video game you can't really give it to other people right music maybe is a
00:38:12| language I guess yeah you can speak with other people video game is but to a lesser extent maybe definitely not back then maybe now it is it's a language you can share and
00:38:24| be social you can be social on a level that's equivalent to what we're doing now in a video game but back 20 years ago you could do that at all there's no way you could have
00:38:33| video audio discussions none of that existed I just I just keep coming back to what the escapism ultimately it's just getting away from life and whether it's video games or not so do you have
00:38:50| like two people that go on vacation and they hype up vacation you're mostly men right and you're often you're your business I get that from a lot of women in the office they get so excited about
00:39:03| going someplace or I just like women here like countdown for like nine months when they're going to like let's say or yeah I'll sure someplace random it and I don't feel that way about going places I
00:39:18| think it's cool but I don't right not like super excited to go anywhere I'm just not happy I think it is and I don't know why it's different for some people that
00:39:28| they have like a wonder lust for searching out places experiencing the world I mean I understand it's understandable but another another sense it makes no sense at all because it
00:39:39| doesn't PC it doesn't bring PC you you just you could see it in other ways and not have to go there and stand there and pretend like you're part of the society I guess what we run into then is that
00:39:50| someone could say the same thing about your escape isms uh-huh fine someone else's cuz really with someone asked me what does it get you playing clash plans they'll be like no some fun kills time
00:40:03| makes me feel something that's not the drudge of life I don't know something hidden something you can control it's also a community it's nice being part of a different community yeah I'm
00:40:18| hungry have you ever been in a super secret community a secret community what was that bloodsucker vampire community his people man Eriksson
00:40:29| creeper yeah now have you ever been in a situation blood where you didn't want to be like a freshman year I was in a dorm room with a guy that was a little bit off-kilter
00:40:39| and he was like in the middle of the night he'd like screaming his girlfriend on the phone and I was just like this isn't gonna work like three months in I need like I need to escape from this
00:40:48| damn room and I did but before that I used to go out and just drink just get out just do something else because I couldn't stand being in that room didn't wanted me to
00:40:59| they're weird yeah that sucks I guess that's an escapism quite literally yeah and that's the only time my life has been poor you know like the baseline of life is having to deal with
00:41:11| something that's just completely shitty and I for other people that have shitty environments that they grew up in and like persisted I can't imagine what life is for them and how they escape from
00:41:22| like their abuse or their alcoholism or other things that the line I even know and drink a lot of people do and there's so many different ways I guess relieve stress like someone on cigarette
00:41:33| yeah it's look cigarettes most of them are room vices I guess it's weird there's like this blurring line between vice and hobby it's true if you're good at it it's not a vice well
00:41:48| you're terrible at it yeah but if you were really good at cigarettes do you think somebody like that's his hobby okay he just flicks them around you give low smoke ranks I
00:41:57| mean people are impressed by people who can blow crazy smoke rings though are those people are lay like he has a vice or like he's a great hobby huh he's incredible he uses all natural smoke so
00:42:09| doesn't Kim cancer mm-hmm still we'll probably that's another aspect though is that if you're and if you're really in deep in something you understand it better than most people so that's a
00:42:22| chance for you to actually improve upon it to learn from it and maybe even build a business or be successful in life if you wrote delved into something really deep if not making connection in that
00:42:32| network you know you're one of the best EverQuest players the world by chance your fortune 500 company boss is in EverQuest and you just happen to drop it and you're like ah you both like touch
00:42:45| fingers you're like ding hundreds of hours hundreds yeah could move you through life you could be successful just because you wasted time doing something that someone else enjoyed
00:42:57| that's very true it's weird yeah do you think I've read something that people think dreams are an escapist thing not likes lead dreams themselves that so though when you're dreaming while you're
00:43:14| sleeping you're thinking of things that allow you to escape your normal life yeah it was a theory I don't know that I buy into it because I don't I don't think I can control my dreams at all I
00:43:25| know they talk about lucid dreaming and all that here's another crazy thing how does your brain know what it feels like to fly it takes every time you've jumped and just magnifies that falling feeling
00:43:37| it's kinda it's different about breathing underwater or going through walls and dream or being in two places at once or like all that stuff because you can kind of feel that and dreams I
00:43:48| feel like and I don't know what baseline to base it against so I guess I don't know if that's really how it feels but that's interesting in your brain do you think it company most of your dreams
00:44:00| start off in places that you already know so that it's probably starting from a basis of like you're sitting at your desk you know exactly how that feels like and it starts to tilt and shifts so
00:44:10| that it's like it's no longer that place or that feeling or that sense it's exploring I think your your mind is exploring what the possibilities are I think so that's why I don't think I can
00:44:19| control it they're just kind of moving around on whatever direction it feels like or wants to or is not used to maybe it's being viable or something hmm a weird question though is so if you can
00:44:30| figure out what flying is here is your brain already hardwired to experience every sensation or every feeling it for like the possibility is there to feel something yeah like like could I know
00:44:45| what it's like to conduct the symphony to the utmost and like move on with emotions and then hear the audience were like do I already have that built into me where I would know what that feels
00:44:55| like I mean to successfully conduct an organ Orchestra how would you know that beforehand how it feels yeah do you think it would feel like everything else
00:45:04| like if you were super successful in every field that it would start to feel the same regardless of what you were doing because because think of what you do it's repetition didn't we say mastery
00:45:14| of a thing is like hundreds of hours did something for 10,000 hours you don't even feel it anymore you kind of escape it if you do you're skipping over the parts that are boring
00:45:30| and then your brain can focus on the things that can make it creative and better mm-hmm I would argue it's actually focusing on the boring parts and just getting better at them like you
00:45:40| figure out how to turn it into a video game and just beat the easy parts kind of well you have a sequence I feel like your brain takes over for like a sequence of 10 things and then like
00:45:50| there's another layer that like takes those 10 things and start shuffling them around try to eliminate one of them or make them so you can do them in parallel or maybe they fit together in less
00:45:58| certain time or faster or something yeah it's possible I don't know they're just thinking about that why who knows yeah and what I was gonna get into a little bit is how is looking at art escapism I
00:46:15| think it is so there were certain people with up not so others yeah that I do have art in my house that I didn't talk about in a previous episode mmm so all I have I have a lot of movie
00:46:27| posters because I think they're cool but they don't really they bring me back to the movie which doesn't really bring me back to anywhere the ones that I associate an aesthetic to a sensation to
00:46:36| are the ones that are like they remind me of things when I was younger like a lot of like the pathways to water like I have multiple pictures of like a bridge over water or like a pathway on the sand
00:46:49| or like a little like wooden path over a bog or something they all remind me of happiness because it reminds me of a place I went to when I was younger on the beach with all my cousin's we don't
00:47:01| get together and go to this one house and have a nice long walk way down to the beach a very unique walkway so you're not seeing the bog when you see the bog or whatever no in a bridge well
00:47:14| I've never been the place in the picture right right in the picture the painting there it is yeah does that feel the Whittenburg words yeah I feel the wooden boards of that of
00:47:23| that beach house I'm running down that beach house going to play in the sand and build a castle with my cousins that's what I feel well here's a crazy thought picture yourself running on
00:47:33| these beach boards at the old house you went to mm-hmm are you 100% sure you really ran like you even are remembering it like the exact steps did you land on the boards
00:47:43| you're remembering like where your cousins were exactly where they were or is it kind of it's made up to isn't it a little bit the one thing I can feel is like the texture of the boards on my
00:47:53| feet my bare feet mm-hmm I don't know how fast I was going or who was with me but that texture is like rent it you're running and you're yeah well part of that is like the Hollywood you're
00:48:03| laughing and giggling and everyone's running with you and in that weird though that even your memory is a little thing that's you but you can you can definitely remember
00:48:12| the texture it's like Hollywood is implanting a way to escape in your Bryant brain so that you're happy let's say you never saw a Hollywood movie ever do you think you would remember like
00:48:21| that I don't know things would get a little blurry right you believe it would a certain way to you I think you have to remember complete you can't remember blurry to brain fills in the blanks and
00:48:34| like we said because the Hollywood you kind of fill it in happy smiling while you're running and all that yeah but but but if it weren't probably when you would still probably have to fill it in
00:48:43| what would you fill it in with you frowning slowly slogging along is like I don't know I'd be interested to do that study on someone we don't let them watch any
00:48:54| movies in Hollywood which is a bunch of perverts anyway just want to do that it's dead yeah there's like a high V hurry Harvey ah disgusting
00:49:07| I created named Point Stein Winans died whining kids as we call it whining women hmm anyway just some weird stuff that your brain pulls tricks on you what are you trying to escape
00:49:22| yeah Duty paintings yourself that you use to escape vignettes maybe now I feel like I look at old pictures sometimes I think they're cool but that's not in mark per se that's moving like that's I
00:49:37| remember directly I guess so our parents have this thing about like photo albums and capturing things and getting people together photo albums do you think they do that because they can't remember
00:49:46| themselves they're trying to escape to memories they can't remember so they make you stand in one place we'll take a photo of you and I can look at it so I can remember this moment because it was
00:49:56| a happy moment yeah 100% only was I'm like 30 and I could barely remember things from when I was five and seven exactly it gets scarier probably as you're older and you only remember
00:50:05| the last ten maybe five years really honestly probably remember less than that if you think about it right so maybe their version of escapism is remembering the past which is not real
