Transcript of Episode 137 - Zen Paradiddle
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00:01:56| yard follow your father he's easy well welcome welcome aboard fast and furious tonight um come Nick and I'm Tim that's awesome we together we are beyond
00:02:14| panderers Derek Zoolander so our topic tonight is Zen then cool word right Ralph the bat yeah unless ZZZ out there so shutout yeah three little words not many mm-hmm Scrabble definitely no
00:02:40| Zen God sex I was going with Scrabble no I don't think you can play that one Madison has it important word though it is you know understand I agree with you good I'm glad you agree with my
00:02:56| agreement good we're here in that agreement actually has here and then definition pulled up because I actually quite long word go ahead look it's Chinese Sean or Japanese Zen or
00:03:16| Korean Ceylon or Vietnamese Seon like the last one well my pronunciation was not practiced or spelled out so it could be all tirely wrong hmm I have developed strongly
00:03:32| influenced who this is a lot of words let's just say it's it's the chills in yeah that's yeah just we should edit this Wikipedia article just to Jenn I think we should then is the chills Lee
00:03:44| we could read it but it's a lot of words and just Nations and stuff it's a school of Maya Buddhism Mahayana Buddhism that originated in China during the Tang Dynasty there none of the chan school
00:03:56| later developed the very schools and went to neo Taoist need to install Chinese Buddhism from Qian Qian spread the Vietnam and it's like that's uh then that definition to the opposite of the
00:04:07| Western world right there and it is it's kind of like it's it's before enlightenment it's like the work you put in for enlightenment I don't know I don't know where is it it lightning I
00:04:22| don't I don't know it's different than Nirvana correct what isn't hervana I had that definition pulled up as well I'm glad you asked although I just minimized it's a hold on
00:04:38| dance I heard someone say that half of listening to a podcast is people just looking up words and Wikipedia and stuff and I was like that's not true can't be true hold on a second let's lift this up
00:04:52| oh let me take a look nirvanah oh that's why I couldn't see it it was in that color Nirvana is actually considered it's it's not the final state so I want all the eyes and hands show up it's with
00:05:05| Hinduism Jainism Buddhism and it represents an ultimate state of soteriological release the liberation from repeated rebirth and samsara so yeah it's like like
00:05:18| spiritual orgasm yeah yeah I'd better put it I would read where as in I feel like it's a constant state hmm you don't of zen is like a working state like something that we can actually feel I
00:05:31| don't know that everyone can feel nirvana I think you can get to Nirvana maybe no maybe no one do you think like they're faking it this is all I was going with
00:05:41| this is all mister like made it last week when my god what was it like it was Wednesday it was crazy I don't know what I'm I was any hot dude yeah he's in doubt so there's an idea but I know this
00:05:56| there's a theme right the little trees buns I treat you like chip it either sand sand garden oh yeah you rake rake a sand garden I've kind of that's kind of that's pimp if I were say so myself I
00:06:12| was really wealthy I'd have a Zen garden no reason oh hell yeah it would know really ly unkempt and I wouldn't care about it but it'd be there once in a while I would get drunk and intend the
00:06:21| Sam garden just like you would see me just breaking looking off in the distance maybe peeing occasionally it doesn't have like a house party and then like that's the
00:06:33| only thing I'm doing oh dude he'll be while survey shows like Nick and you're just like no a moment for I am deep would you join me no I'm good you then it's on your rake and he
00:06:49| feels insecure I can't I can't measure up to you Nick you must begin anew before you can grasp the new rake and I point to a bigger be furious oh yeah you know you want that rate so
00:07:04| then it's we associated with like I said the bonsai tree it's this little pit the monks you know you mean doing this it's almost a feeling it's a feeling we don't normally feel unless we try it's weird
00:07:18| because it's is it the opposite of boredom it's doing nothing but not feeling bored sort of I think that boredom searches for
00:07:29| something outside of yourself whereas then searches for something inside of you might be really good I don't even know if it correct I just liked it I liked it I hope so
00:07:40| by the end of the episode if you were right this is a classic classic I'm panders have you fell in before yeah I think Ivana I think I mentioned it on this podcast
00:07:53| don't think so no this is a story I am my grandmother died and I lost my virginity oh all within like a real short time frame so like I was like hormones raging
00:08:08| I'm like a teenager I'm young and it was the first person I ever sold by and I used to be that's weird cuz I thought is the first runner person Universal naked and then
00:08:19| oh I hope not which which woman are you talking one which one which one I'm so yeah in my memory it's a smash together I can't and I was like this apart the body's no I was like an angsty emo kind
