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00:00:59| those of you are listening along and not watching along we are the unpaid together mm-hmm and we're doing an episode today about our military and the people in it for
00:01:13| veterans our memories of those people the troops yeah so we like to keep things light so we're not too crazy but um do want to pay some respect you know yeah we all know some true peace some
00:01:27| troopers some troops yeah yeah you had someone in your family it was military right I did my grandfather whose name is the exact same name as my name the exact same name as my dad I think he served in
00:01:42| World War one as like an 18 a you a very young mute I don't even know if it was legally of age because they did a lot of number fixing back in the day they joined the Navy and uh I I think he saw
00:01:55| some action but nothing real serious and uh World War two came around and uh he was like 35 and he 35 40 or something I did something do the math huh it was like older no no and he wanted to
00:02:09| joining it and they were like you're too old and he's like I need to joining it and they let him and everyone know they left and everyone on the boat called him grandpa
00:02:19| he was like 38 or something but I don't know I think I'm up someone's got to do the math I I don't have it from me in those stories I only have like one version of the story it's very not
00:02:30| specific so so I think we've avoided being in the military because we're now that almost that age right that we're liking to him if they have a draft they're like you guys it's like no we're
00:02:42| good we're good just do a podcast about the military your time you did that word around support yeah I'll control fly the drones it's fine
00:02:52| I'm pretty good at it so robots that play a call duty will be a robot on the ground you'll be pretty good if they're called duty controls mm-hmm so at 1400 that
00:03:07| breaks it down and you have any wrote this did grandfather he he trained but he never went around the last ones called to go and then he was doing like training in Florida I get I don't need
00:03:22| it yeah we're good and he's a sick cool look to hell right people did die yeah that's pretty a lot of family members people lose and then there are
00:03:32| people who have like career military family members thanks a lot yeah generations and generations of people my name it up okay my neighbor was in it and when you talk about the
00:03:44| reasons people get in it and get out of it a little bit later but he's an inspirational guy cuz you just kind of calm his nature made it seem like he was part of the military because it's all
00:03:55| like yeah you know you know he's not gonna freak out about anything he's just gonna do what he needs to do and he's just calm everything's a job living is a job darling is a job this is a job
00:04:04| there's a job thanks him I have a drama queen el Parian okay well can't have it I mean I would you know I chopped my day is like Renee what Oh be honest do you think they need you do
00:04:31| uh with real live gunfire around you no one ever knows to what happens we could say I would be super thoughtful or I would peed my pants you might be too scared to be escaped to be afraid some
00:04:42| people I feel like become like almost heroic because like during wow you just you just capture when everyone around you died knew like I didn't notice it was so loud thank you I mean I think
00:04:51| it's bravery is a funny thing I would hide as best as I could and find like the Nook where I could shoot out of okay so you're still me don't know thing but you're still helping but you're kind of
00:05:02| cowardly not cowardly what's alert so you are reserving yourself diligent favorite do something that stupid way to do it though if you're like a SWAT team and you're breaking into a
00:05:14| bill I listen I play way to do it I know how it works hands in the air get down the victim has died beat yeah the survivors are tied I used to go in
00:05:26| everywhere with a beanbag shotgun I just start blowing beanbags at everyone man get down man swear I could Sam on the floor writhing and you just buy a victory yeah just arresting everyone is
00:05:39| it ties the ties zip ties I like to think that I don't pretty calm and moments of crises like if I see a car accident or someone gets really hurt or something Crazy's goin on I'm always
00:05:50| like oh I'm pretty calm I don't know if that's aI don't know if I would be that way with a gun going off around me and stuff but I think really outwardly I'm pretty calm but in some way my heart's
00:06:01| like beating like crazy and I feel that blood throbbing you know like I'm standing still and not doing very much I'm just like okay I'm assessing but inside I'm just like if you look on the
00:06:14| pond right column on the surface but underneath them legs turn into my ya lamu be I should don't remember variations for next time for next episode but anyway why are there troops
00:06:30| is my chores all day well you ruined it it's because there's war or folks we wouldn't eat troops if we didn't have war so quick shout-out this holidays really about war and we want to take a
00:06:44| moment to commemorate war great how much it sucks but we won some of them so we're doing it's okay how what do you think our record is it's probably like what two or three four maybe eight six I
00:06:59| wanna see I want to say for free for free you're gonna count so which Wars you're counting is a win for the United States so one Korean I don't know why it is
00:07:08| Benin Berean what we're one and two clear we're a clear pays plenty hold on Civil War did we win hell yeah I guess we did play you fuckin a Confederate flag you lost but either
00:07:23| belief system okay um we kind of would the Afghanistan war we're still in we didn't lose it and yeah we know I guess when you lose a war you don't really talk about it anymore it's like
00:07:37| then like that stepsister they don't want to so shave it like Vietnam I don't but is she is she still around she's right uh it says here she broke up with you bad hey no no I broke up with
00:07:56| her that's all wrong yeah that's hearsay hmm he's lost a few members in there oh yeah I lost a big member in there so I did a little research all wars etc blah blah blah blah blah blah blah so we're
00:08:15| doing the whole we invaded Iraq in 2003 they called the Iraq war ah did in 2011 so called him I couldn't no hundred percent tell you what it was about was that weapons of mass destruction sure
00:08:27| that's the reason we went in there because uh mm even though even though in a different country but anyway hmm whole area so one of the reasons we go to war is to a get resources I'm gonna go
00:08:41| through that I'm gonna go through the list this is quicklist.lists one like economic gain Tutera territorial gain religion nationalism revenge Civil War Revolutionary War and defensive war so
00:08:53| the reason for that war was a oil and B not necessary necessarily territory but pretty ironic cuz all wars are a and B are that oh wow I mean Crusades we didn't do the Crusades it was 1920 but
00:09:10| okay war that happened about we're little bit I agree I would say in United States that wars are all about AMD usually aren't they I guess it depends on which side you're on
00:09:20| because if you're World War 2 then you're Germany you're fighting for nationalism right and a little bit of revenge right from being shot down over one yeah yeah a little bit of four and
00:09:31| five but I'm saying the United States now what about like countries we invade constantly like the aforementioned Vietnam and all that Afghanistan Iraq are they kind of fighting a war of
00:09:43| defense yeah that's ideology I think which in the same list terrible isn't a war of defense the most justice finest yeah yeah strongest position up position so I have pictures
00:09:59| learn the United Nations started because I don't look that up but a lot of wars happened in America's history I didn't have them like there was a list it was like a mile long I didn't realize we
00:10:10| were vaguely involved in some Russian Civil War vaguely involved in like the Sudan release of preserves in 1971 I look like the Navy SEALs going in right just get one team in and it's like
00:10:23| you're involved in that war else oh cool yeah that's a lot so the United Nations was founded on October 24th 1945 at San Francisco was that a point of the World War two it was probably one of the the
00:10:38| terms yeah yeah I think it was it makes sense because now you don't get you don't get people out right attacking countries that we care about because one of the good guys
00:10:49| yeah cuz the defensive war against the United Nations nation would probably result in World War three it would that make sense we can get into actual weapons and everything and why never you
00:11:02| know do understand we get in there not I just go over the numbers of actual wars so Iraq war right it's been going on for roughly 10 years it's officially over I don't know we still troops over there
00:11:14| I'm sure people still get blown to pieces I agree here's an interesting thing let's talk about this because this is gonna come into play when we talk about individual soldiers or stuff
00:11:25| mm-hmm and worse no one knows how to count the dead that's true it's kind of hazy now and yeah no one's out there counting because they're trying to dodge bullets
00:11:35| and so 100% and another thing is people inflate their own numbers people double count bodies no one realized this but during the war the other side like to take their debt with them if they can
00:11:46| you know it's your best friend or whatever you're taking them back did you hand your tree you take the body yeah um so people are medevacked and die later some people are literally blown to
00:11:55| smithereens there's no body parts / made bombs laying mines goal stuff like that they don't count them there's there's literally dozens of reasons carnage
00:12:06| yes so no one actually knows how many people died there's double accounts there's people who desert their post before it happened so once the work layer is over it's like oh he's not here
00:12:17| he must have died hmm changed his name now he lives it brightened he's going he's wearing a wig and now he's a woman I respect that daniela but i got some numbers on two
00:12:40| wars right ah so these are these are numbers as they were taken during the war wikipedia sure yeah the penes version numbers okay it's just what you know they it's I'm not
00:12:54| gonna - you know okay Iraq when we were just discussing about 10 years we've heard about it for forever nearby tensor analysis cosine cosine what do you have the u.s.
00:13:09| numbers no it was just it was both sides to the war you can look up US casualties is probably way more or no probably way more the other way it's way cure us casual is probably closer to 10,000
00:13:21| pointy toe I would guess good fried just the Iraq war so they said about 5,000 deaths and 30,000 wounded which is done wounded in action WIA which I know got seen everybody but it's interesting that
00:13:39| like I've heard about that forever and it's like a big part of everyday life and people get deployed over there and ones worried they're gonna die so what I kind of a small number but 4,000 is a
00:13:48| lot but how many people died in the World Trade Center actually remember I totally 203 well three thousand about three thousand yeah oh I guess first responders are on the ground everyone
00:14:03| else also get at people the building so this is insensitive I'm gonna start right there say that but like a good if you compare the numbers it's a comparative number like if you're going
00:14:12| to take these civilians who are not in a war and then you're gonna take people who are warriors and battle on someone else's soil like three thousand versus like
00:14:21| five thousand people like the Warriors need to step up for those three thousand people all right it's but it's also nice that the three thousand people's choice at all either no no right well so hold
00:14:33| on so I went over all the major Wars that we know as a person who grew up in the 80s the only Wars I ever heard of a war one world war two Vietnam Korean War which I barely knew I I didn't include
00:14:45| the Gulf War because it couldn't find any stats on it on that page especially quick it was during the first Bush's urging Russia right correct I anyway Afghanistan and Iraq were the
00:14:57| major Wars with my I don't know they're probably way more and historical knowledge right it's my general historical knowledge what I grew up knowing grown-up stupid average American
00:15:07| right I'm surprised you put yourself in that class Korean or which is the fifties nineteen fifty two fifty three one two million lives lost as a big number now I imagine again most foreign
00:15:22| American that's one of those interesting Wars where you have superpowers on the other side so like the the northern Koreans wanted to attack the south for some reason you unify them and the u.s.