00:50:17| anymore so they make photo albums and check Facebook Instagram is a real you can't deny a photo you know I mean that's already bounced off our bodies came back to the camera lens exactly
00:50:29| like that there's nothing live there mm-hmm I don't know what happened the second before the second after the rest that day the rest of that year I dunno in
00:50:37| that second that millisecond that was captured that was real right yeah interesting weird I did want to bring up a couple key terms for us sure there are a little bit about weird emotions you
00:50:55| can get in your brain oh there aren't regular emotions not like I'm happy I'm sad I'm killing your girls on this one or is it's probably a feeling I probably it's I touched someone in a previous
00:51:09| episode I didn't realize it had a name it's that feeling when you're really high up and like if I jumped you're gonna fall if it driving along the real narrow area not that you're gonna fall
00:51:22| that you want to fall a little bit hmm I don't get that feeling it's a feeling that I'm not balanced I'm imbalanced well bad bad that'll happen too I think it's all related the other one
00:51:31| like have you ever felt like if you're on a really narrow bridge or something really high up or something like there's in your head you're like I could just swerve left as hard as I could and this
00:51:42| whole thing will go over and everyone be dead I'm gonna finish game over yes you know it's called lapel do lead lapel the bead mmm call of the void huh call uncle avoid anyway it's I think
00:52:00| it's your brain like if you're on a train you're right above the the train tracks and it's ready to come and you just think you know I could push someone
00:52:07| right now or I can jump right out of it and it was just little glittery mane it's a little bit of escapism because that's the opposite of what you're doing with your day-to-day life it's the
00:52:18| opposite of every instinct you have it's just a weird thing we're like you're like yeah I don't step in front of a moving train or a car or jump up a cliff but your brain is like what if he did
00:52:29| and you're like you think about it for second whoa it's like one of those classic people that are trying to jump off a bridge but when jump they actually grabbed the bridge
00:52:39| they're like holding only their brain doesn't let them like it tries to and it's like no they can't you can't really do this right what are your a cool one the other brain
00:52:54| feeling it's called a one book a one bus only only native to Albany Guinea okay they must have crazy houseguests so when your house guests come over you have to invite them in you have to let them use
00:53:07| their amenities you have to let them live their life sometimes to stay for one two days whatever they're loud obnoxious it's crazy they ruin your house there's furniture everywhere they
00:53:15| trip over things they pee on things like the house guests are the worst they're after 24 48 58 72 hours they leave and there's an emptiness in your house that they have a word for a wambach like that
00:53:29| word emptiness of the house I felt this right after college the first year there yeah now the second year of college when I spent well I'm not trying to get these people to leave for how long and now
00:53:40| it's so empty so do you know what they do to get rid of a wambach there's a remedy it's a bowl oh there is this will work they place a bowl of water hot water boil water right in the middle of
00:53:51| the hut they let it sit overnight the night that everyone leaves and in the morning the whole family gets up they take the water outside it absorbs all that all that energy event see that
00:54:02| doesn't work in the trees it works have you ever tried it I take a dump right in the middle of a one buck water entire to your presence right I get that feeling with my roommate in college the second
00:54:17| year when everyone leaves for that that summer after you've been together for so long I mean there's a bond there that you don't even realize is building up incremental e-noying there whatever yeah
00:54:29| they know when they're going really you could feel that immediately when that person's gone and just what my life just changed I think it's it's powerful my next word is a links links hi Li and
00:54:45| x-link it's a strange excitement for destruction it's like a normal organized man he's walking by and no one's around he kicks over a tiny recycle bin just because he
00:54:58| wants to do it I get this for fire alarms I always want to hit a fire alarm yeah you just feel like why not because I don't know it's like you're not supposed
00:55:08| to uh-huh I called the wild but it's not like murder someone it's usually something trivial mm-hmm yeah oh that you're really gonna care if I pull a
00:55:19| fire alarm I want to see like water gushing from the ceiling and everyone running thinking it's a real fire that's excitement right there but it's harmless excitement for the most part unless
00:55:30| people injure themselves so that's great here's what I'm gonna pronounce right go copy you okay anyway it's a feeling of homesickness for a place you've never visited Wow I
00:55:51| don't they seem like nobody say they have no Irish we'll get this why if you were born in America it's like a desire to visit the homeland like you want to go back to Ireland like so I'm here
00:56:02| there's like I'm making up totally at the different grapes of wrath' I think I know what song it was but it's either was a battle and back to battle him it was a battle him but it was not the
00:56:16| right one yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah exactly so I'm part Irish in part polish I think it would be cool to visit there but I don't think that I you know have an essence you don't feel sometimes in
00:56:34| the air the one thing I do know is that I'm attracted to Irish and Polish women so I'm pretty sure I'd be happy there it's a weird I guess this is genetic pheromones are in sync weird I guess so
00:56:48| how about pronoia is that like paranoia but the opposite you love being thing no you have this weird unsaid creeping suspicion that people are out to help ah that new job opening is
00:57:24| available Steven come get your job opening Steven like I was expecting that thank you do I found some money on the ground it's obviously not mine would you like
00:57:37| it would you like it it's for you everything's for you oh thank you thanks I think you almost want bad things to happen to you I guess that's that's the word of the podcast I think pronoia I
00:57:54| could see like the dumbass being that way he thinks everything's gonna work out so he's like oh that's fantastic it's like she died in front of me what do you mean there's like it's meant to
00:58:05| happen it's there's a reason for it because of reason it's beautiful and lastly I didn't write everything down but the the last one was called Porsche loss panic torch the horses panic that
00:58:19| sounds like a Russian word I think it was German it might have been Porsche Porsche less panic it's a life is passing you by the sands of time or slipping away you're very panicky oh
00:58:31| this was just happening at random midlife crisis yeah a little bit tough that I I think that's gonna happen at any point your life and brains and stand have to go real quick I have been I
00:58:44| haven't accomplished enough oh my god I haven't done this but today I have two job interview tomorrow oh my god hmm I understand you do better people feel stuck in one place they feel
00:58:57| like they haven't done enough I don't know what you could do to feel like you've done enough though Torche lapaki well what's interesting is if I think of all of these words we just described and
00:59:08| all this escapism we were talking about earlier those are the fears if I told you you were on a roller coaster but the roller coaster was a straight it was just a damn ride and it started
00:59:20| here and you were trapped in when does it end to here ended like that would be extremely boring extremely weird extremely neurotic extremely I don't think you could live that way you want
00:59:35| the ups and downs to feel some meaning some power some need it you need better pretend you resin to create fears you gotta create feelings you got to create escapes you want to go left I wanna go
00:59:48| right I want to go up want to go down I'll go backwards a little bit on a freeze time or a speed-up on a slow down but ultimately I mean you're still moving along that track to the end it's
00:59:59| because it's unsettling do you think people create their own phobias so that they can feel that emotion why not catch-22 had Dunbar my favorite character of all I forget what his I
01:00:12| mean I remember Dunbar be cultivating boredom he would just stare at the ceiling and not talk to anyone or planning card games or engage in any fun that anyone else was having at the
01:00:23| hospital and they asked why and Dunbar said I want to stay bored and they said why he said this when you're bored like pencil you buy much much time every hour drags like a day every minute is an hour
01:00:38| every this is this he had a filius affiliate life did he did because he was afraid if he enjoyed life it would just pants him by thanks do you know he said do you remember the
01:00:48| first bra you unhook to you were 13 remember the first yes the exact quote first kiss you had first time you uh laid eyes on a woman first time you you learned how to talk and walk and play
01:01:00| sports with your little friends you blinking it's over you're blinking you're here you're blinking right now we're on the verge of death any minute we could be dead and I just want to sit
01:01:09| here be as bored as convey and let the minutes turn to hours and the hours turn the days and these days I have left turn him into frigging months he's reveling in the past weird who died in that book
01:01:24| k22 dosa fowler there was a guy who died while he was on like a rafter something in a plane flew true that was a whole the whole thing was like I was happy and excited he was cheering on the
01:01:38| plane as it hated what he hit yeah he got whacked by the propeller as it was like three feet off the ground sliced him in half kid Sampson yes I have yeah yeah uh dr. Nica it's a two name wants
01:01:56| to do a correction the episode yeah but anyway do you know what he did after he looked back and realized he cut kids amps in half no I don't remember the part he turned back towards the nearest
01:02:06| mountain said he didn't say it but everyone could hear him say in the way he drove his plane the way his plane drove it said oh well what the hell they drove into the mountain just killed
01:02:16| himself huh crazy right because of the accident we were gonna get busted dude he wasn't supposed to drive that low and that closest billions while they were having
01:02:28| fun hmm so it was a hundred percent his fault because it was just a joyride right yeah it was an escape on the old man breaking goose pulling down yeah you have
01:02:42| permission bye-bye step bring any negative ghostrider that brings me to retirement some people use retirement as an escape and they live with a life that's how
01:02:54| many years you know twenty two sixty three forty forty three or more years of maybe bullshit to retire in a life that you know once you're 63 you're not who you were when you were 30 or 20 or even
01:03:13| don't know why why why don't you that they can't do something for 40 years because it would make them go crazy I'm thinking that the vision that they have their heads of what they will do when
01:03:23| they retire is absolutely different than what what they can do down that road right Yeah right we're gonna travel the world and sell gypsies butter from a can kind of turn
01:03:37| that can and butter yep I don't know weird so that's that's an escapist mentality though if you're if you really don't like your job but you're set thirty
01:03:48| years so I'm just gonna retire and be happy doing this thing that thing is probably not gonna make you happy yeah if you go to them yeah if you go to an an island resort or go cruising like you