00:08:37| of a overthinking really nerdy teenager I don't know like I was really great dark oak trees annually I did I was not athletic at all oh and Ikes and I was always thinking inside my head
00:08:52| like oh my god what do I wear oh my god what are you saying the situation to girls like me like that kind of stuff yeah and I remember I used to go for walks and listen to really loud music in
00:09:00| my headphones that you had to plug into your CD player now I would walk in the neighborhood pretty much Lana Lee make sure so it didn't skip ESP cranked to 1015 second
00:09:12| ESP mm-hm electronic skip protection for those listening yeah you tried to be just the test make sure ace bass boost on mmm but uh I was going for a walk and I do this
00:09:25| often because I was an angsty teen and I would just look up at the stars and kinda just walk around and be depressed and email and one night it was right after my grandmother died and I saw a
00:09:33| Lord of the Rings one of them I forget which one it was walking I think it was that one that Fellowship of the Ring no I think it's later on
00:09:44| okay either way I was walking and I remember I walked down this one area where there's all grass and it's open field and I was in the Joe Satriani cords of life I still remember oh yeah I
00:09:54| know that's a good song really good and I remember listening to it and I was all the sudden I don't remember walking anymore I was just like I always somewhere else and I almost fell like my
00:10:07| grandmother was there who had just passed like I felt like everyone like I felt like I wasn't on earth like I was literally somewhere else and I remember like I don't know how much time passed
00:10:19| but the song was almost over and I kind of came to and I remember you could see your breath it was really cold outside and I could see like my breath and I was crying and I didn't remember crying I
00:10:30| was like what the hell just happened to me and I remember this really overwhelming voice telling me and it was my own voice telling me that I didn't have to be afraid of anything ever and
00:10:41| it literally to this day it's probably something that made me like Who I am where I'm like I don't [ __ ] care like not in a bad way but in a way that there's nothing in life that you could
00:10:51| be afraid of because it's always trial and error you're always doing something you're always moving you're always making mistakes you're always everyone else is doing it too and it occurred to
00:10:59| me that night at 14 16 12 whatever the hell I was that I I was invincible in a way hmm like I was free to do whatever I want with this life it almost like I had old
00:11:12| person wisdom like you know when 80 year olds were like listen I wish I'd done this sooner I wish I was not afraid of this I wish to do this and I felt all that and it
00:11:21| made me I don't know I was less awkward mentally I'm not usually just afraid of anything but it all began that night and I I still liked just that ready chords like it's all no so do you think
00:11:33| something I've lifted that you like became aware of something that you just couldn't see before that would changed you yeah I do I think it was almost like like I said when you're 80 and you have
00:11:45| all this knowledge of life and you say oh I wish I could tell myself at X age that none of it matters in a weird way not in a bad way but in a way like everyone's gonna live
00:11:56| everyone's gonna die yours is one of billions of lives kinda doesn't matter so kind of enjoy it embrace the experiences of it and I honestly feel like somehow I gave that to myself or or
00:12:07| deceased relatives gave that to me or someone or something gave that to me and from then on like I sometimes think of that moment when I'm starting to feel anxious or something I'm like cares dude
00:12:18| let it go just be you're gonna look back on this and there will be a time where this moment in your life this anxious feeling will be in the past it can't hurt you it's over I don't know is that
00:12:33| a thing so I I feel like there's a lot of life that spent just being distracted and like the entire Western culture focuses on all these things that don't Center on you really how do you focus on
00:12:50| your emotions and your calm and your peace and most almost all of what I've read about Buddhist culture and like Zen culture is that you have to like take the time spend the time to focus on
00:13:02| yourself and like not necessarily all the problems that you have but the like the the calm that is like protects you from those problems because it ya sail the stormy sea the choppy sea and be
00:13:18| calm and smooth through it a lot of life I see people be stressed out and I don't know if I'm more Zen than other people but I take a moment and like relax whereas they get kind of worked up and I
00:13:31| don't like now in everyday life I don't think I really get worked up I just slowly get stressed and it takes like days before I'm really actually stressed out but it only takes like a like maybe
00:13:44| half an hour to an hour and I'm sat down and meditated but if he just kind of calm down it kind of goes away like a way to Alan Watts who I've brought up before the great philosopher he um