00:15:32| bag of the south and because North Korea was communist at the time I believe those all the communist powers were like well let's spread communism you know the southern side was and I
00:15:42| believe I don't remember what kind of government was but all the non-communist free people were fighting to see the freedom you know it's one of those were the like the wars would have been won by
00:15:53| the internal struggle of the country like if the country had no their outside players they would have conquered one side or the other but the u.s. stepped in was like nope and then see us out of
00:16:03| winning then up china's like ah no no no so the superpowers are actually doing the fighting through the country like they're passive-aggressive fighting which is weird there's flat fighting
00:16:15| yeah so again lot now I think most the other side how about Afghanistan war tactic from 1978 to present it's not over so go crazy hey Bart I mean it's amazing like
00:16:32| it must be like really rugged country you can't get in there and yeah well you ever see that Moab vacation there the mother of all bombs yeah they'd rather they drop that thing on like a mountain
00:16:42| because they thought they were like their cave systems inside of it the thing is the biggest bomb ever to collapse those tunnel systems did it did it to work that was like last year yeah
00:16:52| was yeah it was bad it is don't remember you gotta shoot your pants if you're like a terrorist and you see that thing go off like that's like that's the step down but it's like so poly fuels you to
00:17:03| fight back harder a little bit maybe I don't know you've got your what a k47 and you're just like shooting bullets you see this thing just like like just Roy's like almost an entire Mountain I
00:17:15| mean you figure that's all your people didn't get went away the only thing you can do is fight I don't know that is true I don't know I mean that's the essence of war right right so we'll get
00:17:27| into that but um so moving on in Vietnam War 1955 1975 but it really it was 20 years long that's crazy this a long time and if people get tired of it right away
00:17:37| right right this is the pennant it went through ups and downs and probably kept going down more downs than ups and more more people dying that that's cold that toll and there's a lot of ranges on
00:17:48| these 800,000 totalled that it's a 3.8 million week long so then we get into a world war one which is all the world's big players involved people were sending people overseas to fight not
00:18:04| hand-to-hand but just about next to end names that were the trenches started yeah that house won most of the disease is flowing through the trenches you had like rats and all sorts of stuff because
00:18:14| that's where people were like face-to-face fighting each other and aligned like that we see in movies but on 1914 to 1918 numbers I got work eight it's a 21 million it's crazy that that's
00:18:26| such a stretch they estimated 213 million dead World War one all right so hold on World War 2 was the deadliest war in modern times 1939 to 1945 they have it estimated between 15
00:18:42| million people died that's a pretty big number to eat five million people died so it makes sense I mean if you're gonna because you don't know where machine you're trying to support it with food
00:18:53| and stuff and your price stealing food from so how many people how many people starve because many people die of disease happy year later won't be dying three years later you considered a
00:19:01| casualty of war but you died from a wound for more gas right I would say so yeah if the war never happened about what about ten years you got some specifics I hope you have a case where
00:19:13| here like no no I just riveted LED is arthritis if I get a gun too much but um I compared it to ancient times there's a list of ancient wars and most of them were like thousands of people died and
00:19:29| it wasn't as big a deal but there's it's hard to keep track back then of the dead that is true there were fewer there were few fewer people and transportation wasn't the same so not that many people
00:19:39| could die in one and it was good at math yeah has didn't work I don't know I guess they were dumb so I had the three kingdoms war which was in China it was between the gin and wheat we dynasty or
00:19:53| Wooga and see huh it was around the time of the fall of the Han Dynasty third they estimate again these numbers are because the year was 184 I like how like our are like 36 to 40 people died they
00:20:08| say so that's probably like so I'm on my list I have a list that's a message for the population that's all has this list work pump my brakes I don't know how they adjust for I guess they call it
00:20:18| they do like population and then they inflate it as time goes on so like you said 36 million people died I think it's the on Lucien rebel rule is what you're talking about
00:20:29| but there was like a Tang Dynasty and there's a bunch of people that were like oh I'm an around the Year 200 a century this is different I don't know if that falls on my list
00:20:42| it's interesting might be too far back who's the earliest whatever war I could find on I don't puncture them because the American educational also American educational systems does not
00:20:56| talk about China whatsoever they don't care about any of the wars that happened in China I've never heard of one work yeah internal struggle we're just like it's just China we just know its
00:21:07| position there's a lot of people yeah way more people fighting over landed in America yeah China it's a lot of that's all we know we're dumb enough to just keep reciting
00:21:20| the same fact over and over again I mean we're in school what are you gonna do I mean China has a lot of people in it so you would think there's probably twice as much drama warfare whatever where mom
00:21:37| let's go my bullet just took my shoes off alive on the podcast pound daddies it's real drama no not drama real joy you're seeing on my face yeah I'm all day live for a child it's not like
00:21:52| getting angry when you're we're like let's all day not like a soldier that's another thing is you can't compare to a soldier never I did am I trying to steal Balor no yeah I don't think you are okay
00:22:05| you know no I don't is there is there some kind of background it's called Stolen Valor a lot of people who start these programs from wounded vets or um ex-military or we send our
00:22:19| money over the troops is a charity it's very small like wounded irate warrior sure a little bit like that but like really small like a little mom and pop organizations we donate a couple
00:22:29| thousand dollars could you get a hundred dollars they do that kind of stuff sometimes you have Marines show up at places and it's like this is an ex-marine he um he's out of work you
00:22:38| gotta this and can you donate some money to this is part of a movement a program whatever and people people donate like you know people are told you're good job yeah it's good cause you can rent a
00:22:50| Marine outfit you can just buy an American flag you can have an American flag in the name for the troops donation charity and just pocket all the money there's nothing legally that says you
00:23:01| have to so anytime this kind of stuff happens it's called Stolen Valor there's a lot of story to this so it's like my advantage of a war exactly and it happens a lot I think it happened a
00:23:14| lot back in the day as well I couldn't find any exact examples but stolen dollars real and those people are jackasses yeah it's time I hope they get shot at by real soldiers that's our
00:23:27| official stance and panders quit I'm not I'm I am not stealing valor yeah oh yeah I'm not I would never do that good we'll talk about my list though my diamond so my my just as listed value
00:23:43| okay oh no I just so the first one I mentioned was the Lucien revolt and Lucien was like the guy who became an emperor attempted to dominate China so he he had death hope like 30 exhaling up
00:23:57| which was equated to about 400 million people today's date him that's like s its percentage in the population yeah adjusted most of these are China so like the Mongol conquest which was I
00:24:11| think it was like Genghis Khan he bundles yeah the adjusted death toll was about 300 million hey which makes sense because he was the one who kind of coined the term decimate she would kill
00:24:23| the tenth person regardless who that were Inc I heard this in a podcast a previous podcast I did like that awful decimated of people Middle East LAIV trade that's a lot hundred thirty
00:24:38| million people Ming Dynasty honor this Chinese stuff that I never knew about time for room 100 million people and tomorrow Timberlane my god yeah yeah we talked yeah we talked about him and uh
00:24:52| bad leaders yeah yeah he's right about a hundred million people and then this one hits home which is why we never talk about again because we're shameful lost annihilation of the American
00:25:05| Indians Oh a Trail of Tears tech deal 92 million adjusted for today's time which was 20 million back then which is a lot as some of that might be disease but we tell me
00:25:16| that a lot of it was I agree now Trail of Tears we force the move on so obviously from the land what would happen if they were susceptible toward disease though we're clearly
00:25:29| pushing them and you know you know trying to steal their stuff but it would have been different I imagine no that's one of the things that I'm afraid of Charles you too yeah
00:25:41| I'm thinking maybe like I'm afraid that like maybe there's a country out there that's developing AI technology and robots and we have treated seas to say that we're not gonna do that but if
00:25:50| another country does do that and then starts to dominate what are you gonna do what no we have a treaty here now there's a I have this piece of paper but that's a comes right through it yeah so
00:26:01| that's the scary thing is that wars are persistent things because people are constantly battling getting better learning from each other it's just constant intelligence to learn about not
00:26:12| to mention there's only limited land and resources and more and more people yeah and there's there were stats back then like the was it Mountain Mao Zedong he thought that the perfect number was like
00:26:25| somewhere around 500 700 million people on his conscience so it's like he didn't even try to improve like the way food is made or sent around the country he just was like too bad well people will die
00:26:38| yeah good for us up trust me this is even it out by not having more children well you're talking about some pretty bad dudes I don't like that can we talk about any good dudes I want
00:26:48| to get to one so there's two more things I wanna say Atlantic santak slave trade as in they're about 80 million people and then the second world war I just wanted to get to that one because that's
00:26:57| the benchmark is about 55 million people adjusted how that's interesting I wonder why the numbers though actually the number is higher if you take the the mean so the war average in 36.6 they did
00:27:12| a mean average because no one knows how many people died yeah so 55 would still be an increase but by population density I gotcha gotcha Oh interesting yep sir Sarah Pell yeah I liked it I
00:27:26| specifically search for that because I was like it doesn't make sense some today's terms to talk about they give you had a war when they were like and Eve leave the garden kill somebody
00:27:36| that's like ten percents population it's a lot of population right there just decimated them happy we would say that then versus now you can kill million people hundred million people
00:27:48| Romney only pecker Robin but yeah listen I was going to talking about American war heroes and other warriors sure did you do any research on General Patton I did not
00:28:06| bomb Mahan General Patton five-star general who was one of the first they started five-star generals in 1940 I actually didn't write a panel 4544 so I'm guessing during World War two he um
00:28:20| he served in World War one his sister someone know that was a different person towards the papers that was someone else did he know how did you see yeah yeah I did I read the first five senses yeah
00:28:34| I'll talk about that guy okay talk about him because I think I started crossing their path okay you so his story I'll definitely get it straight okay yeah Audion he was the
00:28:43| most decorated officer in World War I'm gonna say - yeah or - so he falsified papers to get in there because he was like 15 or 16 at the time he dropped out of fifth grade so there's a cotton fit
00:28:59| it's crazy because it's not that far as like I did years ago the guy dropped out so he could feed his family it's like right it's awful so he joined us war when he was 15 or 16 by the time
00:29:11| he's 19 he's doing things that like an officer or like someone you think would be like in your mind who'd be like 30 or support the war and he's doing a ton so he he's the most decorated man and what
00:29:29| war - and has about here's a list I have to scroll down it's like crazy there's like 30 different awards that he got the Bell are going on there some real Valor imagine if you like what's speeding
00:29:41| through your town and you're a cop and you pulled them over and then he just like had on this like chest full it's like like sir sir well I reach for my paperwork and you
00:29:54| see my lapel yeah so he was in a politic battles and he did on an amazing stuff he was like most of these people are like sharpshooters so there's they're smart about the way they approach things
00:30:06| and they're hunters too so like if you're gonna see like the following to which I think you're gonna bring up I this guy knew what he was doing the sad part about it is that he did all
00:30:18| the stuff when he was really young like is entirely from like age like 16 to 19 so like imagine being in high school and doing anything else he I don't know it says how many people he actually killed
00:30:30| me he just tried to wake up a nut Jo into the wrong sock [Music] versus killing a hundred people killing a hundred and so people yeah the sad
00:30:42| part about it is that he came back he was a famous actor during that time period I didn't know that I didn't know that either some of these people spun off into careers and politics or acting
00:30:52| but he also had post-traumatic stress disorder PTSD and he had a loaded gun so he would sleep with a loaded gun under his pillow it's like hmm oh yeah you know what though if someone's gonna do
00:31:07| it this guy he knows how to use it I mean is he gonna accidentally shoot himself I mean Oscar Pistorius type thing that was a weird segue but like he claims he accidentally shot his woman I
00:31:20| don't remember she's a wife at the time I he so possibly historian John wake up and you're a sharpshooter so like you wake up in the back story on that guy is that you know I didn't know amputated
00:31:30| right is faked his a leg he's an Olympic athlete and so the story is that he woke up in the night he thought someone was moving rustles I was bad for him right now meanwhile he has a girlfriend or
00:31:43| wife I was camera which it was it I thought she got her while she was on the toilet I'm not paying he shot the shot through the door he shot through the door I felt like how
00:31:56| logical are you to think that someone's in your bathroom and hence they say he really murdered her yes I don't know what comes out thank you oh my god I feel like he
00:32:07| was found innocent but maybe a mom I was like that son of a gun got off he played the no legs card you know they did oh damn it okay 2013 Wow time goes fast anyway no