01:03:59| think right that's away from everybody that would be a weird thing to do yeah so really the the goal should be to enjoy right now which is what European countries do they enjoy the people that
01:04:11| are near them and they don't think about retirement as much or is that an American issue I've no idea I really have nothing to do with not enough I'm not in America we sell a ton of Dreams
01:04:22| we try to sell as many dreams and fears as possible I think a cool way to put it I never thought of it like that I wouldn't disagree with it you know yeah there's one more form of escapism
01:04:37| we've talked about yet virtual virtual reality ah I think it's getting bigger I think it's really there yet is it yeah I don't think it's quite there I did watch ready player one which has like an
01:04:50| entire world I kind of liked it there are parts that didn't like there's a level that's probably meant for people who are like 30 to 40 there's a level that's meant for like maybe kids but it
01:05:01| switches back and forth which makes it kind of awkward plus it's illogical because all these people are plugged into some virtual world and they're like running around in
01:05:09| the real world like they're not gonna collide or hurt each other just say we're done with this so there is like Second Life which is kind of like ready player one Second Life is a real game
01:05:20| where you can enter in and buy digital items and live life in a digital world they have sex that I mean I mean they probably well we are having sex right now as I type I will stick my river in
01:05:37| you and it's announced live action are there some lonely housewife action hell yeah I could see people living life in that second life and dealing like it's more real than their first life I could
01:05:54| see a little elmo's because they have more indecision they're richer in this life in a way I don't think you can get hurt in the second life
01:06:01| so there's only positives but that seems so fake after you say like here's a question for you so I'm utilitarian meaning I think the greater good for the greater amount of people is good how
01:06:14| much is one old person worth if there are 70 years old how many young people would you say how many are deeds if there are 23 years old how many how many do you save so so if you okay so 60
01:06:28| something 70 all right sorry old person you're worth three young people no no other way around three young people or three old people worth a young person there we go there
01:06:39| okay thank you that's the reverse of what I would think is that person is closer to death yeah young person's worth more Oh am I saying it backwards yeah three oh no three old people is
01:06:52| worth one young person okay yeah yeah you're saying right okay okay just clarifying yeah so here's the idea anyway most of them utilitarian the old
01:07:02| question was okay then let's say you find out everyone's plugged into a matrix machines uses them for energy I'm gonna really just use the matrix it's pretty easy
01:07:12| never back use you like a giant batter you're plugged in but your brain is entirely hooked up to this fake world and you're having a good time in this fake world like everyone's feel pretty
01:07:23| good and there's some people are a little miserable but most it's like life right now most people are fairly happy they don't know that their batteries whatever is it moral if you had the
01:07:33| decision to let everyone sit like that what would you do are you so you're saying are you gonna escape the world to save them or are you gonna be like cypher Joe Pantalone Oh who's gonna go
01:07:47| back into the matrix world and live it like it's the real world second life oh the dude cipher okay Frank's are you confused me I didn't know and you used his real name he threw me off okay yeah
01:07:58| the dude cipher would you which is a more which is morally a better thing to do which should you do if there was another real real
01:08:07| world on top of this one would you go to it I mean your if it you would be saving and keeping me pretty miserable yeah you would yeah definitely the way they bring you back if it's the matrix
01:08:18| but you'd be essentially escaping real life if you were trying to live this life right so if there was a one one that was more painful but real should you go back to that unless you're an
01:08:29| escapist yes no no how many layers are there I know layer beyond that I know I feel like you'd be bonded with the people who were there like if this wasn't a solo
01:08:44| mission and other people decided the same thing as you you would definitely have a bonding moment with them because you decided all together to do this one thing you'd be a trump a binding force
01:08:55| which I think would make you happy in a really weird way all right there's something about the struggle mm-hmm person's happiness isn't necessarily their doing am I using the right term
01:09:09| their bliss isn't their happiness or their I want to separate excitement they can be entertained yeah right there's an excitement in entertainment it's not the same as happiness look at the whole
01:09:22| episode on that but just yeah true happiness there's like a subtle happiness that you can't take away from people there's a joy that's like inside of them that will
01:09:32| never die that's that's happiness getting your way is not the way to get that happiness almost it's almost like counterintuitive happiness yeah the easy way is not gonna gain you
01:09:44| happy to see you all the time yeah struggling going against it kinda brings its own happiness which is a human condition I think it keeps us waffling keeps humans from stagnating maybe
01:09:59| that's part of escapism we we want to escape we want to come back we want to suffer we want to do good we want to be happy we're not happy enough we get bored do you think people and different
01:10:10| flats will never take us over we ahead we're too weird and creative different and we're not happy when we're happy can you imagine a robot trying to like Corral us all you
01:10:25| we can everything that makes humans happy and they're not happy they want something else I can't explain it humans are bastards so do you think people in the first world countries
01:10:35| escaped more or less than people in like third world countries we're like the conditions are only being the third world countries people they escaped milord I think we're the first world
01:10:48| because they're bored soon as they have more time to escape and because they have more escapes they're aware of things abilities er no no like they have more escapes like that's true you know
01:10:59| in VR they don't have a movie at every corner they all Netflix they don't have like eight TVs in their house they don't have a cell phone that has 400 games like they don't have any of that they
01:11:08| just have the people in front of them which keeps them plugged in to fit other people I don't know folks my brains gonna explode I think we did a good job I think I did
01:11:23| good episode I think we'll recover oh boy business escapes daydreaming escapes daydreams alcohol drugs medication a dreams our folks are college with video games
01:11:39| women third world countries music games broads midlife crises women retirement broads they said broads cuz the naughties bring it back International Women's Day and a bunch of terms from a
01:12:06| bunch of terms we'd save that for another day yeah cool yeah good night thank you for listening yeah everyone don't escape real life but
01:12:18| if you do escape it with us bit podcast have a great escape maybe the best escape Oaks we frigging like you like it
00:00:10| I can't stand this anymore let's get out of here let's start the intro already so I'm Dan folks for old friends dissecting one topic at a time people technology media we've got it all covered each
00:00:28| discussion here is a deep dive in or unique perspective taboo little subjects they're all on the chopping block baby we don't pander to popular opinion we might even get a little bit dirty
00:00:41| morning this podcast may contain mature language and sexual content and is for entertainment purposes only so join us have a good time we go we're live we're into this baby I'm feeling better than I
00:01:13| thought I would I woke up it was uh yeah Oh crack crack crack I woke up at 3:30 this morning and did not sleep since I have not slept since part of a part of having a new kid that's what you that's
00:01:26| why you look like that yeah new baby will make it pretty tired may get pretty stressed see that shirt in a previous episode yeah it's a video game I'm making I want to escape oh ah hello
00:01:40| stress today yeah stuff cuz you need to get away I need to get away from some stuff actually my son and I we both have the same method of getting away from things we hit the bottle we hit it hard
00:01:54| dr. Brown's baby bottles he came with props okay they're pretty good you know I didn't want to become a colic so dr. Brown says the special little let me undo this little piece
00:02:08| here it has a blue little total straw in the middle that just sucks the air or whatever you drink in for babies that's pretty cool yeah it's also has multiple parts that makes it really
00:02:17| confusing to verbs verbs uh-huh uh-huh and it's an IQ test too for people who've never used a baby bottle before they never get it right oh my you've been checking that bad boy
00:02:28| from the mold you know every extra part of a baby bottle pretty much grows moles yeah I've got a tiny little filter thing that just goes in the old pipe cleaner it's the tiny little one gets the NIP
00:02:39| weird yeah so uh your first nipple right um no but have you had have you tried breast milk before what's that principal yeah well I didn't have any heavy cream so I had to substitute is that really
00:02:52| breast milk yeah you never tried breasts but before I'd sipped it but not like it's rather oily no oily rel as we say a good tongue twister all right mm-hmm link you know what they say right yes I
00:03:12| guess you got to push the envelope huh yeah you know if you're if your wife's gushing you make a White Russian cuz I got some excess breast milk here you got to use it up hey my man is on fire
00:03:23| tonight I don't even know what to say yeah see that I saw oh no oh yeah get ready for my breasts oh it's fantastic this is good stuff man I can't really breast
00:03:35| milk it's the most expensive drink because you can't buy breast milk I mean a life of indulgence right here oh my god you get five breast milk you can buy breast milk on the black market you can
00:03:45| probably buy it on the not black market I give you until next episode to Bry breast milk on the black market quality breast milk wait yeah individual or their milk
00:04:01| I want a background check on this breast milk yeah you gotta make sure you get the baby spoon yeah I know you're missing a stirrer whoo I don't use straws anymore actually
00:04:25| oh that's so delicious that's good then I don't remember man white Russians are delicious don't drink folks and prevent college hmm so some people escape using alcohol
00:04:54| drugs or medications that make them happy I don't know if that's a good idea it's probably better I did I did yeah yet when we start with the definition here sure let's do the definition even
00:05:11| though I didn't want to bring up something that makes me not want to escape my life sure escapism is the avoidance of unpleasant boring arduous scary or banal aspects of daily life
00:05:21| daily life it can also be used as a term to define the actions people take to relieve persistent feelings of depression or general sadness aka daily life that's gonna be reiterated a lot of
00:05:40| day today the mundane the boring huh Wow interesting so you tell me anything I do to distract myself from my own life is escapism that extra minute you spend on the toilet
00:05:54| stall escape us yeah what about when I'm playing a video game mmm how long you been playing the game do you play it to get away no like 10 hours a day
00:06:07| are you learning and having fun and growing and being stimulated I mean it's a sex game but I played 10 hours a day yeah I'd say I'm pretty gorgeous by the end is that escaped a police have you