00:14:00| Western actually but he believes a lot of the Eastern Buddhists that kind of stuff lines I thought it one of his big things is like the dividing line between you
00:14:10| and the outside world is really great I mean you just mentioned it where there's a lot of stuff going on there's choppy seas I mean are you your race are you the 500 things that guy you to arrays
00:14:22| are you the 500 experiences that you use to determine your 500 decisions that guide you to a race and there's at some point where we get so worked up in these things that are not technically us no to
00:14:34| reason outside not even I mean material but also decisions like little tiny things like where how I interact with so-and-so how I do this was so and so when I get the
00:14:42| raise here when I do this and I'm saying raise because we do the work thing but school anything and there comes a point where that's not you that's something you interact with so you will be a
00:14:53| constant regardless of how you do these things and whether you pick a or B or C or D or X or Y you will still be you and I think that's what you kind of touched on what you do if you just breathe my
00:15:08| kind of whoa refocus you're spreading yourself real thin you're in a lot of different areas you're doing a whole different fun things but ultimately when you stop and think about it you are in a
00:15:19| smaller area I don't know do you meditate I don't think so did I get I don't know that's weird because I don't do it but I know I I have done it and I like doing it I just don't have like the
00:15:37| time to sit there and just I knew you're gonna say to them yeah time is the biggest constraint for all of this yeah you know you don't want to feel like you're wasting time but how do you
00:15:46| justify the time that you've wasted or the time you've used for something and it doesn't really amount to anything that you can feel you just set it to find wasted time I mean it's impossible
00:15:57| to define that because meditating is doing nothing right is that the definition of meditating it's kind of doing nothing and just focusing yeah but there's a feeling that happens when
00:16:08| you're meditating it's almost like you're exercising a muscle like there are times when I feel like that I haven't exercised in a while and I feel slow and lethargic and it
00:16:18| like a moment a period of exercise to like wake up muscles that haven't felt anything and then my body becomes alive it's the same thing when you meditate is that something becomes awakened and it
00:16:31| energizes you I don't know if it's it's like it's a dopamine rush or what the chemical releases but I feel differently when I'm meditating and after I'm done and I don't do it very often
00:16:43| but I notice it like wall must one in almost every time I try to meditate it does make a difference and I don't know what the difference is but I do feel better that is wild I didn't even think
00:16:56| of that like a muscle but it's and that's why it's probably if you've never meditated or don't really take the time doing it if you try it for 30 seconds like you're not gonna see the result
00:17:06| it's gonna be too hard you don't really work it you think you have to look I think we've talked about the workout paradox where it's easier for someone in shape to work out because you're
00:17:16| constantly working out you're better at working out and someone who's overweight never worked out it hurts the first 30 seconds like you have to have to fight through it and strengthen that muscle if
00:17:26| that makes sense I think there's a period where you're you're not taking it seriously and you're not in it I think you're fighting it yes anything happily when they don't
00:17:36| want to meditate and they're just sitting there like this is stupid like now you don't like take the time digest it weird how did we turn on that's the nuts how did one start yeah I just
00:17:49| looked at anyway it was us I guess the live feeds somehow clicked on or whatever and I was like huh that's us I should have meditated on it and just look at us interesting weird
00:18:00| yeah it is odd so let's talk about where like where where can you meditate I don't even know can you listen to music and meditate is that illegal is that engaging your senses or something I
00:18:12| don't know I feel this at work cuz I like now I can play music while I work like out loud which is absurd like it's different it I don't I never was able to do that any other job but it's very
00:18:27| calming for me and for other people other people enjoy that there's some sound because it's like too quiet and there's only like a handful of people in my
00:18:33| office so it's like they all enjoy the music so it's like very comforting to me and other people which is very strange because other people would normally complain that I'm playing tool or like
00:18:46| audio slate or whatever you know you can feel how much the surrounding area is enjoying or not enjoying your music right it's such a weird feeling yeah you you feel like you're being ridiculed
00:18:56| even though no one's saying anything in like a normal office environment here it is weird you're very aware of gather people's thoughts and emotions without even like interacting with them yeah I