00:32:23| I'm sorry but someone with PTSD or something like you figure it's not a good idea to have loaded am going because like someone's walking into the room or like leaving zone and kill
00:32:32| anybody you know right and I felt like it wouldn't be an accident because these trained murdering sharpshooter he's like really good with a weapon it's not like you've missed god yeah yeah no he blow
00:32:47| like nine holes in you before you really thought about it yeah I mean but imagine if you had killed somebody with your own hands or if you had woken up to find people
00:32:54| killing your your soldier friends so you wouldn't immediately shooter you immediately react so in that case like having the gun under your pillow is like all this guy's
00:33:04| he's ready you know he's prepared its but in our daily lives so no no well this is a different daily life a different yeah it's a different like um the everyone's
00:33:15| favorite Chris Kyle yeah America see dark did you see that I did is it did you have he has 160 confirmed kills which is pretty good I mean it's good especially because it's a firm kill
00:33:30| includes a lot of details like it's like he could have killed 200 250 people who knows yeah and it's one of the things that reported back like the way they report things back now is more calm so
00:33:43| did you know the information us the US Army and the US Navy had the lead I don't know about the Air Force and everything else do not actually record kills officially officially officially
00:33:56| the branches within do huh so then I'm still weird up and out they correct classified until it gets Declassified maybe and then guess maybe that would make sense
00:34:06| but either way that's another reason why these numbers seem too and then that's another funny thing like sometimes newspapers will release the information they're like four hundred were killed in
00:34:14| Baghdad but really that number is based on whose Intel American Intel of Baghdad and it's not just America its SEAL Team six combined with the naval team here that
00:34:28| was stationed here and what they saw combined with what the people on the ground in civilians might tell them and they combine all the information be like good so 200 and in the print it but
00:34:39| that's not official numbers yeah plus in the situations where you have like a definitive like boundary that you can't cross think there's no way to count right right correct
00:34:47| so there's it's very weird stuff anyway good number um he had PTSD eventually kind of led to him losing his life other that movie did pretty good yeah there were situations where he had
00:35:00| to morally choose what was right and wrong and and Bradley Cooper the pig baby yeah good see a child so hold on I have something interesting so he's a sniper
00:35:15| right snipers don't kill as many people just by proxy well I guess it depends no because they get to survive longer they get to pick and choose or they kill they get to see and pick they do but
00:35:27| they don't see as many people I don't think it's not like a sniper hangs out in the bell tower and is shooting while the war is going on usually sniper has trained targets they have people they're
00:35:35| supposed to take out it sometimes it came out for days weeks at a time looking for one guy one guys have it's really look for the open shot I digress um my man McHale Surkov sniper Russian
00:35:53| he has 702 confirmed World War two kills for a sniper 702 correct he's the most hailed sniper of all time female argued because it's Russian numbers like the you know they cooked the whole thing and
00:36:08| this bullshit who knows I don't know but real crazy let's talk about the soldier who had the most confirmed kills of all time so that his name I did time to mention his name whoa who's his name
00:36:24| Dillard Johnson mom and so I read a story about diligent that's it he had like twenty seven hundred kills as like an infantryman dispute good yeah it's under dispute he
00:36:39| came out everything that something like something was weird about the numbers and even said it himself like there's I'm pretty like this is some summarizing it but he said there's no way I killed
00:36:49| how many people I think the numbers are more like 100 something and it got inflated somehow through his memoirs because he wrote he wrote as many hours through a ghostwriter who then inflated
00:37:00| them and then it came back as like plot for almost a movie and he's like whoa wait like I don't want to be go down in history it's like you don't accidentally go above Miquel circles number you don't
00:37:11| accidentally go go Chris Kyle's number you know what I'm saying 102 was uh yeah is great oh he got so there's a knots or cough but okay finish guy named seam oh hey ha mm-hmm film ended he was in
00:37:32| Finland to someone started invading his country Soviet Union and so he went out he had it he was a natural hunter right Anna because there's Blin he just went out one day he's put on his clogs she
00:37:46| dressed halt was no a backdrop they called him the white death waddling wouldn't see him they didn't know where he's got his shots were coming from he's credited with killing 705 people take
00:38:02| that Russia so he killed like 500 people with his with his rifle no it's I mean would you even answer that territory if you knew her soldier like I would I would just be like okay I'm where we're
00:38:14| gonna go over now see you get into a weird territory um what do you do when you're told to do it let's say your faction is getting decimated or even worse shredded hmm there's a tank over
00:38:31| there you and like a ragtag group of 40 men or in one infantry group your your corporal or whatever he's called Manzi to do something stupid sure your boss yep
00:38:47| depends on what rank you are what rank he if I didn't want to he says no we got a March over here they told us to and you're like literally marching in a certain death they have a tag it killed
00:38:57| like seven infantry groups that were better than you and you're just one group and most seared like Muslim guys in your troop or shitheads what do you do
00:39:07| I mean do you just march in there you go like maybe won't do okay I hope we get good so yeah I'm gonna pretend to March really gonna hide in that Bush over there
00:39:25| private dan why so slow lieutenant day perhaps perhaps oh yeah the medic comes over I'm just like we're both gonna die if we run over there yeah another thing is infantry mmm everything
00:39:42| about the word infant no really means like youthful army so it's like the the people there I heard about this in it was Blood Diamond because they recruited the teenagers and the youth to fight in
00:39:58| their war so they were literally infantry because they're almost infants it's pretty messed up yeah so they call the people that just run in blindly infantry so if your
00:40:10| inventory you're fucked you kind of are but I would definitely subvert I would find a way not to die I would be like offering suggestions and be like no you just go to March March on the tank
00:40:23| I should have Dave another fridge this guys getting court-martialed we tell you that yeah dishonorable G Haram so we took the Chris Kyle we talked a little bit about PTSD General Patton was the
00:40:38| most decorated war heroes ever he pulled him over one for World War two if um his nickname was old blood and guts good then good good man he was so hardcore I think I don't remember what country they
00:40:52| were in this was during World War two I heard he went into a hospital where one of soldiers was he didn't want to play I don't know if this is in Germany France
00:41:03| I can't remember the soldier needs to soldier do more fight and he said what's wrong with you at least I'm he's really scared I've never been this scared in my life
00:41:12| General Patton just smashed him across the face and grabbed his gun and tried to shoot him in the head Wow and they stopped him and you know everybody calmed them down or whatever
00:41:23| and he said I just can't believe he won't wanna fight for his 400,000 brethren and it's it's a little weird it's a little hardcore because I understand celebrating guy ever you know
00:41:35| what he used to do those two kids or two or three kids this is two or three of the kids I heard there they were in a punkin I was instinctive oh yeah and they said um their dad used to say you
00:41:47| can't flinch with pain because that lets the enemy know or something little little bizarre between I think they were I think there were sons so it's not girls they only do this to the boys when
00:41:56| English I guess put his cigar out on their arm and say just don't flinch you'll be okay and if you pledge I'll beat holy hell so wait out of the two sons the one
00:42:10| figured out this is the brighter of the two that the first one to get the ashes wasn't as bad for some reason the second time you get the ashes is worse oh no because it's smoldered longer or it's
00:42:21| getting doubled I don't know are burning Barrens quicker there was no logic I have no idea he just started always volunteering to go first and hoping to god he didn't flinch
00:42:30| at the time so now tell me that guy doesn't have PTSD like crazy stuff going on solo might and I understand is twitches human and again I'm not against him being a hero for the American people
00:42:43| but there is a tipping point where you go too far yeah there's a way you become a machine and it's analogical for the average person to be that if the other person is a machine like that there's a
00:42:57| problem what you also what you just said you lose your humanity quite literally if your machine you're not a human anymore so you give away all your humanity then what's the
00:43:08| who are you fighting for does it even matter you'd be fighting for either side of your machine right you don't care matter so that's the humanity part of it if we are fighting a
00:43:19| country or an idea okay you're fighting commies so you're fighting the Nazis and if you're an actual warrior you've killed a person so at a certain point you might realize that you've killed
00:43:31| people that could be your friends I've heard story of people that say you know like 20 years later they're like I was at this spot fighting someone here and I shot this person and then they say like
00:43:44| they find that the person that was on the other side they were like yeah you shot my friend and then those people like start talking and they're like these are average these
00:43:52| are regular people and they become friends and they say you know we forgive you for doing this because it was like an idea that we were fighting but who wants to fight other people when they
00:44:02| actually get to know other people no one usually that's that's the whole goal of fighting anytime there's a war the main goal of the warring factions is to make the other side look less than human
00:44:17| you're right about our way the individuality of those people and they just make up my unit they dehumanize them and make them look like the bad guy you have to make them
00:44:26| look like the bad guy you can't win telling your people you're the bad guy yeah do you know any mean I agree so to do so you have to spread misinformation or lies or cast a weird net over the
00:44:40| other group like what Hitler did with the Jews I think that right they're the bad guys they're stealing everything they're what's wrong with Europe like you have to create the other if you can
00:44:50| make the other side look so subhuman or bad or threatening to you that's the only way you can get everyone to fight yeah or you're telling them that like if you're captured by these people it's
00:45:00| gonna be awful which morning actually strange is that like most POWs do endure some awful things because the other people believe that you're you're inhuman less than you which is crazy I
00:45:14| guess it's the fear the whatever keep - can you imagine if you're like I the other side Germans right now but they're just like you and I I mean they ended up being the
00:45:27| just like you they're just like us but anyway we're we have to shoot them hard and bleed our blood they they have problems oh they have wives and children and most of them didn't really want to
00:45:38| be here and it's kind of hot today and they're sweating and they're I worse play where else but we're higher than high but we we have a we have to shoot them it's art someone told me the guy up
00:45:48| top told me we have to shoot them okay yeah did the guy worry we're good we have to shoot them they're bad guys it's weird like when you think about it and break it down you have to keep
00:45:57| dehumanizing because to do otherwise maybe like here's a picture of his wife she's beautiful but you might have air support it's like if you're in a war long enough to actually come and contact
00:46:10| it listen when you've killed you're taking over the line you get to you get to take a look at their wall you probably start to understand that that's nuts
00:46:18| you imagine have a a lot of them carried the letters to their wives or mistresses or whoever and I mean they're kids you start reading imagine if they weren't speaking German but they're speaking
00:46:28| English they start yelling at you to be like no just stop and man you eternity oh my dude if you were fighting someone from like New Jersey she's like this is messed up it is I mean I kid I can't
00:46:42| think of a good reason for war other than defensive what we mentioned earlier which is weird because our idea module we're gonna get into religions later but I can see someone being oppressive with
00:46:54| their religion and that's not how our country works I guess were you saying they're bringing the religion to our place and forcing it to everyone I mean they're enforcing a certain yeah only
00:47:05| mixing religion and government and making it oh oh think it'll work although I know they talked about that and another thing I want to talk about wah wah country later on well then the
00:47:18| religion come in and try to take over town and they merged government and religion and they use the government was just like nope you can't do that church and state charges date separation so
00:47:32| warfare back in the nineteen you're lying up in the trenches dude you're throwing some big it is amazed you sound little I can feel the firepower you don't mean like really
00:47:50| boys you got like high the coil yeah yeah something like that and then you got to reload each one it's just it's a different feel yeah I down the down the scope and it's
00:48:00| not actually a scope it's usually just a a sight than iron sights like you know I mean you gotta actually look through the iron sight aim it up with the next site and your shoot at people you see helmets
00:48:12| over there you see dudes over there you're just you're going nuts I monogrammed clips or eight rounds oh eight okay I'd submit it was unique because that one gun actually has like a
00:48:23| weird clip that goes into the top and you'd always see yourself reloading it and then then I played mm-hmm yeah but fast forward a little bit World War two like crazy experimentation happen they
00:48:40| get the mustard gas and all that ooh talk about chemical warfare I mean I well that's where I'm headed so you start finding more ways to kill more people quicker
00:48:51| guns were advanced chemicals advanced bombs were advanced they started talking about the h-bomb the atom bomb America actually to this day they're the only country to drop actually use it and use