00:06:22| heavily stimulated I'm Damon mm-hm I don't want to talk about your penis cuz I aren't all video games escapism Arnall movies escapism if we break it down isn't everything escapism pretty
00:06:38| much it is survival yeah I mean it's survival it's escapist is that what you're getting at how many people escape to their daily life none right yeah I can't wait to take the daily commute oh
00:06:49| man this is let me get over Oh wake me up before you go-go yeah I don't know those words that's why I didn't want to sing them but if I kept singing I would have had them it would have came out of
00:07:05| nowhere huh just like Nick just like me but there's yeah there's a good nabad so you're my definition of playing video games usually it's a good version of escapism whereas the bad it's for other
00:07:23| people all other people weird so I just will give you my smirk not a smile no it's a spot oh god that's good go ahead so I shave guys it's like razor burn because I never shave all the way
00:07:42| yeah did you use um white what we call it Oh Joe whatever yeah but it's like a really old electric breast milk yeah yeah Brett spell that'll that'll ease the rash I
00:07:54| use it for everything they probably would you get some boobie milk yeah black market here we come black market baby so I never shave all the way to the to the skin mm-hmm I always just kind of
00:08:09| do the whole trim it down to like here so it's like five o'clock shadow all the time yeah you're trying to be an ultra smooth trying to be ultra smooth have the
00:08:19| follow-up interview we know we talk about job interviews you should done laser hair removal I should have except that I never would grown it back ultra smooth I'll just for
00:08:30| like yeah but I went to UM CVS because right before this podcast started I realized I didn't have computer paper that I needed a computer paper to quit my resume
00:08:41| ray I raised you man that's what's gonna raise Umi um so I went to CVS and young girl like twenty four twenty over there mm-hmm sorry yeah they could tell like she was
00:08:54| like just finishing school yeah you know educate it a little bit asian-american cute but especially a couple jokes to her say well you want me to help you with a toothbrush I was just
00:09:06| being nice she left and then I said anyway I got my stuff because she said call me when you're ready to bring up cuz she thanked I'm so went over and like she was like
00:09:16| flustered and I just learned to give her my stuff and she said oh my god and your hair is that natural I said no no or did you dye that and I said no no it's natural she said Wow and I was like
00:09:31| Dylan says Wow I think she's wooing me here she I said touch it now and then I said I used to be a camp counselor of five-year-olds and I told them that was bird poop
00:09:42| and they called me canceller bird poop historia he called me Nicky bird booboo but you know I didn't need to tell her my first name hmm
00:09:52| and she left and she said anyway the total comes or whatever and I handed her the bills and she has punched the button and she hit enter and register open and she closed it and she had a manatee
00:10:03| she's like have a great day I was like whoa whoa I was like I was like do I get my change and she was like oh my god I'm sorry I did you like it she was like I'm so I was like oh so I'm taking credit
00:10:20| for it but she must not have been able to see my bumps here here's my looking at yeah yeah Wow flustered her up dude she she didn't give me change she's totally closed the
00:10:30| drawer and smiled at me and I was like unbelievable that never happens in so that brings us to our second most biggest escapist strategy is women people believe that
00:10:43| women are in love with them and they're in love with the idea of women which brings me to my smirk mmm fellas you ever been sleep in there mind your own business Bremen sleeping
00:10:57| doing whatever the hell it is one more asleep mm-hmm breast milk man I know can't stop and you're just sitting there you're dreaming you're doing whatever it's like 2:00 a.m. and your girl wakes
00:11:12| you up what are you doing I said I'm sleeping something wrong yeah you you're wiping the stuff that your eyes was you're wrong trying to get trying to talk going no
00:11:21| anyway she says no and then you're back to sleep whatever no big deal so then you wake up for your alarm clock you gotta go to work call the wall and she rolls over and she says who's Moira and
00:11:33| I was like uh Maura I was like excuse me she kept saying Maura and you were pleased with her in your sleep and I was like ah I don't even know a Maura like I don't know was it Italian was I saying
00:11:49| I'm Maura ha ha maybe and then I said maybe it's the overwatch character Moira cuz I've been playing overwatch but I was like and I tried to explain this to her I was
00:11:58| like but I never pick Moira all the girls to the right like the attack women I've never picked them like I pick Farrow and I was trying to explain this to her like 6 a.m. I was like I'll pick
00:12:09| Barrow and Bridget but did I don't pick Moira and the sniper girl and the other girl and there's another girl I really never picked up there just I would never even be them that's a waste of my time
00:12:18| and she was like okay it's got to be wrong anyway she was mad at me and I was like all right see you babe it's just mm-hmm for a name in your sleep yeah maybe a name in my sleep I don't
00:12:35| even know but that reminded me of um my favorite thing of like sitcoms ever is like if like a guy in a girl there sleeping next to each other and the the girl's awake and a guy smiling and he
00:12:46| says the girl's name and she whacks him real hard uh-huh he's like what I do and she's like you know what you did it's like another woman what happened here so that's my smirk
00:13:00| women okay women am i right guys mm-hmm I'm right guys we need to talk about that in the future episode women we're gonna get in trouble let's just do an episode where we literally
00:13:13| get broken up with we break up with our women at the same time well we we say the worst things we could and then like by the end of the episode we're like well cousin Erfurt yeah I've got three
00:13:26| months before she breaks up with me for this area hmm sorry my smirk inspire both about women so yeah it's good escape one of which is it real and one of which works
00:13:41| with CBS I guess one you yeah I guess to you escape to and one you escape from I guess so I guess that breast milk yeah that's that breast milk delicious so you were sleeping I guess that's one escape
00:13:56| from life but everyone needs to sleep natural can't escape that's part of life that's not gonna end of bed it's an escapist strategy oh is it yeah same with them sounds a lot like
00:14:09| depression yeah well they link it together for some reason but people like who wrote uh children's novels I want to say Louie CK but that's not right CS Lucas yeah like not the other Louis
00:14:29| nothing a Louis black no no I think he might have actually though but he I mean he was making fun of the remarks that it was negative he was saying that it's animagus it's a creative expression of
00:14:41| reality so it's it's an essential it kind of it is I mean you have to imagine that's why kids imagine think of all the games and things kids play with it's all imagination you don't have imagination
00:14:55| you don't go somewhere else you will be sucked dry of this boring awful reality we call life right yeah I like to think that my child is only two but it probably continues until they're like at
00:15:07| least 12 but they have no idea of what reality is so their entire existence is xscape like they don't until they are old enough to have a kid think of that
00:15:16| you're a child until you you have a child I mean not really but think of how if you could go back in time to when you didn't have a kid let's take five six years ago with the
00:15:29| knowledge and everything in your brain right now and you did it like you don't have a choice you just went back and you did it and now you don't have a kid responsibility so how much free time in
00:15:39| like just waste of time I've waste so much time doing BS nothing who cares it would be awesome wouldn't it you can just leave the house whenever you want
00:15:48| it is dried somewhere not worried about anything how crazy is that until the next morning when you have to go to your job which is the next responsibility after children yeah it kind of is a
00:16:03| ghost job children well you get the job first and then you stop clinking your breast milk thing then it's just we can't focus for me I know it is there's the strike that I hope people see that
00:16:13| on the stream there's three that all right oh yeah so I've ever seen Walter Mitty secret life of walter mitty I had that was actually a well done movie yeah I like to quite pin I didn't love the
00:16:29| movie but it was well done and I liked you know no idea of it he's an escapist a dreamer who can't focus on reality yeah I like that version this as a kid I used to daydream all the time just to
00:16:46| get out of the monotony like on the bus to school here what was your daydream on the bus it was I think it was last action hero where they were like Karate Kid con us right
00:17:00| we're what I'm trying to bear what you're like the character in it the kid was like he was doing like karate part of it right and I would imagine him running beside the bus and doing karate
00:17:11| kicks and stuff like to nobody to me how he's just showing off because I was on the bus to school I'm work way cooler what's here well we had church back in ransom I'll tell you then I think that
00:17:27| Jesus would come off the cross no they had the real big thing behind the tabernacle that was like 30 feet high and things like made of a fall down cross the priest no I imagine terrorists
00:17:40| broke in through the sky that's the best rappel down ropes and in their bed guns like super machine guns they would try and it would come from the accents behind us and they would repel dalit big
00:17:52| Jesus statue and it would just scream and everybody to get down and I always figured away because with there's like would get down and crawl and find my way back to like one of the exits back there
00:18:06| thanks for kicking some terrorist ass one at a time and then like maybe I get a gun I'm giving a loft area you start playing the organ and firing bullets a little bit like die hard I guess was
00:18:17| that too young seen die hard there's no Aaron Twitter he loud it hurt mmm-hmm maybe I create a die hard in my head or my heart maybe did you have the one
00:18:28| where like water was coming from the floor and you had to find an escape do you think about that one not a lot but sometimes sometimes you have a fear of drowning maybe or the one where like the
00:18:40| house is no longer vertical it's like on its side it's like rotating oh that's a cool and that's cool that's going we used to pretend even just playing outside games with the other kids
00:18:53| mm-hmm like the floor is lava tag or men huh no no like just a game that already has rules manhunt or cops and robbers or tag or any of those kind of games that you're hiding like uh yeah like in a
00:19:07| real deep brush you're like camouflaged in your head like you don't I mean like you're Rambo or uh yeah a little bit yeah predator and you I mean I killed like six kids
00:19:18| it was my grandmom's neighbors I snapped their necks as a very strong a six-year-old yeah I mean I was really strong and I was in the moment when the judge approached me I said escapism he
00:19:31| said it's no big deal happens they let me get Escapist shout out judge Wapner ha that's the way back before Judge Judy I think she hates men I don't know
00:19:50| she does she does how she I mean she Joe say to young people which I kind of do too now she hates her anyone who's not her Andy that's a good point she's old and a
00:20:02| woman and she hates idiot she's probably I'm not saying she's an old woman but she likes older people and women and people weren't dopes yes yes yes
00:20:15| yeah I saw the funniest downing note that came up on a podcast there's a Judge Judy clip where a defendant and they're like 2530 range and it's my ex-boyfriend I kicked them out I need