00:19:07| don't know how that works and it's up I would imagine that in a blind test or whatever you'd be right 95% of the time so you think there's an undercurrent of whatever I'm flowing through us all that
00:19:21| we can sense each other is like sharks with their electromagnetism they can sense other animals near them they can now that's a physical thing so what would this thing be an actual physical
00:19:31| property that maybe we can't measure yeah is that a thing it could be eeehm waves hitting space hitting our bodies but then how would they be dependent on our moods like our moods or
00:19:45| missing something maybe they are are we we might be I have no clue but then hold on now you get into the whole the [ __ ] Sciences or like the I'm a clairvoyant the crystals if they come in
00:19:56| here I'm gonna get the crystals we're gonna do a reading in here so I think there's a line where it is BS and there's a line where it isn't BS they don't know which like there's no science
00:20:07| to explain these things that we're kind of discussing Mikey like this is flying in the face of science everything we're coming out is then a scientific thing so I like this
00:20:20| I've read this little scrap in here yeah I mean being scared give off ready [ __ ] predation yeah different human beings give off radiation humans give off mostly infrared which is electromagnetic
00:20:31| radiation this is lower than visible light for you yeah yeah unique to humans and any any object with nonzero temperature gives off thermal radiation okay so sure is that what
00:20:45| you're connected to things and you might not even be aware of it right well you're touching on like invisible light makes up like mobile percent of the electromagnetic I've no clue what
00:20:53| percentage it actually makes up but we can see 1% of what waves people are giving off let's interact yeah yeah I'd be curious I don't think it's 1% I think it's just in an incubus song I think is
00:21:11| less than one millionth of one percent of reality hey just be curious anyway III am curious like do we emit any kind of gamma rays or Iraq but except for that would be too powerful
00:21:24| so with too high a frequency it is very low its 0.3 0.3 5% of the entire electromagnetic spectrum they can't speak tonight wow we can only see less than one one canon of a percent no
00:21:37| that's even less than that that's like point zero one half of a 1% point zero three right or is it zero zero three five zero zero holy [ __ ] so what we see is only that's
00:21:49| nuts I didn't know it was that well 99.99% of reality we can't see that's wild it kind of makes me think that there there is some to it it's yeah there is more I
00:22:05| mean physically there has to be interesting what I find strange is that even though I enjoy it and I feel like it's needed I don't do it like I neglect it and I think that's part of how I
00:22:24| raised is that we neglect ourselves and we don't only pay attention to ourselves especially men then we focus on helping other people protecting other people and doing things for other people and we
00:22:37| never take care of ourselves so there's an aspirant lee doing things that probably I don't know if they're for me or not actually it's sort of our and sort of art I guess you're you're you're
00:22:52| really hedging your bet by saying you're doing it for you so that you feel good but it's actually for someone else or thing else or a future or a future you or a future other people or your family
00:23:03| makes education that makes sense I get oh yeah just to talk about no I said say do you want talk about that book Sidharth ah yeah I actually really love that book so who's a buyer up the guy's
00:23:21| name tardes I almost said Charleston Heston no Charlton Heston so one of my favorite books we had to read in English class well like one of those jabbers probably my top three Siddhartha it's by
00:23:33| Hermann Hesse when did he read it nineteen published in the US and 1951 so I think before that it came from India I want to say Wow publication date 1922 German yeah wild so Siddhartha is the
00:23:50| main character he's a protagonist and um his name I didn't realize that it's made up of two words Sanskrit it means sid ha which is achieved and artha which is that what was searched for that's kind
00:24:03| of cool he has found meaning of existence or he has found meaning in his existence kind of cool so it was kind of it's a it's a roundabout story about Buddha it's not like he's not Buddha or
00:24:16| anything he um I believe he's trying to find meaning in life and he's trying to get the whole age-old story he wants to find what is and what what is the meaning of
00:24:25| existence and what are these higher planes and what do I do and how do I feel these things his father tries to teach him and he he doesn't answer any of his questions cuz Siddharth is a
00:24:35| bastard he's like well what well what gives you feelings of goodness then he's like helping my family he's like that's making you feel good about you feeling good about helping someone he's a guy
00:24:43| don't know leave me alone so he goes off on this journey and one of his friends is like hey follow the cook Tama which is a Buddhist I got a Buddha which is we won't get into