00:49:07| it another country that's not the time to do sales over yeah I hate to do this some like Memorial Day if all this stuff makes America settled the bank I know is I know but all for America but um just
00:49:24| keep finding more ways to kill more people faster and more efficiently so do you think we're at the ceiling now is that everyone now is the nuclear weapon is deciding this is gonna be awful if we
00:49:35| use it and only taking was that one today is that with the Cold War was kind of about yeah I mean if it was and it wasn't but they both were the Doomsday Clock
00:49:44| they're gonna launch all their nukes and we're gonna launch our nukes and that happens everyone's asked have real and so that was a peak of warfare you can't get higher than that can you
00:49:57| you can't kill more people what you kill the entire earth instead that would kill yourself like you don't I mean yeah so that is the peak of warfare I imagine so now that we've peaked we're refining new
00:50:11| ways to kill groups of people I guess her surgical attacks so there's ray right with the nuclear war option it's more like a it's less like a peace treaty getting more like a stalemate and
00:50:21| then now we're thinking of ways to figure out at the back down gets smaller attacks ironically so we're switching drones now unmanned doesn't cost any manpower no man is actually killing
00:50:35| anyone really it is there's somebody in like Vegas or some remote base killing people and I had statistics on fidgets the number of people killed it was very low
00:50:48| actually for as I drove thousand people by drones and the civilian side of it was like five percent which sounds like maybe it's maybe that sounds good I don't know okay remember World War two
00:51:02| London bombings where they drop it incendiary bombs on one good character like it was like that was like 50-50 chance probably like 8020 chance this my
00:51:12| beautiful graph had it drop to grab folks mmm another funny thing is um right now we're we're seeing a lot of chemical attacks sarin gas and whoa it's the the
00:51:28| poisoning of that spy so Russia was trying to take out somebody because they must have known something I don't know what like I don't see across it but that's the wrong thing
00:51:39| rosin is the one that was the White House and always was being emailed to everyone it wasn't about rosin rosin if I emailed I mean regular mail that was in baby bed I don't know enough about
00:51:52| this talk about it I'll be honest and you know this pie was so like a spy and somebody else was killed and it was very obvious that the the poison that was used came from
00:52:03| Russia and Russia was just like what and then everyone's like no you did it so they were like oh let's see underhanded spy games that probably happen all the time like what right I don't no idea a
00:52:15| leader was killed from the past it was probably because the government installed sorry and they were to do it well but that stuff was never talked about I don't even know if it gets
00:52:24| Declassified because it wasn't a podcast like ours that blow wide open wide open film painters blows open sirhan sirhan yeah we got you or was that friends burned in no idea what she said anyway
00:52:41| it's the famous killer and one's the famous Archduke that was killed as sort of one of the wars camera wins with so as well I talk about Oh what it's like to be a military person like what are
00:52:58| your options so if here so like we had different different takes on life I guess because we both one of the same high school and then we went to college and we took
00:53:09| careers from there if you're military person there's usually like a reason because it's either generational or you don't have enough money you need a job essentially or you really want to kill
00:53:21| people or you want to stand for cost there are people like that yeah yeah they probably are shit like financially I like the financial part of it because it it's ideal I almost actually
00:53:32| considered the financial other take me out of the military I swear to God to do like to pay for college it so if you so the current bill right now the GI Bill is if you work
00:53:43| I guess work for the military or if you're listed man for three years for it they will pay for four years like three years continuous which turns out to four years non continuous summers often say
00:53:55| yeah so they'll pay up to a public tuition or 20 something thousand dollars for a private low to it yeah it actually seems like a good deal because you can pay off your loans is that a payment for
00:54:12| like if you wanted to game the system and really think about it like if you could plan this out you're in high school you would probably go in the military and then come back
00:54:21| become a doctor and then so after if you've worked for the federal government for twenty years you get a pension of fifty percent of what if you're making so you say you're not still working for
00:54:35| the government if you become a doctor though are you you could have a private practice so at NASA there are people who are working as a civil servant working for the federal government and you could
00:54:47| work as a government a government so far doctor no government contractors isn't covered okay but yeah you could continue on and then work in that capacity for another 20 years
00:54:59| so imagine starting the military at 18 you probably take a hiatus by the time you're 40 you probably have enough time to retire and make 50% of whatever you're making and if you're educated
00:55:10| you're probably making maybe you know six figures so you could then retire at 40 and then you get full medical benefits immediately like most pensions take take effect when you're in
00:55:23| your 60s but this this takes effect right away so if you look wider this is a little bit everyone listening seventeen no one's lost attention they're saying no one's going to do it
00:55:38| the problem is that like the military lifestyle and this is my neighbor who talked about earlier he was in the military for I would say like two tours so a tour is I think a minimum of three
00:55:52| years me except and a maximum of like six years it was using two tours it could be like I won ten years but by that time you're starting a family probably you're almost years of your
00:56:04| life yeah and you're gone better regularly 23rd exactly that's the best time the most fun you can have they know that yeah and you're gone you're out in another country sweating your ass off
00:56:17| probably for at least you know possibly dying six to 18 months do you might be doing something really boring too I mean I know people do it because they're
00:56:30| people who do it because they don't know what to do I know some people do it and it shapes their lives in a good way but I also think there's some people who get indoctrinated by it um turn out worse
00:56:44| where yeah like any other profession in life or any other walk of life I feel like there's some real jackals who do this kind of thing but they're also some real friggin good people who do this
00:56:57| thing I was listening to a podcast about a guy who was in the military for 17 years and he said that it made sense because most of the military has objectives and they're trying to
00:57:08| accomplish some goal so it's it's progressive and it's very definitive so he came back and was like a manager for a grocery store and he said like it's very abysmal like there's no goal in
00:57:19| sight so that's like with the conquer Whole Foods like yeah ok let's take over an aisle one at one island yeah yeah it is weird you're not only going through school high school possibly college
00:57:37| possibly military by the time you're like 28 you get out and now you're like freedom and you're like what do I do next like you know I mean you don't know how
00:57:49| to live your life a little bit I was thinking about the shark tank equivalent because they like the glove the military people because the military be more regimented a nice military term they do
00:57:59| yeah it's a determine they know what their predictable they're very predictable yeah so like they would make their bed in the morning wake at the same time in pairing and just execute so
00:58:09| there their goal in life is to do something it's not like some people just like I'm done so if you were to execute this plan and move forward with it by the time you're 28 you're free to do
00:58:20| what you want if you've done an intelligent move you could become a doctor or somebody educated to make more money and work in the field that easily provides for you right it's not a bad
00:58:32| choice no it is and it makes sense I mean so if people like you and I would not be good at this I feel it to switch essentially right Gil military yeah I don't think I could be military to
00:58:49| regimented and I I'm a nonconformist I'm a little brave right sort of so it's like a little bit we get the government but uh another thing is if you are so the pension is if you don't do the
00:59:07| educational route if you're opposite of us and just want to do military after 20 years you can actually take 50 percent of your pension 50 percent your salary yeah so it's not bad it's yeah
00:59:19| money-wise it makes it does yeah and most people are making an average of like 30 grand so by the time they retire they probably make it 50 and then they get half of that so the you like 25
00:59:29| automatic without her it's not bad move thought smart move and we turned it into a little bit of a shit on America episode because it deserves it sometimes but we will come
00:59:45| around and say that uh most and service people we know end up being good people and they go for good reasons whether it's also because of money yeah make it simple feel justifying the cost right
00:59:58| but also they are defending our country I know that sounds weird as most of the time they're on the defense of the other countries hood but someone does have to do the good things for us so what does
01:00:13| have to do the dirty things for us sometimes when people shit on American military moves but sometimes stuff does have to be done does have to be done that's good I'm trying to think week
01:00:28| specific example oh there's a dog I know it's is retracting really hard and it's early the pockets then don't indict name where does he live that's Otis Hill we did full month I give him four months to
01:00:45| it that's a party park for a deadly dog oh no he's dying he's running joke here I said he's dying he's a million for four years I think you ever seen the graph of like how many
01:00:58| people believe that terrorists kill versus how many people are actually killed by terrorists uh yeah the terrorist number is like 15 yeah it's like 2% like how many people actually
01:01:09| think terrorists killed and it's like it's fear that drives all that decision but I prevent the terrorists from from happening like going on their soil and attacking them there it makes sense sort
01:01:22| of it does I mean a little bit because otherwise they like be here but that's a mite it's a weird thing to say yeah either way I do respect anyone who's willing to go overseas and just I mean
01:01:35| they do good things as in there's like dictator regimes that they're trying to take down like these dictators are screwing over thousands of people making mothers starve and children die and
01:01:47| stuff and like I get it if your American military you go over there and you're trying to change it so that they can vote and have a republic like that makes sense do you didn't mean yeah the
01:01:57| ideology ideology is right is like trying to take over areas and like cutting on right order to be violence is wrong you want people to hammer your door down under your door down have a
01:02:11| choice and I respect the soldiers for that so yeah I can't tell any of those they're eating invading you I think that around suppertime get anymore and bitch you got
01:02:24| a ghost man I don't know we will say something about the POWs though there's a one stadium in Biloxi that has the memorial for ever since World War one enemy baseball team right yeah 90,000
01:02:39| people unaccounted for American soldiers lost some more it's a lot of people that you can't count from caffeine and they might you know they're probably responsible for us being here having a
01:02:50| cushy country and living pretty well huh this stuff wasn't a give their life but we're here given podcast huh we're going to say to any about some old umbrella oh yeah well you want to say how it
01:03:06| perfectly are twined with Memorial Day uh-huh hold it there might go Orioles certainly are like Arlington probably are where what was his name
01:03:18| Damon not Arlington Road where the bombs a spoiler alert last night Audie Murphy's Brooke has buried at Arlington most remember him so if you check out our reddit there's a guy
01:03:36| holding a an umbrella over a soldier who is next to that memorial in that Stadium and it's you know it's not worthy it is hope that was a holy girl yeah he has to go home hmm
01:03:53| any truth to the rumor he was a JROTC marine cadet and he wasn't actually a soldier I'm just good dad he just randomly stood there there's a rumor well hey I mean this is job still you
01:04:07| just might not be a soldier I didn't click on the story on be honest with you I'm gonna read the titles that's what we have for you today folks were the under it here yeah thanks
01:04:19| for soldiers we eat the soldiers but mostly we love the soldiers soldiers that against the sweet though the country soldiers yeah third country soldiers so Iran's upper topic what else
01:04:32| we got we have some other is it non-military zombies gonna talk about yeah I went to a wedding yeah it was awesome you did nice it was a cousin's wedding
01:04:42| cousins like two of them alright I'll tell you two things how nas it so dill then right a big big lover of the show yeah what if his friends is marrying it cousin his own
01:04:57| cousin no well now like a first cousin it's a sex item hasn't yeah so it's really not a completely different and it's legal and airy I don't know that they're getting married but I think they
01:05:10| are and the running joke is when they if they actually do this sir you hear from the bride or the groom everyone's going to line up on one side that how that works in this tears now if
01:05:30| you know both you're gonna be on the bride side right I guess is she's the only one who probably be mad about it I just think it's funny as though anyway this wedding way I went to was for my
01:05:45| cousin my first cousin and I have three I have like eight first cousins might be grounding in the wrong direction like you say like thirty first cousins yeah many aunts and uncles in crafts you
01:06:00| have fine does it that sounds wrong how many it's like your parent yo your dad was at a family honey and your mom's at our family how many six or seven oh my hey never mind that
01:06:19| well I have like eight to seven or eight or nine first cousins and we're all really close control within six years or seven years and I'm the firstborn of all the most important to the pride there
01:06:33| might be a nine year period I feel like I could have an eight when someone was born anyway so one of the younger girls got married wonderful guy uh big shout out then any cousin huh now I remember
01:06:51| her name I could remember his name the disrespectful slightly and what's his name but anyway Liam what's his name Haley little guy yeah the man will come up it
01:07:01| was funny because it's last good good job David they might go the distance damn good chemistry my word I'll say but it was funny because with the cousins like I see them every every Sunday for