00:20:31| money for the friend he took the car blah blah blah and she says well how does it implicate that he's your ex how long have you guys been separated I don't understand you're living together
00:20:40| and she says well we ain't been together and over a year judge I just wanted to pay this bill and uh she looks at them both and she says when's the last time you both did the whoopee or she says
00:20:55| something like old for when you guys had sex you know rock company yeah the funniest thing is he he just looks at the judge he look at her he goes this morning and she's like just know what to
00:21:09| say because it must have been like a spur of the moment like heated passion thing that totally just ran her over with a bus she's like yeah look that clip up
00:21:20| but I don't know how you would look it up but it'll be good for all the for the audience when they I'm free I'm sure I can add a link if it's copyright free but I doubt it's copyright free she's
00:21:29| making a boatload of money and that's probably where it comes from suckers planner clips on podcasts well then we ain't don't even look it up we know dum-dums we ain't getting bringing
00:21:40| it or her court you imagine new idiots are you recording this yeah those basements get a job what was the last time you - alright so scape isms crazy because it's good but it's also
00:22:04| bad depends how how you using the escapism so like when I was 14 15 I really had nothing to do so I played a game called EverQuest in EverQuest mm-hmm
00:22:15| it gave a structure where you could build your character but that didn't that's endless and then there's some social aspect to it but really not really you don't really
00:22:26| it was just typing but the best parts about it the parts I really gravitated gravitated to where the so the levels were like really in-depth and there are some that had like mazes in the very
00:22:37| beginning and you have to figure out the maze in order to get to the next level like the next area and then choose really like deep within something or hidden away or it was just like isolated
00:22:47| so I really gravitated to those areas and just spend most of my time like underneath like stories of dirt or like in a faraway courtyard that no one else has ever went to I found my level piece
00:22:59| my little island hmm see I never played so I don't understand the format or whatever I'd like to in my brain see how it plays out I have to see it that's like I could be role playing game where
00:23:10| you just kill stuff and pick up the items but it was like a very person third person like what was it good switch between them you were essentially a warrior and you just run around
00:23:22| killing stuff so you can go any little levels and like you're supposed to gather up things and screw that I would just like go to one spot and kill the same thing over and over again cuz I
00:23:31| felt really comfortable there and nobody can get in my safe spot it's my secret place your escapism mmm-hmm interesting I do learn a lot in video games so wonder if I do that in
00:23:45| video games I don't know that other people do that like I would find the nook and cranny like there was mix and crannies so there's a there's like different name oh my god books in 83 it
00:23:57| crooks and nannies would be my new if you're going to a pub and you play quiz Oh quiz Oh group named Brooks and nannies anything like that I'm sorry that's okay so I'd find like little
00:24:09| areas they were just like you get away that's all there's no way I can explain it there's no way I could share my feelings for it because it was just like a personal space as I had to be able to
00:24:19| see the world without people actually getting to me and I just like watch them go by I like it yeah like English muffin Oh gaming what does that mean looks and crannies Oh LexA crying ow yeah I got my
00:24:38| question to you is what do you escape from what did you escape from whenever younger just boring stuff I guess whether you're smart or dumb or athletic or unathletic or tall or fat or
00:24:55| whatever like you kind of start to figure out that maybe life sorta is monotonous and sucky oftentimes because no matter what you are you're not everything like you can't be in the back
00:25:10| lub can't be in the Athletic Club you can't be cool you can't be rich you can't be in the poor kids they hate the rich kids you can't be in every group at once so you're you're gonna kind of be
00:25:20| excluded you're gonna kind of find yourself on the outside in a lot of scenarios in life I mean and you co agree you could do the status quo and just join the one or two or three
00:25:33| groups that really define you but I find that boring too yeah I guess one of my goals in life is to do everything so I yeah I would love to do more things I might not be extremely proficient at
00:25:45| certain things but I still experience them and try to be able to yeah try it do it maybe get good a little good at it you don't think it great at it but you know mm-hmm but I think that's what this
00:25:56| case of escapism is kind of about it's about getting old off the beaten path it's about trying something different like immersing yourself in a different environment or
00:26:05| going to a different place yeah because what else is life I mean really serious people who are fairly boring can be very successful and lead important eyes and do good things
00:26:18| but I I couldn't do that so like a CEO of a company that's an asshole he made it himself an asshole to get up there the season.they asshole well let's say he's pretty boring he's yeah and he
00:26:31| never did Andy weir his happiness is not that mm-hmm that work thing soulless he's never immersed himself in a different experience yeah people with that imagination are
00:26:43| kind of weird I don't like it I see that every day where there's a woman in my office that never looks up when I walk past her and I think to myself like ever is that is that me I mean but it's gotta
00:26:57| be her like there's gotta be like why would you never acknowledge people you're in you're either in your own little world escaping or you are so present in your world that you can't
00:27:07| deal with your anxieties so you're you're I guess you're escaping by looking down not acknowledging the question is there a possibility she's more imaginative than both of us and
00:27:18| she's pretending she's elsewhere while she's at her desk she's crap yeah it's maybe it's my yeah I got it but what's assume it's possible then would it go to say that everyone is
00:27:30| equally as imaginative they just do it in different ways no ways that other people can't pick up they don't perceive I don't know like it's a really dumb jock who's like for the game a real guru
00:27:44| he's really imaginative about how football feels or looks yeah all the things that I will never be able to imagine he's like he just like how do you think I could I'm gonna bring up Tom
00:27:59| Brady because he has won several Super Bowls be one do you think he he knows a football better than other people like he must have a sense of the football that other people just don't
00:28:10| have I guess so I mean if you do something you know you have weird senses that you don't plan on he actually probably has weird senses about pressure coming from different directions so like
00:28:22| win all three seconds know like pressure from other team but without looking he can almost tell by the sound of the cleats and maybe his own offensive lineman that someone's
00:28:34| breaking through the line and maybe has a hand near the back of them there's no way you can see that hand and I almost feel it yeah a little bit just from a million different cues that he might not
00:28:45| even be aware of and he knows I just got to dump the ball or I got to get rid of it or my safety valve or I got to do whatever there's stuff like that I think that comes with doing something
00:28:54| proficient for a long amount of time you pick up on subtle cues you're not even aware of now is that escapism why we gotta do it yeah I don't think that's escapism but that's it's not but it's I
00:29:08| guess the way people perceive things in the perception of other people people's escapes yeah I can see that I think that also goes with the negativity associated with escapism is that I mean the people
00:29:20| that are withdrawn maybe they're not feeling good maybe they're not happy but I mean I could be perceived as a Wallflower and withdrawn until you really start talking to me and then it's
00:29:30| like oh he's fine like what why did I ever think he was crazy and then I knew he was insane mmm but you could be completely like normal is a weird word to use because no one is
00:29:51| actually normal but I mean you could be completely harmless and enjoying life and people could perceive the wrong thing just because you're not actively engaged in whatever stupid thing they're
00:30:02| doing there's a thing with kids nowadays I find even my own son mm-hmm it's like there's an escapist thing here where they want to watch their favorite movie show iPad whatever because familiar used
00:30:18| to yeah well the don't watching cars again Eddie I don't watch cars how much cars you just watch cars why do you want to watch cars again cars I can
00:30:27| only say cars one and three that's all we got oh you don't got to I need to get to please mysteries or something save me for the record - was a deviation of the
00:30:42| series and it went off on mater focuses on mater and it's really bad but it's fun I mean it's just something different I'm not watching any of them for their movie value uh I wonder if I took a
00:30:55| picture of Lightning McQueen and just went and I just like had it left and right with the kid buy it know they'd figure it out play cars maybe like yeah daddy but it's not cars it's different
00:31:08| it's different shut up but anyway they arm when I was a kid which is expression that sounds stupid when you say it but when you really think about it I mean I couldn't
00:31:22| control when was on what was on when like you don't I mean yeah can to open up TV Guide to Turtles I need to wait to figure out when the turtles were on and then wasn't just a rerun which it was
00:31:38| you know your impulses were squashed you couldn't you couldn't get immediate gratification that's what the one you're the if I if I could have I'm sure I would have been a turn out to be a jerk
00:31:49| or whatever but now this generation kind of is immediately grabbed by I hit a button that starts to show up or the movie up almost any movie they want does that make them more likely to be
00:32:02| escapists or less likely since they experience it because they be they want to go back to it like if they want to watch it eight times and then like later on you're like hey let's go do something
00:32:12| else and they were like hey I want to do X or Y and you're like oh well we did X or Y why do you want to do that again well because it's their favorite and they have a choice they think hmmm I
00:32:24| mean sometimes you have to just stop them but do you think you naturally burn out so this is the video game thing is that there are many video games that I played that were essentially endless
00:32:34| like clash of clans so you could keep playing clash of clans as long as you damn right please and you would never beat the game you would never haven't finished the same thing but EverQuest
00:32:43| you pro you could never beat it there's no ending of Cal if Callie's watching right now do you think he's still playing uh he is still playing I'm guarantee I
00:32:53| okay now you do yeah every every few months we don't see you no no I don't join I don't join back into that group I don't want to get addicted to it so how do you have you just looked at the I
00:33:05| like to see like if they have a little a if they ever if they're rated that means they've played recently within the last like month or something nice they're all rated that's pretty cool yeah so there's
00:33:17| a there's a piece of it that like you binder the game that you're building yourself which is really fake if it's a facade it's really for all games are fake if you won't bring it down bullets