00:24:53| because we didn't do all the research so he decides to take all these paths in life to find out which is the right one totally cool story right go storm thing he wants to do the Samanas which are
00:25:07| travelling aesthetics and they tell us that artha that the best way to do this is by depriving the physical body of anything starve yourself don't engage in pleasures don't
00:25:18| eat don't drink don't party don't have fun and your life will become so drab that you will find what is key to yourself you won't be distracted by any pleasure and you will find that which is
00:25:31| true beauty in the earth and find something in yourself which is a real it's a series of thought people that's what the monks do correct yeah Buddhist monks yeah they
00:25:41| technically don't engage in any of these activities because they're trying to strip down the human condition to its most basic basic basic form have the fewest obstacles they gave pleasures and
00:25:53| cars and cool things and drinks and parties and all the fun stuff that distracts you to find the truth so what are the rules that but Buddhist monks look by oh go ahead can they talk is
00:26:04| that a rumor um I'll go through the list I don't think I think that's a rumor okay refrain from harming living things makes anything that which is not freely given
00:26:15| sexual misconduct wrong speech lying idle chatter oh I got harsh speech I love gossip intoxicated drinks and drugs which lead hosiery airless mm-hmm so those are the main ones so it's pure can
00:26:36| they buy they can't buy nice clothes what would that be under I don't know I don't know absolutely there's like a vow of poverty almost to like you don't by excessive things I feel like I feel like
00:26:50| it has to done do it like on a natural way of life okay it's more about the earth and you yeah the connection isn't linear face human maybe yeah if you're driving around in a Rolls Royce I think
00:27:04| that kind of takes you out of being part of the monk was wearing drab clothes and barely spoke but he had a Rolls Royce his knee hilarious I would go check out that monk so what like common common
00:27:22| views of Buddhist monks is that well they're quiet I guess that's cloistered notice is it close that's not no oyster does nuns either way you're shut off from society you kind of have
00:27:34| your own society you live and eat together and you don't really leave the house where oh cool awesome away from the outside world or having enclosed in an oyster as in a monastery oh oh
00:27:44| nothing about me we're goanna nuns anyway the whole idea is like you have so few distractions that you're spending most of your time with yourself you're exercising that
00:27:55| muscle you kind of mentioned people have hand and they say a day and age it's crazy because you're distracted by so many damn things oh my god every five seconds I have to see it sweet I have to
00:28:04| like something I have to flip open another app I have to entertain myself that music playing actual isalean awesome I have Netflix pictures of Louisville it is my greatest defeat his
00:28:15| weakness is a great picture of a wolf and then writing something about it like hit me there's something that's honestly those are some of my Joy's in life but but these people these monks Siddhartha
00:28:28| decides to try and join them and guess what he kind of does it it kind of feels good but he doesn't it's not the bee's knees doesn't do it for him it's an answer all life's questions so you know
00:28:38| what he does uh-huh oh he starts following Gotama the Buddha and he says hey let me follow you around for a little bit and they go town to town and like similar to monks and beg for food
00:28:49| and hey come listen to the teachings of the great Buddha and then like they have people when he helps them and he doesn't feel like following this guy really is working for hmm that's kind of a thing
00:29:00| like it's in a way it's saying that religion is a way to achieve Zen almost hmm so heinous doesn't work we missed a point though I okay so one of the key elements is that
00:29:14| you're learning from like a master that it's like you're being guided and I think this man was searching for a master to guide him towards Nirvana which is it's a really good point yeah
00:29:27| it's funny cuz that's like just I don't know why I need more than you well even what if they do let's say they do know more than you is there any way for them to convey that
00:29:41| knowledge in a way that you will pick it up in a way that will work for you that's like saying Wayne Gretzky the greatest hockey player ever makes a great coach like you can see taught you
00:29:51| how to be him I can't know he he literally is just himself he can't tell you how he was himself he can try and he might be an okay coach I'm not saying the Israel we
00:30:01| all know he isn't but like but you can only get so much from a teacher a teacher can't teach you how to learn learning comes from within so I agree with that and I was just gonna rip
00:30:16| through these because he gives up and guess what he does he starts shacking up his lover Kamala teaches him all the ways of sex and sensual pleasure he starts doing it
00:30:29| with her like non-stop I'm pretty sure they bang for like two years straight they're banging he's doing tantric stuff he's doing weird stuff there's probably stuff going in booty holes there's like