01:07:16| my whole life when I was four or five six seven eight nine twelve thirteen fourteen and then around age sixteen fifteen twenty somewhere there we stopped we all stopped going on my
01:07:25| grandmother's I don't see them anymore I don't really hang out with them no they're like three years younger but they were my best friend's growing off and they're my family you know
01:07:35| same deal here said so this is around one the time when it's like she was getting married with it we all sat at the same table it was all the cousins and we were telling someone like old
01:07:47| jokes and ridin on the old aunts and uncles and stuff and then we went out and danced that it was really cool because I didn't realize my cousin's her they're like my friends cuz you don't
01:07:57| count your cousin is your friend but they are yeah and they're also family and it's like cool because it's an equation yeah it was like his hat friend and family person is back in my life and
01:08:08| I was like what's up no was up yeah what's up and then there's always drinking dancing and we a good time and I was like partying and we were making fun of each other and teased each other
01:08:17| it was like who's like being young again a little bit uh-huh I thought those were cool I remember this feel like when I got married all my cousins were there and it
01:08:27| was you know it's the same feeling it's funny to see them like you fast forward and then they're they're older they're adults but they're still children they're still
01:08:35| like guys they Luther this guy he's the ones talking about don't dig in this space and they're like you ever seen Mars at night you're like relax it's my wedding like you know they have all
01:08:50| their same themes but now they're adults we're all those children and heart really we kind of never thought of it I guess I don't know unless you've been to war mmm if you've killed 702 people you
01:09:07| would change 705 would probably change me too mmm I'm gonna burn you probably eat the bodies whoo that's better changer no no my mentor that's a somber note to end on right and everybody wait
01:09:30| sometimes it's worth it just to end on a dark note mmm well happy Memorial Day everybody yeah and if this episode drops near Veterans Day that happen even if things
01:09:41| would the dual purpose post yep you're gonna make it so no one can tell hmm shout out folks thanks for being you thanks for tuning in and uh most of all we do like
01:09:56| you we like you lot surprisingly surprised I don't know why you've never volunteered to serve our country but thank you for tuning in we appreciate it for the impetus Nick and Dan Dan and a
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00:00:59| those of you are listening along and not watching along we are the unpaid together mm-hmm and we're doing an episode today about our military and the people in it for
00:01:13| veterans our memories of those people the troops yeah so we like to keep things light so we're not too crazy but um do want to pay some respect you know yeah we all know some true peace some
00:01:27| troopers some troops yeah yeah you had someone in your family it was military right I did my grandfather whose name is the exact same name as my name the exact same name as my dad I think he served in
00:01:42| World War one as like an 18 a you a very young mute I don't even know if it was legally of age because they did a lot of number fixing back in the day they joined the Navy and uh I I think he saw
00:01:55| some action but nothing real serious and uh World War two came around and uh he was like 35 and he 35 40 or something I did something do the math huh it was like older no no and he wanted to
00:02:09| joining it and they were like you're too old and he's like I need to joining it and they let him and everyone know they left and everyone on the boat called him grandpa
00:02:19| he was like 38 or something but I don't know I think I'm up someone's got to do the math I I don't have it from me in those stories I only have like one version of the story it's very not
00:02:30| specific so so I think we've avoided being in the military because we're now that almost that age right that we're liking to him if they have a draft they're like you guys it's like no we're
00:02:42| good we're good just do a podcast about the military your time you did that word around support yeah I'll control fly the drones it's fine
00:02:52| I'm pretty good at it so robots that play a call duty will be a robot on the ground you'll be pretty good if they're called duty controls mm-hmm so at 1400 that
00:03:07| breaks it down and you have any wrote this did grandfather he he trained but he never went around the last ones called to go and then he was doing like training in Florida I get I don't need
00:03:22| it yeah we're good and he's a sick cool look to hell right people did die yeah that's pretty a lot of family members people lose and then there are
00:03:32| people who have like career military family members thanks a lot yeah generations and generations of people my name it up okay my neighbor was in it and when you talk about the
00:03:44| reasons people get in it and get out of it a little bit later but he's an inspirational guy cuz you just kind of calm his nature made it seem like he was part of the military because it's all
00:03:55| like yeah you know you know he's not gonna freak out about anything he's just gonna do what he needs to do and he's just calm everything's a job living is a job darling is a job this is a job
00:04:04| there's a job thanks him I have a drama queen el Parian okay well can't have it I mean I would you know I chopped my day is like Renee what Oh be honest do you think they need you do
00:04:31| uh with real live gunfire around you no one ever knows to what happens we could say I would be super thoughtful or I would peed my pants you might be too scared to be escaped to be afraid some
00:04:42| people I feel like become like almost heroic because like during wow you just you just capture when everyone around you died knew like I didn't notice it was so loud thank you I mean I think
00:04:51| it's bravery is a funny thing I would hide as best as I could and find like the Nook where I could shoot out of okay so you're still me don't know thing but you're still helping but you're kind of
00:05:02| cowardly not cowardly what's alert so you are reserving yourself diligent favorite do something that stupid way to do it though if you're like a SWAT team and you're breaking into a
00:05:14| bill I listen I play way to do it I know how it works hands in the air get down the victim has died beat yeah the survivors are tied I used to go in
00:05:26| everywhere with a beanbag shotgun I just start blowing beanbags at everyone man get down man swear I could Sam on the floor writhing and you just buy a victory yeah just arresting everyone is
00:05:39| it ties the ties zip ties I like to think that I don't pretty calm and moments of crises like if I see a car accident or someone gets really hurt or something Crazy's goin on I'm always
00:05:50| like oh I'm pretty calm I don't know if that's aI don't know if I would be that way with a gun going off around me and stuff but I think really outwardly I'm pretty calm but in some way my heart's
00:06:01| like beating like crazy and I feel that blood throbbing you know like I'm standing still and not doing very much I'm just like okay I'm assessing but inside I'm just like if you look on the
00:06:14| pond right column on the surface but underneath them legs turn into my ya lamu be I should don't remember variations for next time for next episode but anyway why are there troops
00:06:30| is my chores all day well you ruined it it's because there's war or folks we wouldn't eat troops if we didn't have war so quick shout-out this holidays really about war and we want to take a
00:06:44| moment to commemorate war great how much it sucks but we won some of them so we're doing it's okay how what do you think our record is it's probably like what two or three four maybe eight six I
00:06:59| wanna see I want to say for free for free you're gonna count so which Wars you're counting is a win for the United States so one Korean I don't know why it is
00:07:08| Benin Berean what we're one and two clear we're a clear pays plenty hold on Civil War did we win hell yeah I guess we did play you fuckin a Confederate flag you lost but either
00:07:23| belief system okay um we kind of would the Afghanistan war we're still in we didn't lose it and yeah we know I guess when you lose a war you don't really talk about it anymore it's like
00:07:37| then like that stepsister they don't want to so shave it like Vietnam I don't but is she is she still around she's right uh it says here she broke up with you bad hey no no I broke up with
00:07:56| her that's all wrong yeah that's hearsay hmm he's lost a few members in there oh yeah I lost a big member in there so I did a little research all wars etc blah blah blah blah blah blah blah so we're
00:08:15| doing the whole we invaded Iraq in 2003 they called the Iraq war ah did in 2011 so called him I couldn't no hundred percent tell you what it was about was that weapons of mass destruction sure
00:08:27| that's the reason we went in there because uh mm even though even though in a different country but anyway hmm whole area so one of the reasons we go to war is to a get resources I'm gonna go
00:08:41| through that I'm gonna go through the list this is quicklist.lists one like economic gain Tutera territorial gain religion nationalism revenge Civil War Revolutionary War and defensive war so
00:08:53| the reason for that war was a oil and B not necessary necessarily territory but pretty ironic cuz all wars are a and B are that oh wow I mean Crusades we didn't do the Crusades it was 1920 but
00:09:10| okay war that happened about we're little bit I agree I would say in United States that wars are all about AMD usually aren't they I guess it depends on which side you're on
00:09:20| because if you're World War 2 then you're Germany you're fighting for nationalism right and a little bit of revenge right from being shot down over one yeah yeah a little bit of four and
00:09:31| five but I'm saying the United States now what about like countries we invade constantly like the aforementioned Vietnam and all that Afghanistan Iraq are they kind of fighting a war of
00:09:43| defense yeah that's ideology I think which in the same list terrible isn't a war of defense the most justice finest yeah yeah strongest position up position so I have pictures
00:09:59| learn the United Nations started because I don't look that up but a lot of wars happened in America's history I didn't have them like there was a list it was like a mile long I didn't realize we
00:10:10| were vaguely involved in some Russian Civil War vaguely involved in like the Sudan release of preserves in 1971 I look like the Navy SEALs going in right just get one team in and it's like
00:10:23| you're involved in that war else oh cool yeah that's a lot so the United Nations was founded on October 24th 1945 at San Francisco was that a point of the World War two it was probably one of the the
00:10:38| terms yeah yeah I think it was it makes sense because now you don't get you don't get people out right attacking countries that we care about because one of the good guys
00:10:49| yeah cuz the defensive war against the United Nations nation would probably result in World War three it would that make sense we can get into actual weapons and everything and why never you
00:11:02| know do understand we get in there not I just go over the numbers of actual wars so Iraq war right it's been going on for roughly 10 years it's officially over I don't know we still troops over there
00:11:14| I'm sure people still get blown to pieces I agree here's an interesting thing let's talk about this because this is gonna come into play when we talk about individual soldiers or stuff
00:11:25| mm-hmm and worse no one knows how to count the dead that's true it's kind of hazy now and yeah no one's out there counting because they're trying to dodge bullets
00:11:35| and so 100% and another thing is people inflate their own numbers people double count bodies no one realized this but during the war the other side like to take their debt with them if they can
00:11:46| you know it's your best friend or whatever you're taking them back did you hand your tree you take the body yeah um so people are medevacked and die later some people are literally blown to
00:11:55| smithereens there's no body parts / made bombs laying mines goal stuff like that they don't count them there's there's literally dozens of reasons carnage
00:12:06| yes so no one actually knows how many people died there's double accounts there's people who desert their post before it happened so once the work layer is over it's like oh he's not here
00:12:17| he must have died hmm changed his name now he lives it brightened he's going he's wearing a wig and now he's a woman I respect that daniela but i got some numbers on two
00:12:40| wars right ah so these are these are numbers as they were taken during the war wikipedia sure yeah the penes version numbers okay it's just what you know they it's I'm not
00:12:54| gonna - you know okay Iraq when we were just discussing about 10 years we've heard about it for forever nearby tensor analysis cosine cosine what do you have the u.s.
00:13:09| numbers no it was just it was both sides to the war you can look up US casualties is probably way more or no probably way more the other way it's way cure us casual is probably closer to 10,000
00:13:21| pointy toe I would guess good fried just the Iraq war so they said about 5,000 deaths and 30,000 wounded which is done wounded in action WIA which I know got seen everybody but it's interesting that
00:13:39| like I've heard about that forever and it's like a big part of everyday life and people get deployed over there and ones worried they're gonna die so what I kind of a small number but 4,000 is a
00:13:48| lot but how many people died in the World Trade Center actually remember I totally 203 well three thousand about three thousand yeah oh I guess first responders are on the ground everyone
00:14:03| else also get at people the building so this is insensitive I'm gonna start right there say that but like a good if you compare the numbers it's a comparative number like if you're going
00:14:12| to take these civilians who are not in a war and then you're gonna take people who are warriors and battle on someone else's soil like three thousand versus like
00:14:21| five thousand people like the Warriors need to step up for those three thousand people all right it's but it's also nice that the three thousand people's choice at all either no no right well so hold
00:14:33| on so I went over all the major Wars that we know as a person who grew up in the 80s the only Wars I ever heard of a war one world war two Vietnam Korean War which I barely knew I I didn't include
00:14:45| the Gulf War because it couldn't find any stats on it on that page especially quick it was during the first Bush's urging Russia right correct I anyway Afghanistan and Iraq were the
00:14:57| major Wars with my I don't know they're probably way more and historical knowledge right it's my general historical knowledge what I grew up knowing grown-up stupid average American
00:15:07| right I'm surprised you put yourself in that class Korean or which is the fifties nineteen fifty two fifty three one two million lives lost as a big number now I imagine again most foreign
00:15:22| American that's one of those interesting Wars where you have superpowers on the other side so like the the northern Koreans wanted to attack the south for some reason you unify them and the u.s.