00:33:27| yeah yeah in this particular way it's endless so it's really really if sight MIDI King returns yeah you could say there's a social aspect to it which there definitely is there's an enjoyable
00:33:38| we until we left and then there's the piece where you're just doing it because it's a compulsion and the compulsion part is where it's not good for you so you hear the music
00:33:52| thought the music is addictive the colors are very bright like even if you're I remember trying to fall asleep and like looking at the game and I'd wake up immediately
00:34:00| cuz it was like bright green you had like Birds flitting and like golden whatever mmm you would immediately be sucked into the game and you'd be taken to a different
00:34:09| place wavelengths baby mmm yeah I guess that's bad because you're you're also um doing it because you've already been doing it yeah I think I'd play but so much into man I can't stop now hey good
00:34:24| idea I played EverQuest for over a hundred days like the time spent on that game while actually playing it 100 days worth so that is literally to work it out
00:34:35| that's you say in 24 thousand hours uh twenty four thousand what is ten days and hours is that a hundred days 100 days in yeah to 2400 hours you said 100 okay 24 he had 2,400 yeah hours so
00:34:52| that's I'm gonna do some math here if you had four hours a day let's say two hours a day because that's more realistic and I'm gonna text and panders are live
00:35:03| I'm great it's good so that is three it's almost three and a half years of playing the game two hours a day every day that's a bit excessive yeah yeah that's a bit well if you're gleaming
00:35:19| something from it I mean the how is is it more damaging than working a job seven hours a day for five days a week think of that well a job at that age so this is the this is the key that makes
00:35:32| it fair Nate yeah I could have worked that much time in a job that paid me six bucks an hour and that would be completely worthless I would have actually I don't think I would have been
00:35:42| influenced by games by programming by logically thinking things through planning because like the way I played that game was mechanical in a way because I played it so much that I would
00:35:53| like set timers timers would go off I jump on just so I could jump kill this one thing and like it would the game manipulated me to do that but it also made me more machine like which is my
00:36:05| end goal in life so is so what you were doing is really gaming the game but Dave that you could game the game so it was kind of a stalemate we're both doing the max if you're both maximizing each other
00:36:21| yeah but there's a point where I realized that there was no point to continuing so like there was a period probably I should have stopped earlier but the escapists in me wanted to just
00:36:31| keep playing and up until the time where I got my I think my license I kept going and then stopped because I said there's other parts of life no I mean being good at something is a feeling unto itself
00:36:46| like that's true he's playing playing a musical instrument escapist I definitely think so I don't because you can get better at it and I don't find that to be a diminishing qua like I find that to be
00:36:58| soothing it's almost like doing a mantra or going like it when yogurt or something exemplary quality I think that's a good quality for a person to have like I don't look at someone
00:37:07| necessarily who could put a hundred hours into a video game that's like a good quality I'm not like uh he must be good person he put over a hundred hours in EverQuest and this
00:37:17| might be a weird prejudice on my part because I never played EverQuest mmm but then I look at it someone's like ah dude I'm really good at guitar I'm like are you and he's like yeah like I
00:37:27| can play any names a bunch of things I'm like ah he's a good dude and I'm not sure why I think that way because there's no logical reason you don't I mean it's just because people are in the
00:37:36| same vein as you that you favor them right oh really I just favored anyone who does this stuff I do there is a peace that comes with playing guitar and bass and musical instruments because
00:37:48| there's a room a residence I'll say the resonance is there that you're give a feedback if you're feeling it throughout your body what you're doing so there's a there's there's something like
00:38:02| subliminal there that makes you happy when you're playing an instrument and you could give that to other people video game you can't really give it to other people right music maybe is a
00:38:12| language I guess yeah you can speak with other people video game is but to a lesser extent maybe definitely not back then maybe now it is it's a language you can share and
00:38:24| be social you can be social on a level that's equivalent to what we're doing now in a video game but back 20 years ago you could do that at all there's no way you could have
00:38:33| video audio discussions none of that existed I just I just keep coming back to what the escapism ultimately it's just getting away from life and whether it's video games or not so do you have
00:38:50| like two people that go on vacation and they hype up vacation you're mostly men right and you're often you're your business I get that from a lot of women in the office they get so excited about
00:39:03| going someplace or I just like women here like countdown for like nine months when they're going to like let's say or yeah I'll sure someplace random it and I don't feel that way about going places I
00:39:18| think it's cool but I don't right not like super excited to go anywhere I'm just not happy I think it is and I don't know why it's different for some people that
00:39:28| they have like a wonder lust for searching out places experiencing the world I mean I understand it's understandable but another another sense it makes no sense at all because it
00:39:39| doesn't PC it doesn't bring PC you you just you could see it in other ways and not have to go there and stand there and pretend like you're part of the society I guess what we run into then is that
00:39:50| someone could say the same thing about your escape isms uh-huh fine someone else's cuz really with someone asked me what does it get you playing clash plans they'll be like no some fun kills time
00:40:03| makes me feel something that's not the drudge of life I don't know something hidden something you can control it's also a community it's nice being part of a different community yeah I'm
00:40:18| hungry have you ever been in a super secret community a secret community what was that bloodsucker vampire community his people man Eriksson
00:40:29| creeper yeah now have you ever been in a situation blood where you didn't want to be like a freshman year I was in a dorm room with a guy that was a little bit off-kilter
00:40:39| and he was like in the middle of the night he'd like screaming his girlfriend on the phone and I was just like this isn't gonna work like three months in I need like I need to escape from this
00:40:48| damn room and I did but before that I used to go out and just drink just get out just do something else because I couldn't stand being in that room didn't wanted me to
00:40:59| they're weird yeah that sucks I guess that's an escapism quite literally yeah and that's the only time my life has been poor you know like the baseline of life is having to deal with
00:41:11| something that's just completely shitty and I for other people that have shitty environments that they grew up in and like persisted I can't imagine what life is for them and how they escape from
00:41:22| like their abuse or their alcoholism or other things that the line I even know and drink a lot of people do and there's so many different ways I guess relieve stress like someone on cigarette
00:41:33| yeah it's look cigarettes most of them are room vices I guess it's weird there's like this blurring line between vice and hobby it's true if you're good at it it's not a vice well
00:41:48| you're terrible at it yeah but if you were really good at cigarettes do you think somebody like that's his hobby okay he just flicks them around you give low smoke ranks I
00:41:57| mean people are impressed by people who can blow crazy smoke rings though are those people are lay like he has a vice or like he's a great hobby huh he's incredible he uses all natural smoke so
00:42:09| doesn't Kim cancer mm-hmm still we'll probably that's another aspect though is that if you're and if you're really in deep in something you understand it better than most people so that's a
00:42:22| chance for you to actually improve upon it to learn from it and maybe even build a business or be successful in life if you wrote delved into something really deep if not making connection in that
00:42:32| network you know you're one of the best EverQuest players the world by chance your fortune 500 company boss is in EverQuest and you just happen to drop it and you're like ah you both like touch
00:42:45| fingers you're like ding hundreds of hours hundreds yeah could move you through life you could be successful just because you wasted time doing something that someone else enjoyed
00:42:57| that's very true it's weird yeah do you think I've read something that people think dreams are an escapist thing not likes lead dreams themselves that so though when you're dreaming while you're
00:43:14| sleeping you're thinking of things that allow you to escape your normal life yeah it was a theory I don't know that I buy into it because I don't I don't think I can control my dreams at all I
00:43:25| know they talk about lucid dreaming and all that here's another crazy thing how does your brain know what it feels like to fly it takes every time you've jumped and just magnifies that falling feeling
00:43:37| it's kinda it's different about breathing underwater or going through walls and dream or being in two places at once or like all that stuff because you can kind of feel that and dreams I
00:43:48| feel like and I don't know what baseline to base it against so I guess I don't know if that's really how it feels but that's interesting in your brain do you think it company most of your dreams
00:44:00| start off in places that you already know so that it's probably starting from a basis of like you're sitting at your desk you know exactly how that feels like and it starts to tilt and shifts so
00:44:10| that it's like it's no longer that place or that feeling or that sense it's exploring I think your your mind is exploring what the possibilities are I think so that's why I don't think I can
00:44:19| control it they're just kind of moving around on whatever direction it feels like or wants to or is not used to maybe it's being viable or something hmm a weird question though is so if you can
00:44:30| figure out what flying is here is your brain already hardwired to experience every sensation or every feeling it for like the possibility is there to feel something yeah like like could I know
00:44:45| what it's like to conduct the symphony to the utmost and like move on with emotions and then hear the audience were like do I already have that built into me where I would know what that feels
00:44:55| like I mean to successfully conduct an organ Orchestra how would you know that beforehand how it feels yeah do you think it would feel like everything else
00:45:04| like if you were super successful in every field that it would start to feel the same regardless of what you were doing because because think of what you do it's repetition didn't we say mastery
00:45:14| of a thing is like hundreds of hours did something for 10,000 hours you don't even feel it anymore you kind of escape it if you do you're skipping over the parts that are boring
00:45:30| and then your brain can focus on the things that can make it creative and better mm-hmm I would argue it's actually focusing on the boring parts and just getting better at them like you
00:45:40| figure out how to turn it into a video game and just beat the easy parts kind of well you have a sequence I feel like your brain takes over for like a sequence of 10 things and then like