00:30:40| all sorts of weirdness there's lawyers everywhere they probably show the neighbors there's all sorts everything sexual that your body can experience these two did it and guess what you had
00:30:51| a kid named um young Siddhartha good on you that anyway guess what that wasn't the Beal and all of life and physical pleasure isn't so I'm agree with him that he was going all of life
00:31:03| so I that's one you knees that I feel like maybe Buddhism is like a cult that's like especially like nunneries when they get closer like that word they miss out on pieces of life and they
00:31:17| can't communicate to people who like have had sex before or like kill yourself you cut off the experiences yeah you can't relate to people without all their experiences I don't know that
00:31:30| I don't think it's a distraction I I think that it helps you in every way to understand more about life to experience another person and so I mean it can but you can also even become obsessed or
00:31:42| overly Eli gold I guess ya get dragged it you're not fully culty if you're distracted by other vices unless those are advice is that the cult has you know right the
00:31:54| the mainline via the heroin for it so uh what is my man do next he goes to comma salami a merchant who instructs him on the art of business siddhartha becomes good as [ __ ] it begins nice dude yeah
00:32:08| he's wearing suits he's like friggin ripping people off he makes more money than God he's he knows he he turns it into a game he wants to game the system he's gaining money he's gaining power
00:32:20| he's gaining all these deals he's back brokering deals here and there he's leveraging this against this and he realizes it is all game it's how you play it and he becomes so obsessed with
00:32:31| that he's he's literally one of the best in the land he overtakes his teacher he has so much money a beautiful house he could buy anything but guess what still feels empty and shallow as [ __ ] the
00:32:45| whole time he's changing jobs he lives near this river and uh there's one guy he kind of finds interesting uh Vasu Deva it's the ferryman every time he ends up
00:32:56| changing careers the ferryman takes into his next area and the ferryman is just a cool dude he's just chill he says hey Siddhartha hey what are you doing I'm going to you know change my life do this
00:33:07| he's like that's excellent good on you and the ferryman never seems happy overly he never seems upset he just is a constant he's constantly there to help him ferry across the river so he finally
00:33:19| says hey can you can you help me and the ferryman says do you want to be a paramedic holy [ __ ] that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard so Siddhartha becomes a ferryman and he
00:33:31| learns more about life from the very river thereon than anything else and through all his trials and tribulations all have his answers were in the river the whole time it gives him all his
00:33:45| answers and I don't know that it's true but he says like listen to the river and it's always speaking in many voices and that's like the voices he heard around him look at time and he says but I am an
00:33:55| older man now I can't go back he says the rivers both old and young and he says look it's it's younger back here it's older here that's true and then we'll look at this rock here the water
00:34:06| is constantly moving over it it's never stagnant water is not a point in time water is constant it's here it's there it's moving it's it's continuous it's flowing and that's how time is and I
00:34:20| guess that's kind of the takeaway I got from it it's like Oh Dan something as simple as water flowing that he was just travelling on to get to all these different careers or life paths that was
00:34:30| the answer for him and he found he found peace and I think he stays a ferryman till he dies I made that part off but could they you know what I just realized have you ever watched the movie
00:34:40| adaptation yeah Nicolas Cage Costner's Nicolas Cage yeah a nickel cave is Nicolas Cage Widowmaker his cake and yeah Chris Cooper the John LaRoche character the
00:34:53| guy with no teeth he's a nun hunting for the orchid he is Siddhartha he's because he like he talks about almost passions and he's like no I dropped that idea just added to do something different but
00:35:07| like his quotes are so Sidharth did art then yeah I believe is it are --then hey like here's two quotes so guys talking about flowers in why he loves them he says because they're so mutable
00:35:18| adaptation is a profound profound process means you figure out how to thrive in the world so he was just like an ting at the following line which is point is what's so wonderful is that
00:35:30| every one of these flowers has a specific relationship with the insect that pollinates it orchids there's a certain orchid that looks exactly like a certain insect so the insect is drawn to
00:35:39| this flower it's double its soul mate and wants nothing more to them than to make love to it so it's like it's intense like even for a flower you feel animated by it
00:35:51| like you're the physical embodiment of a flower and you know what love is and then you know what a flower feels like to make love to an insect even though it probably doesn't feel because it might I