00:15:32| bag of the south and because North Korea was communist at the time I believe those all the communist powers were like well let's spread communism you know the southern side was and I
00:15:42| believe I don't remember what kind of government was but all the non-communist free people were fighting to see the freedom you know it's one of those were the like the wars would have been won by
00:15:53| the internal struggle of the country like if the country had no their outside players they would have conquered one side or the other but the u.s. stepped in was like nope and then see us out of
00:16:03| winning then up china's like ah no no no so the superpowers are actually doing the fighting through the country like they're passive-aggressive fighting which is weird there's flat fighting
00:16:15| yeah so again lot now I think most the other side how about Afghanistan war tactic from 1978 to present it's not over so go crazy hey Bart I mean it's amazing like
00:16:32| it must be like really rugged country you can't get in there and yeah well you ever see that Moab vacation there the mother of all bombs yeah they'd rather they drop that thing on like a mountain
00:16:42| because they thought they were like their cave systems inside of it the thing is the biggest bomb ever to collapse those tunnel systems did it did it to work that was like last year yeah
00:16:52| was yeah it was bad it is don't remember you gotta shoot your pants if you're like a terrorist and you see that thing go off like that's like that's the step down but it's like so poly fuels you to
00:17:03| fight back harder a little bit maybe I don't know you've got your what a k47 and you're just like shooting bullets you see this thing just like like just Roy's like almost an entire Mountain I
00:17:15| mean you figure that's all your people didn't get went away the only thing you can do is fight I don't know that is true I don't know I mean that's the essence of war right right so we'll get
00:17:27| into that but um so moving on in Vietnam War 1955 1975 but it really it was 20 years long that's crazy this a long time and if people get tired of it right away
00:17:37| right right this is the pennant it went through ups and downs and probably kept going down more downs than ups and more more people dying that that's cold that toll and there's a lot of ranges on
00:17:48| these 800,000 totalled that it's a 3.8 million week long so then we get into a world war one which is all the world's big players involved people were sending people overseas to fight not
00:18:04| hand-to-hand but just about next to end names that were the trenches started yeah that house won most of the disease is flowing through the trenches you had like rats and all sorts of stuff because
00:18:14| that's where people were like face-to-face fighting each other and aligned like that we see in movies but on 1914 to 1918 numbers I got work eight it's a 21 million it's crazy that that's
00:18:26| such a stretch they estimated 213 million dead World War one all right so hold on World War 2 was the deadliest war in modern times 1939 to 1945 they have it estimated between 15
00:18:42| million people died that's a pretty big number to eat five million people died so it makes sense I mean if you're gonna because you don't know where machine you're trying to support it with food
00:18:53| and stuff and your price stealing food from so how many people how many people starve because many people die of disease happy year later won't be dying three years later you considered a
00:19:01| casualty of war but you died from a wound for more gas right I would say so yeah if the war never happened about what about ten years you got some specifics I hope you have a case where
00:19:13| here like no no I just riveted LED is arthritis if I get a gun too much but um I compared it to ancient times there's a list of ancient wars and most of them were like thousands of people died and
00:19:29| it wasn't as big a deal but there's it's hard to keep track back then of the dead that is true there were fewer there were few fewer people and transportation wasn't the same so not that many people
00:19:39| could die in one and it was good at math yeah has didn't work I don't know I guess they were dumb so I had the three kingdoms war which was in China it was between the gin and wheat we dynasty or
00:19:53| Wooga and see huh it was around the time of the fall of the Han Dynasty third they estimate again these numbers are because the year was 184 I like how like our are like 36 to 40 people died they
00:20:08| say so that's probably like so I'm on my list I have a list that's a message for the population that's all has this list work pump my brakes I don't know how they adjust for I guess they call it
00:20:18| they do like population and then they inflate it as time goes on so like you said 36 million people died I think it's the on Lucien rebel rule is what you're talking about
00:20:29| but there was like a Tang Dynasty and there's a bunch of people that were like oh I'm an around the Year 200 a century this is different I don't know if that falls on my list
00:20:42| it's interesting might be too far back who's the earliest whatever war I could find on I don't puncture them because the American educational also American educational systems does not
00:20:56| talk about China whatsoever they don't care about any of the wars that happened in China I've never heard of one work yeah internal struggle we're just like it's just China we just know its
00:21:07| position there's a lot of people yeah way more people fighting over landed in America yeah China it's a lot of that's all we know we're dumb enough to just keep reciting
00:21:20| the same fact over and over again I mean we're in school what are you gonna do I mean China has a lot of people in it so you would think there's probably twice as much drama warfare whatever where mom
00:21:37| let's go my bullet just took my shoes off alive on the podcast pound daddies it's real drama no not drama real joy you're seeing on my face yeah I'm all day live for a child it's not like
00:21:52| getting angry when you're we're like let's all day not like a soldier that's another thing is you can't compare to a soldier never I did am I trying to steal Balor no yeah I don't think you are okay
00:22:05| you know no I don't is there is there some kind of background it's called Stolen Valor a lot of people who start these programs from wounded vets or um ex-military or we send our
00:22:19| money over the troops is a charity it's very small like wounded irate warrior sure a little bit like that but like really small like a little mom and pop organizations we donate a couple
00:22:29| thousand dollars could you get a hundred dollars they do that kind of stuff sometimes you have Marines show up at places and it's like this is an ex-marine he um he's out of work you
00:22:38| gotta this and can you donate some money to this is part of a movement a program whatever and people people donate like you know people are told you're good job yeah it's good cause you can rent a
00:22:50| Marine outfit you can just buy an American flag you can have an American flag in the name for the troops donation charity and just pocket all the money there's nothing legally that says you
00:23:01| have to so anytime this kind of stuff happens it's called Stolen Valor there's a lot of story to this so it's like my advantage of a war exactly and it happens a lot I think it happened a
00:23:14| lot back in the day as well I couldn't find any exact examples but stolen dollars real and those people are jackasses yeah it's time I hope they get shot at by real soldiers that's our
00:23:27| official stance and panders quit I'm not I'm I am not stealing valor yeah oh yeah I'm not I would never do that good we'll talk about my list though my diamond so my my just as listed value
00:23:43| okay oh no I just so the first one I mentioned was the Lucien revolt and Lucien was like the guy who became an emperor attempted to dominate China so he he had death hope like 30 exhaling up
00:23:57| which was equated to about 400 million people today's date him that's like s its percentage in the population yeah adjusted most of these are China so like the Mongol conquest which was I
00:24:11| think it was like Genghis Khan he bundles yeah the adjusted death toll was about 300 million hey which makes sense because he was the one who kind of coined the term decimate she would kill
00:24:23| the tenth person regardless who that were Inc I heard this in a podcast a previous podcast I did like that awful decimated of people Middle East LAIV trade that's a lot hundred thirty
00:24:38| million people Ming Dynasty honor this Chinese stuff that I never knew about time for room 100 million people and tomorrow Timberlane my god yeah yeah we talked yeah we talked about him and uh
00:24:52| bad leaders yeah yeah he's right about a hundred million people and then this one hits home which is why we never talk about again because we're shameful lost annihilation of the American
00:25:05| Indians Oh a Trail of Tears tech deal 92 million adjusted for today's time which was 20 million back then which is a lot as some of that might be disease but we tell me
00:25:16| that a lot of it was I agree now Trail of Tears we force the move on so obviously from the land what would happen if they were susceptible toward disease though we're clearly
00:25:29| pushing them and you know you know trying to steal their stuff but it would have been different I imagine no that's one of the things that I'm afraid of Charles you too yeah
00:25:41| I'm thinking maybe like I'm afraid that like maybe there's a country out there that's developing AI technology and robots and we have treated seas to say that we're not gonna do that but if
00:25:50| another country does do that and then starts to dominate what are you gonna do what no we have a treaty here now there's a I have this piece of paper but that's a comes right through it yeah so
00:26:01| that's the scary thing is that wars are persistent things because people are constantly battling getting better learning from each other it's just constant intelligence to learn about not
00:26:12| to mention there's only limited land and resources and more and more people yeah and there's there were stats back then like the was it Mountain Mao Zedong he thought that the perfect number was like
00:26:25| somewhere around 500 700 million people on his conscience so it's like he didn't even try to improve like the way food is made or sent around the country he just was like too bad well people will die
00:26:38| yeah good for us up trust me this is even it out by not having more children well you're talking about some pretty bad dudes I don't like that can we talk about any good dudes I want
00:26:48| to get to one so there's two more things I wanna say Atlantic santak slave trade as in they're about 80 million people and then the second world war I just wanted to get to that one because that's
00:26:57| the benchmark is about 55 million people adjusted how that's interesting I wonder why the numbers though actually the number is higher if you take the the mean so the war average in 36.6 they did
00:27:12| a mean average because no one knows how many people died yeah so 55 would still be an increase but by population density I gotcha gotcha Oh interesting yep sir Sarah Pell yeah I liked it I
00:27:26| specifically search for that because I was like it doesn't make sense some today's terms to talk about they give you had a war when they were like and Eve leave the garden kill somebody
00:27:36| that's like ten percents population it's a lot of population right there just decimated them happy we would say that then versus now you can kill million people hundred million people
00:27:48| Romney only pecker Robin but yeah listen I was going to talking about American war heroes and other warriors sure did you do any research on General Patton I did not
00:28:06| bomb Mahan General Patton five-star general who was one of the first they started five-star generals in 1940 I actually didn't write a panel 4544 so I'm guessing during World War two he um
00:28:20| he served in World War one his sister someone know that was a different person towards the papers that was someone else did he know how did you see yeah yeah I did I read the first five senses yeah
00:28:34| I'll talk about that guy okay talk about him because I think I started crossing their path okay you so his story I'll definitely get it straight okay yeah Audion he was the
00:28:43| most decorated officer in World War I'm gonna say - yeah or - so he falsified papers to get in there because he was like 15 or 16 at the time he dropped out of fifth grade so there's a cotton fit
00:28:59| it's crazy because it's not that far as like I did years ago the guy dropped out so he could feed his family it's like right it's awful so he joined us war when he was 15 or 16 by the time
00:29:11| he's 19 he's doing things that like an officer or like someone you think would be like in your mind who'd be like 30 or support the war and he's doing a ton so he he's the most decorated man and what
00:29:29| war - and has about here's a list I have to scroll down it's like crazy there's like 30 different awards that he got the Bell are going on there some real Valor imagine if you like what's speeding
00:29:41| through your town and you're a cop and you pulled them over and then he just like had on this like chest full it's like like sir sir well I reach for my paperwork and you
00:29:54| see my lapel yeah so he was in a politic battles and he did on an amazing stuff he was like most of these people are like sharpshooters so there's they're smart about the way they approach things
00:30:06| and they're hunters too so like if you're gonna see like the following to which I think you're gonna bring up I this guy knew what he was doing the sad part about it is that he did all
00:30:18| the stuff when he was really young like is entirely from like age like 16 to 19 so like imagine being in high school and doing anything else he I don't know it says how many people he actually killed
00:30:30| me he just tried to wake up a nut Jo into the wrong sock [Music] versus killing a hundred people killing a hundred and so people yeah the sad
00:30:42| part about it is that he came back he was a famous actor during that time period I didn't know that I didn't know that either some of these people spun off into careers and politics or acting
00:30:52| but he also had post-traumatic stress disorder PTSD and he had a loaded gun so he would sleep with a loaded gun under his pillow it's like hmm oh yeah you know what though if someone's gonna do
00:31:07| it this guy he knows how to use it I mean is he gonna accidentally shoot himself I mean Oscar Pistorius type thing that was a weird segue but like he claims he accidentally shot his woman I
00:31:20| don't remember she's a wife at the time I he so possibly historian John wake up and you're a sharpshooter so like you wake up in the back story on that guy is that you know I didn't know amputated
00:31:30| right is faked his a leg he's an Olympic athlete and so the story is that he woke up in the night he thought someone was moving rustles I was bad for him right now meanwhile he has a girlfriend or
00:31:43| wife I was camera which it was it I thought she got her while she was on the toilet I'm not paying he shot the shot through the door he shot through the door I felt like how
00:31:56| logical are you to think that someone's in your bathroom and hence they say he really murdered her yes I don't know what comes out thank you oh my god I feel like he
00:32:07| was found innocent but maybe a mom I was like that son of a gun got off he played the no legs card you know they did oh damn it okay 2013 Wow time goes fast anyway no
00:32:23| I'm sorry but someone with PTSD or something like you figure it's not a good idea to have loaded am going because like someone's walking into the room or like leaving zone and kill
00:32:32| anybody you know right and I felt like it wouldn't be an accident because these trained murdering sharpshooter he's like really good with a weapon it's not like you've missed god yeah yeah no he blow
00:32:47| like nine holes in you before you really thought about it yeah I mean but imagine if you had killed somebody with your own hands or if you had woken up to find people
00:32:54| killing your your soldier friends so you wouldn't immediately shooter you immediately react so in that case like having the gun under your pillow is like all this guy's