00:45:50| there's another layer that like takes those 10 things and start shuffling them around try to eliminate one of them or make them so you can do them in parallel or maybe they fit together in less
00:45:58| certain time or faster or something yeah it's possible I don't know they're just thinking about that why who knows yeah and what I was gonna get into a little bit is how is looking at art escapism I
00:46:15| think it is so there were certain people with up not so others yeah that I do have art in my house that I didn't talk about in a previous episode mmm so all I have I have a lot of movie
00:46:27| posters because I think they're cool but they don't really they bring me back to the movie which doesn't really bring me back to anywhere the ones that I associate an aesthetic to a sensation to
00:46:36| are the ones that are like they remind me of things when I was younger like a lot of like the pathways to water like I have multiple pictures of like a bridge over water or like a pathway on the sand
00:46:49| or like a little like wooden path over a bog or something they all remind me of happiness because it reminds me of a place I went to when I was younger on the beach with all my cousin's we don't
00:47:01| get together and go to this one house and have a nice long walk way down to the beach a very unique walkway so you're not seeing the bog when you see the bog or whatever no in a bridge well
00:47:14| I've never been the place in the picture right right in the picture the painting there it is yeah does that feel the Whittenburg words yeah I feel the wooden boards of that of
00:47:23| that beach house I'm running down that beach house going to play in the sand and build a castle with my cousins that's what I feel well here's a crazy thought picture yourself running on
00:47:33| these beach boards at the old house you went to mm-hmm are you 100% sure you really ran like you even are remembering it like the exact steps did you land on the boards
00:47:43| you're remembering like where your cousins were exactly where they were or is it kind of it's made up to isn't it a little bit the one thing I can feel is like the texture of the boards on my
00:47:53| feet my bare feet mm-hmm I don't know how fast I was going or who was with me but that texture is like rent it you're running and you're yeah well part of that is like the Hollywood you're
00:48:03| laughing and giggling and everyone's running with you and in that weird though that even your memory is a little thing that's you but you can you can definitely remember
00:48:12| the texture it's like Hollywood is implanting a way to escape in your Bryant brain so that you're happy let's say you never saw a Hollywood movie ever do you think you would remember like
00:48:21| that I don't know things would get a little blurry right you believe it would a certain way to you I think you have to remember complete you can't remember blurry to brain fills in the blanks and
00:48:34| like we said because the Hollywood you kind of fill it in happy smiling while you're running and all that yeah but but but if it weren't probably when you would still probably have to fill it in
00:48:43| what would you fill it in with you frowning slowly slogging along is like I don't know I'd be interested to do that study on someone we don't let them watch any
00:48:54| movies in Hollywood which is a bunch of perverts anyway just want to do that it's dead yeah there's like a high V hurry Harvey ah disgusting
00:49:07| I created named Point Stein Winans died whining kids as we call it whining women hmm anyway just some weird stuff that your brain pulls tricks on you what are you trying to escape
00:49:22| yeah Duty paintings yourself that you use to escape vignettes maybe now I feel like I look at old pictures sometimes I think they're cool but that's not in mark per se that's moving like that's I
00:49:37| remember directly I guess so our parents have this thing about like photo albums and capturing things and getting people together photo albums do you think they do that because they can't remember
00:49:46| themselves they're trying to escape to memories they can't remember so they make you stand in one place we'll take a photo of you and I can look at it so I can remember this moment because it was
00:49:56| a happy moment yeah 100% only was I'm like 30 and I could barely remember things from when I was five and seven exactly it gets scarier probably as you're older and you only remember
00:50:05| the last ten maybe five years really honestly probably remember less than that if you think about it right so maybe their version of escapism is remembering the past which is not real
00:50:17| anymore so they make photo albums and check Facebook Instagram is a real you can't deny a photo you know I mean that's already bounced off our bodies came back to the camera lens exactly
00:50:29| like that there's nothing live there mm-hmm I don't know what happened the second before the second after the rest that day the rest of that year I dunno in
00:50:37| that second that millisecond that was captured that was real right yeah interesting weird I did want to bring up a couple key terms for us sure there are a little bit about weird emotions you
00:50:55| can get in your brain oh there aren't regular emotions not like I'm happy I'm sad I'm killing your girls on this one or is it's probably a feeling I probably it's I touched someone in a previous
00:51:09| episode I didn't realize it had a name it's that feeling when you're really high up and like if I jumped you're gonna fall if it driving along the real narrow area not that you're gonna fall
00:51:22| that you want to fall a little bit hmm I don't get that feeling it's a feeling that I'm not balanced I'm imbalanced well bad bad that'll happen too I think it's all related the other one
00:51:31| like have you ever felt like if you're on a really narrow bridge or something really high up or something like there's in your head you're like I could just swerve left as hard as I could and this
00:51:42| whole thing will go over and everyone be dead I'm gonna finish game over yes you know it's called lapel do lead lapel the bead mmm call of the void huh call uncle avoid anyway it's I think
00:52:00| it's your brain like if you're on a train you're right above the the train tracks and it's ready to come and you just think you know I could push someone
00:52:07| right now or I can jump right out of it and it was just little glittery mane it's a little bit of escapism because that's the opposite of what you're doing with your day-to-day life it's the
00:52:18| opposite of every instinct you have it's just a weird thing we're like you're like yeah I don't step in front of a moving train or a car or jump up a cliff but your brain is like what if he did
00:52:29| and you're like you think about it for second whoa it's like one of those classic people that are trying to jump off a bridge but when jump they actually grabbed the bridge
00:52:39| they're like holding only their brain doesn't let them like it tries to and it's like no they can't you can't really do this right what are your a cool one the other brain
00:52:54| feeling it's called a one book a one bus only only native to Albany Guinea okay they must have crazy houseguests so when your house guests come over you have to invite them in you have to let them use
00:53:07| their amenities you have to let them live their life sometimes to stay for one two days whatever they're loud obnoxious it's crazy they ruin your house there's furniture everywhere they
00:53:15| trip over things they pee on things like the house guests are the worst they're after 24 48 58 72 hours they leave and there's an emptiness in your house that they have a word for a wambach like that
00:53:29| word emptiness of the house I felt this right after college the first year there yeah now the second year of college when I spent well I'm not trying to get these people to leave for how long and now
00:53:40| it's so empty so do you know what they do to get rid of a wambach there's a remedy it's a bowl oh there is this will work they place a bowl of water hot water boil water right in the middle of
00:53:51| the hut they let it sit overnight the night that everyone leaves and in the morning the whole family gets up they take the water outside it absorbs all that all that energy event see that
00:54:02| doesn't work in the trees it works have you ever tried it I take a dump right in the middle of a one buck water entire to your presence right I get that feeling with my roommate in college the second
00:54:17| year when everyone leaves for that that summer after you've been together for so long I mean there's a bond there that you don't even realize is building up incremental e-noying there whatever yeah
00:54:29| they know when they're going really you could feel that immediately when that person's gone and just what my life just changed I think it's it's powerful my next word is a links links hi Li and
00:54:45| x-link it's a strange excitement for destruction it's like a normal organized man he's walking by and no one's around he kicks over a tiny recycle bin just because he
00:54:58| wants to do it I get this for fire alarms I always want to hit a fire alarm yeah you just feel like why not because I don't know it's like you're not supposed
00:55:08| to uh-huh I called the wild but it's not like murder someone it's usually something trivial mm-hmm yeah oh that you're really gonna care if I pull a
00:55:19| fire alarm I want to see like water gushing from the ceiling and everyone running thinking it's a real fire that's excitement right there but it's harmless excitement for the most part unless
00:55:30| people injure themselves so that's great here's what I'm gonna pronounce right go copy you okay anyway it's a feeling of homesickness for a place you've never visited Wow I
00:55:51| don't they seem like nobody say they have no Irish we'll get this why if you were born in America it's like a desire to visit the homeland like you want to go back to Ireland like so I'm here
00:56:02| there's like I'm making up totally at the different grapes of wrath' I think I know what song it was but it's either was a battle and back to battle him it was a battle him but it was not the
00:56:16| right one yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah exactly so I'm part Irish in part polish I think it would be cool to visit there but I don't think that I you know have an essence you don't feel sometimes in
00:56:34| the air the one thing I do know is that I'm attracted to Irish and Polish women so I'm pretty sure I'd be happy there it's a weird I guess this is genetic pheromones are in sync weird I guess so
00:56:48| how about pronoia is that like paranoia but the opposite you love being thing no you have this weird unsaid creeping suspicion that people are out to help ah that new job opening is
00:57:24| available Steven come get your job opening Steven like I was expecting that thank you do I found some money on the ground it's obviously not mine would you like
00:57:37| it would you like it it's for you everything's for you oh thank you thanks I think you almost want bad things to happen to you I guess that's that's the word of the podcast I think pronoia I
00:57:54| could see like the dumbass being that way he thinks everything's gonna work out so he's like oh that's fantastic it's like she died in front of me what do you mean there's like it's meant to
00:58:05| happen it's there's a reason for it because of reason it's beautiful and lastly I didn't write everything down but the the last one was called Porsche loss panic torch the horses panic that
00:58:19| sounds like a Russian word I think it was German it might have been Porsche Porsche less panic it's a life is passing you by the sands of time or slipping away you're very panicky oh
00:58:31| this was just happening at random midlife crisis yeah a little bit tough that I I think that's gonna happen at any point your life and brains and stand have to go real quick I have been I
00:58:44| haven't accomplished enough oh my god I haven't done this but today I have two job interview tomorrow oh my god hmm I understand you do better people feel stuck in one place they feel
00:58:57| like they haven't done enough I don't know what you could do to feel like you've done enough though Torche lapaki well what's interesting is if I think of all of these words we just described and
00:59:08| all this escapism we were talking about earlier those are the fears if I told you you were on a roller coaster but the roller coaster was a straight it was just a damn ride and it started
00:59:20| here and you were trapped in when does it end to here ended like that would be extremely boring extremely weird extremely neurotic extremely I don't think you could live that way you want
00:59:35| the ups and downs to feel some meaning some power some need it you need better pretend you resin to create fears you gotta create feelings you got to create escapes you want to go left I wanna go
00:59:48| right I want to go up want to go down I'll go backwards a little bit on a freeze time or a speed-up on a slow down but ultimately I mean you're still moving along that track to the end it's
00:59:59| because it's unsettling do you think people create their own phobias so that they can feel that emotion why not catch-22 had Dunbar my favorite character of all I forget what his I
01:00:12| mean I remember Dunbar be cultivating boredom he would just stare at the ceiling and not talk to anyone or planning card games or engage in any fun that anyone else was having at the
01:00:23| hospital and they asked why and Dunbar said I want to stay bored and they said why he said this when you're bored like pencil you buy much much time every hour drags like a day every minute is an hour
01:00:38| every this is this he had a filius affiliate life did he did because he was afraid if he enjoyed life it would just pants him by thanks do you know he said do you remember the
01:00:48| first bra you unhook to you were 13 remember the first yes the exact quote first kiss you had first time you uh laid eyes on a woman first time you you learned how to talk and walk and play
01:01:00| sports with your little friends you blinking it's over you're blinking you're here you're blinking right now we're on the verge of death any minute we could be dead and I just want to sit
01:01:09| here be as bored as convey and let the minutes turn to hours and the hours turn the days and these days I have left turn him into frigging months he's reveling in the past weird who died in that book
01:01:24| k22 dosa fowler there was a guy who died while he was on like a rafter something in a plane flew true that was a whole the whole thing was like I was happy and excited he was cheering on the
01:01:38| plane as it hated what he hit yeah he got whacked by the propeller as it was like three feet off the ground sliced him in half kid Sampson yes I have yeah yeah uh dr. Nica it's a two name wants
01:01:56| to do a correction the episode yeah but anyway do you know what he did after he looked back and realized he cut kids amps in half no I don't remember the part he turned back towards the nearest
01:02:06| mountain said he didn't say it but everyone could hear him say in the way he drove his plane the way his plane drove it said oh well what the hell they drove into the mountain just killed
01:02:16| himself huh crazy right because of the accident we were gonna get busted dude he wasn't supposed to drive that low and that closest billions while they were having
01:02:28| fun hmm so it was a hundred percent his fault because it was just a joyride right yeah it was an escape on the old man breaking goose pulling down yeah you have
01:02:42| permission bye-bye step bring any negative ghostrider that brings me to retirement some people use retirement as an escape and they live with a life that's how
01:02:54| many years you know twenty two sixty three forty forty three or more years of maybe bullshit to retire in a life that you know once you're 63 you're not who you were when you were 30 or 20 or even
01:03:13| don't know why why why don't you that they can't do something for 40 years because it would make them go crazy I'm thinking that the vision that they have their heads of what they will do when
01:03:23| they retire is absolutely different than what what they can do down that road right Yeah right we're gonna travel the world and sell gypsies butter from a can kind of turn
01:03:37| that can and butter yep I don't know weird so that's that's an escapist mentality though if you're if you really don't like your job but you're set thirty
01:03:48| years so I'm just gonna retire and be happy doing this thing that thing is probably not gonna make you happy yeah if you go to them yeah if you go to an an island resort or go cruising like you
01:03:59| think right that's away from everybody that would be a weird thing to do yeah so really the the goal should be to enjoy right now which is what European countries do they enjoy the people that
01:04:11| are near them and they don't think about retirement as much or is that an American issue I've no idea I really have nothing to do with not enough I'm not in America we sell a ton of Dreams
01:04:22| we try to sell as many dreams and fears as possible I think a cool way to put it I never thought of it like that I wouldn't disagree with it you know yeah there's one more form of escapism
01:04:37| we've talked about yet virtual virtual reality ah I think it's getting bigger I think it's really there yet is it yeah I don't think it's quite there I did watch ready player one which has like an
01:04:50| entire world I kind of liked it there are parts that didn't like there's a level that's probably meant for people who are like 30 to 40 there's a level that's meant for like maybe kids but it
01:05:01| switches back and forth which makes it kind of awkward plus it's illogical because all these people are plugged into some virtual world and they're like running around in
01:05:09| the real world like they're not gonna collide or hurt each other just say we're done with this so there is like Second Life which is kind of like ready player one Second Life is a real game
01:05:20| where you can enter in and buy digital items and live life in a digital world they have sex that I mean I mean they probably well we are having sex right now as I type I will stick my river in
01:05:37| you and it's announced live action are there some lonely housewife action hell yeah I could see people living life in that second life and dealing like it's more real than their first life I could
01:05:54| see a little elmo's because they have more indecision they're richer in this life in a way I don't think you can get hurt in the second life
01:06:01| so there's only positives but that seems so fake after you say like here's a question for you so I'm utilitarian meaning I think the greater good for the greater amount of people is good how
01:06:14| much is one old person worth if there are 70 years old how many young people would you say how many are deeds if there are 23 years old how many how many do you save so so if you okay so 60
01:06:28| something 70 all right sorry old person you're worth three young people no no other way around three young people or three old people worth a young person there we go there
01:06:39| okay thank you that's the reverse of what I would think is that person is closer to death yeah young person's worth more Oh am I saying it backwards yeah three oh no three old people is
01:06:52| worth one young person okay yeah yeah you're saying right okay okay just clarifying yeah so here's the idea anyway most of them utilitarian the old
01:07:02| question was okay then let's say you find out everyone's plugged into a matrix machines uses them for energy I'm gonna really just use the matrix it's pretty easy
01:07:12| never back use you like a giant batter you're plugged in but your brain is entirely hooked up to this fake world and you're having a good time in this fake world like everyone's feel pretty
01:07:23| good and there's some people are a little miserable but most it's like life right now most people are fairly happy they don't know that their batteries whatever is it moral if you had the
01:07:33| decision to let everyone sit like that what would you do are you so you're saying are you gonna escape the world to save them or are you gonna be like cypher Joe Pantalone Oh who's gonna go
01:07:47| back into the matrix world and live it like it's the real world second life oh the dude cipher okay Frank's are you confused me I didn't know and you used his real name he threw me off okay yeah
01:07:58| the dude cipher would you which is a more which is morally a better thing to do which should you do if there was another real real
01:08:07| world on top of this one would you go to it I mean your if it you would be saving and keeping me pretty miserable yeah you would yeah definitely the way they bring you back if it's the matrix
01:08:18| but you'd be essentially escaping real life if you were trying to live this life right so if there was a one one that was more painful but real should you go back to that unless you're an
01:08:29| escapist yes no no how many layers are there I know layer beyond that I know I feel like you'd be bonded with the people who were there like if this wasn't a solo
01:08:44| mission and other people decided the same thing as you you would definitely have a bonding moment with them because you decided all together to do this one thing you'd be a trump a binding force
01:08:55| which I think would make you happy in a really weird way all right there's something about the struggle mm-hmm person's happiness isn't necessarily their doing am I using the right term
01:09:09| their bliss isn't their happiness or their I want to separate excitement they can be entertained yeah right there's an excitement in entertainment it's not the same as happiness look at the whole
01:09:22| episode on that but just yeah true happiness there's like a subtle happiness that you can't take away from people there's a joy that's like inside of them that will
01:09:32| never die that's that's happiness getting your way is not the way to get that happiness almost it's almost like counterintuitive happiness yeah the easy way is not gonna gain you
01:09:44| happy to see you all the time yeah struggling going against it kinda brings its own happiness which is a human condition I think it keeps us waffling keeps humans from stagnating maybe
01:09:59| that's part of escapism we we want to escape we want to come back we want to suffer we want to do good we want to be happy we're not happy enough we get bored do you think people and different
01:10:10| flats will never take us over we ahead we're too weird and creative different and we're not happy when we're happy can you imagine a robot trying to like Corral us all you
01:10:25| we can everything that makes humans happy and they're not happy they want something else I can't explain it humans are bastards so do you think people in the first world countries
01:10:35| escaped more or less than people in like third world countries we're like the conditions are only being the third world countries people they escaped milord I think we're the first world
01:10:48| because they're bored soon as they have more time to escape and because they have more escapes they're aware of things abilities er no no like they have more escapes like that's true you know
01:10:59| in VR they don't have a movie at every corner they all Netflix they don't have like eight TVs in their house they don't have a cell phone that has 400 games like they don't have any of that they
01:11:08| just have the people in front of them which keeps them plugged in to fit other people I don't know folks my brains gonna explode I think we did a good job I think I did
01:11:23| good episode I think we'll recover oh boy business escapes daydreaming escapes daydreams alcohol drugs medication a dreams our folks are college with video games
01:11:39| women third world countries music games broads midlife crises women retirement broads they said broads cuz the naughties bring it back International Women's Day and a bunch of terms from a
01:12:06| bunch of terms we'd save that for another day yeah cool yeah good night thank you for listening yeah everyone don't escape real life but
01:12:18| if you do escape it with us bit podcast have a great escape maybe the best escape Oaks we frigging like you like it
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