00:33:04| he's ready you know he's prepared its but in our daily lives so no no well this is a different daily life a different yeah it's a different like um the everyone's
00:33:15| favorite Chris Kyle yeah America see dark did you see that I did is it did you have he has 160 confirmed kills which is pretty good I mean it's good especially because it's a firm kill
00:33:30| includes a lot of details like it's like he could have killed 200 250 people who knows yeah and it's one of the things that reported back like the way they report things back now is more calm so
00:33:43| did you know the information us the US Army and the US Navy had the lead I don't know about the Air Force and everything else do not actually record kills officially officially officially
00:33:56| the branches within do huh so then I'm still weird up and out they correct classified until it gets Declassified maybe and then guess maybe that would make sense
00:34:06| but either way that's another reason why these numbers seem too and then that's another funny thing like sometimes newspapers will release the information they're like four hundred were killed in
00:34:14| Baghdad but really that number is based on whose Intel American Intel of Baghdad and it's not just America its SEAL Team six combined with the naval team here that
00:34:28| was stationed here and what they saw combined with what the people on the ground in civilians might tell them and they combine all the information be like good so 200 and in the print it but
00:34:39| that's not official numbers yeah plus in the situations where you have like a definitive like boundary that you can't cross think there's no way to count right right correct
00:34:47| so there's it's very weird stuff anyway good number um he had PTSD eventually kind of led to him losing his life other that movie did pretty good yeah there were situations where he had
00:35:00| to morally choose what was right and wrong and and Bradley Cooper the pig baby yeah good see a child so hold on I have something interesting so he's a sniper
00:35:15| right snipers don't kill as many people just by proxy well I guess it depends no because they get to survive longer they get to pick and choose or they kill they get to see and pick they do but
00:35:27| they don't see as many people I don't think it's not like a sniper hangs out in the bell tower and is shooting while the war is going on usually sniper has trained targets they have people they're
00:35:35| supposed to take out it sometimes it came out for days weeks at a time looking for one guy one guys have it's really look for the open shot I digress um my man McHale Surkov sniper Russian
00:35:53| he has 702 confirmed World War two kills for a sniper 702 correct he's the most hailed sniper of all time female argued because it's Russian numbers like the you know they cooked the whole thing and
00:36:08| this bullshit who knows I don't know but real crazy let's talk about the soldier who had the most confirmed kills of all time so that his name I did time to mention his name whoa who's his name
00:36:24| Dillard Johnson mom and so I read a story about diligent that's it he had like twenty seven hundred kills as like an infantryman dispute good yeah it's under dispute he
00:36:39| came out everything that something like something was weird about the numbers and even said it himself like there's I'm pretty like this is some summarizing it but he said there's no way I killed
00:36:49| how many people I think the numbers are more like 100 something and it got inflated somehow through his memoirs because he wrote he wrote as many hours through a ghostwriter who then inflated
00:37:00| them and then it came back as like plot for almost a movie and he's like whoa wait like I don't want to be go down in history it's like you don't accidentally go above Miquel circles number you don't
00:37:11| accidentally go go Chris Kyle's number you know what I'm saying 102 was uh yeah is great oh he got so there's a knots or cough but okay finish guy named seam oh hey ha mm-hmm film ended he was in
00:37:32| Finland to someone started invading his country Soviet Union and so he went out he had it he was a natural hunter right Anna because there's Blin he just went out one day he's put on his clogs she
00:37:46| dressed halt was no a backdrop they called him the white death waddling wouldn't see him they didn't know where he's got his shots were coming from he's credited with killing 705 people take
00:38:02| that Russia so he killed like 500 people with his with his rifle no it's I mean would you even answer that territory if you knew her soldier like I would I would just be like okay I'm where we're
00:38:14| gonna go over now see you get into a weird territory um what do you do when you're told to do it let's say your faction is getting decimated or even worse shredded hmm there's a tank over
00:38:31| there you and like a ragtag group of 40 men or in one infantry group your your corporal or whatever he's called Manzi to do something stupid sure your boss yep
00:38:47| depends on what rank you are what rank he if I didn't want to he says no we got a March over here they told us to and you're like literally marching in a certain death they have a tag it killed
00:38:57| like seven infantry groups that were better than you and you're just one group and most seared like Muslim guys in your troop or shitheads what do you do
00:39:07| I mean do you just march in there you go like maybe won't do okay I hope we get good so yeah I'm gonna pretend to March really gonna hide in that Bush over there
00:39:25| private dan why so slow lieutenant day perhaps perhaps oh yeah the medic comes over I'm just like we're both gonna die if we run over there yeah another thing is infantry mmm everything
00:39:42| about the word infant no really means like youthful army so it's like the the people there I heard about this in it was Blood Diamond because they recruited the teenagers and the youth to fight in
00:39:58| their war so they were literally infantry because they're almost infants it's pretty messed up yeah so they call the people that just run in blindly infantry so if your
00:40:10| inventory you're fucked you kind of are but I would definitely subvert I would find a way not to die I would be like offering suggestions and be like no you just go to March March on the tank
00:40:23| I should have Dave another fridge this guys getting court-martialed we tell you that yeah dishonorable G Haram so we took the Chris Kyle we talked a little bit about PTSD General Patton was the
00:40:38| most decorated war heroes ever he pulled him over one for World War two if um his nickname was old blood and guts good then good good man he was so hardcore I think I don't remember what country they
00:40:52| were in this was during World War two I heard he went into a hospital where one of soldiers was he didn't want to play I don't know if this is in Germany France
00:41:03| I can't remember the soldier needs to soldier do more fight and he said what's wrong with you at least I'm he's really scared I've never been this scared in my life
00:41:12| General Patton just smashed him across the face and grabbed his gun and tried to shoot him in the head Wow and they stopped him and you know everybody calmed them down or whatever
00:41:23| and he said I just can't believe he won't wanna fight for his 400,000 brethren and it's it's a little weird it's a little hardcore because I understand celebrating guy ever you know
00:41:35| what he used to do those two kids or two or three kids this is two or three of the kids I heard there they were in a punkin I was instinctive oh yeah and they said um their dad used to say you
00:41:47| can't flinch with pain because that lets the enemy know or something little little bizarre between I think they were I think there were sons so it's not girls they only do this to the boys when
00:41:56| English I guess put his cigar out on their arm and say just don't flinch you'll be okay and if you pledge I'll beat holy hell so wait out of the two sons the one
00:42:10| figured out this is the brighter of the two that the first one to get the ashes wasn't as bad for some reason the second time you get the ashes is worse oh no because it's smoldered longer or it's
00:42:21| getting doubled I don't know are burning Barrens quicker there was no logic I have no idea he just started always volunteering to go first and hoping to god he didn't flinch
00:42:30| at the time so now tell me that guy doesn't have PTSD like crazy stuff going on solo might and I understand is twitches human and again I'm not against him being a hero for the American people
00:42:43| but there is a tipping point where you go too far yeah there's a way you become a machine and it's analogical for the average person to be that if the other person is a machine like that there's a
00:42:57| problem what you also what you just said you lose your humanity quite literally if your machine you're not a human anymore so you give away all your humanity then what's the
00:43:08| who are you fighting for does it even matter you'd be fighting for either side of your machine right you don't care matter so that's the humanity part of it if we are fighting a
00:43:19| country or an idea okay you're fighting commies so you're fighting the Nazis and if you're an actual warrior you've killed a person so at a certain point you might realize that you've killed
00:43:31| people that could be your friends I've heard story of people that say you know like 20 years later they're like I was at this spot fighting someone here and I shot this person and then they say like
00:43:44| they find that the person that was on the other side they were like yeah you shot my friend and then those people like start talking and they're like these are average these
00:43:52| are regular people and they become friends and they say you know we forgive you for doing this because it was like an idea that we were fighting but who wants to fight other people when they
00:44:02| actually get to know other people no one usually that's that's the whole goal of fighting anytime there's a war the main goal of the warring factions is to make the other side look less than human
00:44:17| you're right about our way the individuality of those people and they just make up my unit they dehumanize them and make them look like the bad guy you have to make them
00:44:26| look like the bad guy you can't win telling your people you're the bad guy yeah do you know any mean I agree so to do so you have to spread misinformation or lies or cast a weird net over the
00:44:40| other group like what Hitler did with the Jews I think that right they're the bad guys they're stealing everything they're what's wrong with Europe like you have to create the other if you can
00:44:50| make the other side look so subhuman or bad or threatening to you that's the only way you can get everyone to fight yeah or you're telling them that like if you're captured by these people it's
00:45:00| gonna be awful which morning actually strange is that like most POWs do endure some awful things because the other people believe that you're you're inhuman less than you which is crazy I
00:45:14| guess it's the fear the whatever keep - can you imagine if you're like I the other side Germans right now but they're just like you and I I mean they ended up being the
00:45:27| just like you they're just like us but anyway we're we have to shoot them hard and bleed our blood they they have problems oh they have wives and children and most of them didn't really want to
00:45:38| be here and it's kind of hot today and they're sweating and they're I worse play where else but we're higher than high but we we have a we have to shoot them it's art someone told me the guy up
00:45:48| top told me we have to shoot them okay yeah did the guy worry we're good we have to shoot them they're bad guys it's weird like when you think about it and break it down you have to keep
00:45:57| dehumanizing because to do otherwise maybe like here's a picture of his wife she's beautiful but you might have air support it's like if you're in a war long enough to actually come and contact
00:46:10| it listen when you've killed you're taking over the line you get to you get to take a look at their wall you probably start to understand that that's nuts
00:46:18| you imagine have a a lot of them carried the letters to their wives or mistresses or whoever and I mean they're kids you start reading imagine if they weren't speaking German but they're speaking
00:46:28| English they start yelling at you to be like no just stop and man you eternity oh my dude if you were fighting someone from like New Jersey she's like this is messed up it is I mean I kid I can't
00:46:42| think of a good reason for war other than defensive what we mentioned earlier which is weird because our idea module we're gonna get into religions later but I can see someone being oppressive with
00:46:54| their religion and that's not how our country works I guess were you saying they're bringing the religion to our place and forcing it to everyone I mean they're enforcing a certain yeah only
00:47:05| mixing religion and government and making it oh oh think it'll work although I know they talked about that and another thing I want to talk about wah wah country later on well then the
00:47:18| religion come in and try to take over town and they merged government and religion and they use the government was just like nope you can't do that church and state charges date separation so
00:47:32| warfare back in the nineteen you're lying up in the trenches dude you're throwing some big it is amazed you sound little I can feel the firepower you don't mean like really
00:47:50| boys you got like high the coil yeah yeah something like that and then you got to reload each one it's just it's a different feel yeah I down the down the scope and it's
00:48:00| not actually a scope it's usually just a a sight than iron sights like you know I mean you gotta actually look through the iron sight aim it up with the next site and your shoot at people you see helmets
00:48:12| over there you see dudes over there you're just you're going nuts I monogrammed clips or eight rounds oh eight okay I'd submit it was unique because that one gun actually has like a
00:48:23| weird clip that goes into the top and you'd always see yourself reloading it and then then I played mm-hmm yeah but fast forward a little bit World War two like crazy experimentation happen they
00:48:40| get the mustard gas and all that ooh talk about chemical warfare I mean I well that's where I'm headed so you start finding more ways to kill more people quicker
00:48:51| guns were advanced chemicals advanced bombs were advanced they started talking about the h-bomb the atom bomb America actually to this day they're the only country to drop actually use it and use
00:49:07| it another country that's not the time to do sales over yeah I hate to do this some like Memorial Day if all this stuff makes America settled the bank I know is I know but all for America but um just
00:49:24| keep finding more ways to kill more people faster and more efficiently so do you think we're at the ceiling now is that everyone now is the nuclear weapon is deciding this is gonna be awful if we
00:49:35| use it and only taking was that one today is that with the Cold War was kind of about yeah I mean if it was and it wasn't but they both were the Doomsday Clock
00:49:44| they're gonna launch all their nukes and we're gonna launch our nukes and that happens everyone's asked have real and so that was a peak of warfare you can't get higher than that can you
00:49:57| you can't kill more people what you kill the entire earth instead that would kill yourself like you don't I mean yeah so that is the peak of warfare I imagine so now that we've peaked we're refining new
00:50:11| ways to kill groups of people I guess her surgical attacks so there's ray right with the nuclear war option it's more like a it's less like a peace treaty getting more like a stalemate and
00:50:21| then now we're thinking of ways to figure out at the back down gets smaller attacks ironically so we're switching drones now unmanned doesn't cost any manpower no man is actually killing
00:50:35| anyone really it is there's somebody in like Vegas or some remote base killing people and I had statistics on fidgets the number of people killed it was very low
00:50:48| actually for as I drove thousand people by drones and the civilian side of it was like five percent which sounds like maybe it's maybe that sounds good I don't know okay remember World War two
00:51:02| London bombings where they drop it incendiary bombs on one good character like it was like that was like 50-50 chance probably like 8020 chance this my
00:51:12| beautiful graph had it drop to grab folks mmm another funny thing is um right now we're we're seeing a lot of chemical attacks sarin gas and whoa it's the the
00:51:28| poisoning of that spy so Russia was trying to take out somebody because they must have known something I don't know what like I don't see across it but that's the wrong thing
00:51:39| rosin is the one that was the White House and always was being emailed to everyone it wasn't about rosin rosin if I emailed I mean regular mail that was in baby bed I don't know enough about
00:51:52| this talk about it I'll be honest and you know this pie was so like a spy and somebody else was killed and it was very obvious that the the poison that was used came from
00:52:03| Russia and Russia was just like what and then everyone's like no you did it so they were like oh let's see underhanded spy games that probably happen all the time like what right I don't no idea a
00:52:15| leader was killed from the past it was probably because the government installed sorry and they were to do it well but that stuff was never talked about I don't even know if it gets
00:52:24| Declassified because it wasn't a podcast like ours that blow wide open wide open film painters blows open sirhan sirhan yeah we got you or was that friends burned in no idea what she said anyway
00:52:41| it's the famous killer and one's the famous Archduke that was killed as sort of one of the wars camera wins with so as well I talk about Oh what it's like to be a military person like what are
00:52:58| your options so if here so like we had different different takes on life I guess because we both one of the same high school and then we went to college and we took
00:53:09| careers from there if you're military person there's usually like a reason because it's either generational or you don't have enough money you need a job essentially or you really want to kill
00:53:21| people or you want to stand for cost there are people like that yeah yeah they probably are shit like financially I like the financial part of it because it it's ideal I almost actually
00:53:32| considered the financial other take me out of the military I swear to God to do like to pay for college it so if you so the current bill right now the GI Bill is if you work
00:53:43| I guess work for the military or if you're listed man for three years for it they will pay for four years like three years continuous which turns out to four years non continuous summers often say
00:53:55| yeah so they'll pay up to a public tuition or 20 something thousand dollars for a private low to it yeah it actually seems like a good deal because you can pay off your loans is that a payment for
00:54:12| like if you wanted to game the system and really think about it like if you could plan this out you're in high school you would probably go in the military and then come back
00:54:21| become a doctor and then so after if you've worked for the federal government for twenty years you get a pension of fifty percent of what if you're making so you say you're not still working for
00:54:35| the government if you become a doctor though are you you could have a private practice so at NASA there are people who are working as a civil servant working for the federal government and you could
00:54:47| work as a government a government so far doctor no government contractors isn't covered okay but yeah you could continue on and then work in that capacity for another 20 years
00:54:59| so imagine starting the military at 18 you probably take a hiatus by the time you're 40 you probably have enough time to retire and make 50% of whatever you're making and if you're educated
00:55:10| you're probably making maybe you know six figures so you could then retire at 40 and then you get full medical benefits immediately like most pensions take take effect when you're in
00:55:23| your 60s but this this takes effect right away so if you look wider this is a little bit everyone listening seventeen no one's lost attention they're saying no one's going to do it
00:55:38| the problem is that like the military lifestyle and this is my neighbor who talked about earlier he was in the military for I would say like two tours so a tour is I think a minimum of three
00:55:52| years me except and a maximum of like six years it was using two tours it could be like I won ten years but by that time you're starting a family probably you're almost years of your
00:56:04| life yeah and you're gone better regularly 23rd exactly that's the best time the most fun you can have they know that yeah and you're gone you're out in another country sweating your ass off
00:56:17| probably for at least you know possibly dying six to 18 months do you might be doing something really boring too I mean I know people do it because they're
00:56:30| people who do it because they don't know what to do I know some people do it and it shapes their lives in a good way but I also think there's some people who get indoctrinated by it um turn out worse
00:56:44| where yeah like any other profession in life or any other walk of life I feel like there's some real jackals who do this kind of thing but they're also some real friggin good people who do this
00:56:57| thing I was listening to a podcast about a guy who was in the military for 17 years and he said that it made sense because most of the military has objectives and they're trying to
00:57:08| accomplish some goal so it's it's progressive and it's very definitive so he came back and was like a manager for a grocery store and he said like it's very abysmal like there's no goal in
00:57:19| sight so that's like with the conquer Whole Foods like yeah ok let's take over an aisle one at one island yeah yeah it is weird you're not only going through school high school possibly college
00:57:37| possibly military by the time you're like 28 you get out and now you're like freedom and you're like what do I do next like you know I mean you don't know how
00:57:49| to live your life a little bit I was thinking about the shark tank equivalent because they like the glove the military people because the military be more regimented a nice military term they do
00:57:59| yeah it's a determine they know what their predictable they're very predictable yeah so like they would make their bed in the morning wake at the same time in pairing and just execute so
00:58:09| there their goal in life is to do something it's not like some people just like I'm done so if you were to execute this plan and move forward with it by the time you're 28 you're free to do
00:58:20| what you want if you've done an intelligent move you could become a doctor or somebody educated to make more money and work in the field that easily provides for you right it's not a bad
00:58:32| choice no it is and it makes sense I mean so if people like you and I would not be good at this I feel it to switch essentially right Gil military yeah I don't think I could be military to
00:58:49| regimented and I I'm a nonconformist I'm a little brave right sort of so it's like a little bit we get the government but uh another thing is if you are so the pension is if you don't do the
00:59:07| educational route if you're opposite of us and just want to do military after 20 years you can actually take 50 percent of your pension 50 percent your salary yeah so it's not bad it's yeah
00:59:19| money-wise it makes it does yeah and most people are making an average of like 30 grand so by the time they retire they probably make it 50 and then they get half of that so the you like 25
00:59:29| automatic without her it's not bad move thought smart move and we turned it into a little bit of a shit on America episode because it deserves it sometimes but we will come
00:59:45| around and say that uh most and service people we know end up being good people and they go for good reasons whether it's also because of money yeah make it simple feel justifying the cost right
00:59:58| but also they are defending our country I know that sounds weird as most of the time they're on the defense of the other countries hood but someone does have to do the good things for us so what does
01:00:13| have to do the dirty things for us sometimes when people shit on American military moves but sometimes stuff does have to be done does have to be done that's good I'm trying to think week
01:00:28| specific example oh there's a dog I know it's is retracting really hard and it's early the pockets then don't indict name where does he live that's Otis Hill we did full month I give him four months to
01:00:45| it that's a party park for a deadly dog oh no he's dying he's running joke here I said he's dying he's a million for four years I think you ever seen the graph of like how many
01:00:58| people believe that terrorists kill versus how many people are actually killed by terrorists uh yeah the terrorist number is like 15 yeah it's like 2% like how many people actually
01:01:09| think terrorists killed and it's like it's fear that drives all that decision but I prevent the terrorists from from happening like going on their soil and attacking them there it makes sense sort
01:01:22| of it does I mean a little bit because otherwise they like be here but that's a mite it's a weird thing to say yeah either way I do respect anyone who's willing to go overseas and just I mean
01:01:35| they do good things as in there's like dictator regimes that they're trying to take down like these dictators are screwing over thousands of people making mothers starve and children die and
01:01:47| stuff and like I get it if your American military you go over there and you're trying to change it so that they can vote and have a republic like that makes sense do you didn't mean yeah the
01:01:57| ideology ideology is right is like trying to take over areas and like cutting on right order to be violence is wrong you want people to hammer your door down under your door down have a
01:02:11| choice and I respect the soldiers for that so yeah I can't tell any of those they're eating invading you I think that around suppertime get anymore and bitch you got
01:02:24| a ghost man I don't know we will say something about the POWs though there's a one stadium in Biloxi that has the memorial for ever since World War one enemy baseball team right yeah 90,000
01:02:39| people unaccounted for American soldiers lost some more it's a lot of people that you can't count from caffeine and they might you know they're probably responsible for us being here having a
01:02:50| cushy country and living pretty well huh this stuff wasn't a give their life but we're here given podcast huh we're going to say to any about some old umbrella oh yeah well you want to say how it
01:03:06| perfectly are twined with Memorial Day uh-huh hold it there might go Orioles certainly are like Arlington probably are where what was his name
01:03:18| Damon not Arlington Road where the bombs a spoiler alert last night Audie Murphy's Brooke has buried at Arlington most remember him so if you check out our reddit there's a guy
01:03:36| holding a an umbrella over a soldier who is next to that memorial in that Stadium and it's you know it's not worthy it is hope that was a holy girl yeah he has to go home hmm
01:03:53| any truth to the rumor he was a JROTC marine cadet and he wasn't actually a soldier I'm just good dad he just randomly stood there there's a rumor well hey I mean this is job still you
01:04:07| just might not be a soldier I didn't click on the story on be honest with you I'm gonna read the titles that's what we have for you today folks were the under it here yeah thanks
01:04:19| for soldiers we eat the soldiers but mostly we love the soldiers soldiers that against the sweet though the country soldiers yeah third country soldiers so Iran's upper topic what else
01:04:32| we got we have some other is it non-military zombies gonna talk about yeah I went to a wedding yeah it was awesome you did nice it was a cousin's wedding
01:04:42| cousins like two of them alright I'll tell you two things how nas it so dill then right a big big lover of the show yeah what if his friends is marrying it cousin his own
01:04:57| cousin no well now like a first cousin it's a sex item hasn't yeah so it's really not a completely different and it's legal and airy I don't know that they're getting married but I think they
01:05:10| are and the running joke is when they if they actually do this sir you hear from the bride or the groom everyone's going to line up on one side that how that works in this tears now if
01:05:30| you know both you're gonna be on the bride side right I guess is she's the only one who probably be mad about it I just think it's funny as though anyway this wedding way I went to was for my
01:05:45| cousin my first cousin and I have three I have like eight first cousins might be grounding in the wrong direction like you say like thirty first cousins yeah many aunts and uncles in crafts you
01:06:00| have fine does it that sounds wrong how many it's like your parent yo your dad was at a family honey and your mom's at our family how many six or seven oh my hey never mind that
01:06:19| well I have like eight to seven or eight or nine first cousins and we're all really close control within six years or seven years and I'm the firstborn of all the most important to the pride there
01:06:33| might be a nine year period I feel like I could have an eight when someone was born anyway so one of the younger girls got married wonderful guy uh big shout out then any cousin huh now I remember
01:06:51| her name I could remember his name the disrespectful slightly and what's his name but anyway Liam what's his name Haley little guy yeah the man will come up it
01:07:01| was funny because it's last good good job David they might go the distance damn good chemistry my word I'll say but it was funny because with the cousins like I see them every every Sunday for
01:07:16| my whole life when I was four or five six seven eight nine twelve thirteen fourteen and then around age sixteen fifteen twenty somewhere there we stopped we all stopped going on my
01:07:25| grandmother's I don't see them anymore I don't really hang out with them no they're like three years younger but they were my best friend's growing off and they're my family you know
01:07:35| same deal here said so this is around one the time when it's like she was getting married with it we all sat at the same table it was all the cousins and we were telling someone like old
01:07:47| jokes and ridin on the old aunts and uncles and stuff and then we went out and danced that it was really cool because I didn't realize my cousin's her they're like my friends cuz you don't
01:07:57| count your cousin is your friend but they are yeah and they're also family and it's like cool because it's an equation yeah it was like his hat friend and family person is back in my life and
01:08:08| I was like what's up no was up yeah what's up and then there's always drinking dancing and we a good time and I was like partying and we were making fun of each other and teased each other
01:08:17| it was like who's like being young again a little bit uh-huh I thought those were cool I remember this feel like when I got married all my cousins were there and it
01:08:27| was you know it's the same feeling it's funny to see them like you fast forward and then they're they're older they're adults but they're still children they're still
01:08:35| like guys they Luther this guy he's the ones talking about don't dig in this space and they're like you ever seen Mars at night you're like relax it's my wedding like you know they have all
01:08:50| their same themes but now they're adults we're all those children and heart really we kind of never thought of it I guess I don't know unless you've been to war mmm if you've killed 702 people you
01:09:07| would change 705 would probably change me too mmm I'm gonna burn you probably eat the bodies whoo that's better changer no no my mentor that's a somber note to end on right and everybody wait
01:09:30| sometimes it's worth it just to end on a dark note mmm well happy Memorial Day everybody yeah and if this episode drops near Veterans Day that happen even if things
01:09:41| would the dual purpose post yep you're gonna make it so no one can tell hmm shout out folks thanks for being you thanks for tuning in and uh most of all we do like
01:09:56| you we like you lot surprisingly surprised I don't know why you've never volunteered to serve our country but thank you for tuning in we appreciate it for the impetus Nick and Dan Dan and a
01:10:13| man and deck thank you
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