00:36:01| mean I wanna know and I will say this I'm giving you a 10 me yeah me 10 in AP English I'm giving you a 10 right now nice I was such a good connection I I know I was the only one in class who got
00:36:16| a 10 and you're thinking about it but I think you get a ten for today yeah that's a good connection that's that's I was on the fly that was pretty good though he it
00:36:26| was the one quote where he was talking about how he used to like have a bunch of sea turtles or some [ __ ] and he's like and like like a minute drop that yeah drop that rock sea turtles I hate
00:36:36| this is like he loves something so intensely that he got over it and that's exactly what I think Siddharth is doing and I think that's exactly what we're doing like there's certain things that
00:36:46| so this is my personal experience is that when I was little always one or two Train Set so my dad built part of a train set but never completed it so I could never actually play with the
00:36:56| trains it was just like the setup the table the fat all the stuff and never as my kids are growing older and able to play with trains I'm just like fully into being like what's build the best
00:37:10| [ __ ] Train Set you can possibly imagine and I feel the joy that I didn't have when I could this train set is 25 years late but it's guess what it's pulling into port baby yeah so there's a
00:37:27| longing there that you don't even realize until it's actually like in the moment and you feel that like the delayed gratification of 25 years but the reverse happens as well is that I
00:37:37| played like racing games when I was little and I mastered them and now I have no desire to like get in a car and race I don't have I don't want to play the racing game anymore
00:37:47| there's like you overcome certain desires and you feel them completely and once you allow yourself to absorb something completely you no longer desire it you no longer need to want it
00:38:01| that's interesting because you also what you touched on what you're saying is you also don't know what you need and what you want at the time you think you know you work towards the thing you feel an
00:38:12| urge to do something you won't know that you won't like that or it won't fulfill you until you do it I mean imagine if you never did it though but you have to urge to do it you can't know that once
00:38:24| you do it it won't fulfill you so I think that's part of the growth process the life process yeah the celebrities banging celebrities do you think they're amazed that they're
00:38:34| banging a celebrity now they're bored they're like why am i loving this yeah but it's they have to it's an urge and I guess the thing that I mean they have because if they didn't they'd be
00:38:44| like why not yeah I agree but when you finish it's probably like I didn't want this after all this is mildly okay at best here's a question do you think you can never find the thing that makes you
00:39:01| happy no weird you can only be content huh do you don't think there's anyone out there happy I don't think they're continually happy I don't know I think they keep searching like I feel
00:39:21| like the person who's just like happy all the time is stupid clinically insane yeah they're they're just dumb like there's you're not creative or inventive enough to think like there's something
00:39:32| more or like I can do this then you're just like stunting yourself you stopped growing you stopped yeah there's that's not a human condition you can't stop you cannot grow
00:39:42| you cannot keep going and wanting more yeah so we're never happy damn it good news is I'm already there yeah do you think it works I was thinking about the people who've become old and they become
00:40:04| in disabled in some way and it I mean there's a point where your body can't heal itself and you just feel the different in abilities you have like how do you
00:40:15| adjust to lacking physical strength and deteriorating that you can't say that life is getting better at that point but you can just kind of succumb to it I guess you could also well that's the
00:40:29| thing that we've never experienced and can't experience right now but when you do I mean maybe you can focus on yourself maybe it forces you to slow down stop doing the things you think you
00:40:41| want to do and you actually can write that book or start reading about so-and-so or start visiting relatives because that's all that's left and that's all you can
00:40:53| really do we're building birdhouses or some dumb [ __ ] I mean I don't know for Bibi maybe that's what you would be happiest doing and so this terrible thing that is sucks and there's no way
00:41:15| around it forces you to find a new happiness have you ever seen the black near where they're in an old folks home and the way they're living life is through virtual reality so they go to
00:41:28| this place that allows them to be young again and relive the moments that they wanted to have and they'd like fulfill regrets do they did they do it and it works out okay lesbian and oh well it's
00:41:43| a love and then the end of the show is her dying so because that's happy yeah it's heavy I mean I don't know it's the Delta of depression I mean here's here's the weirdest yeah here's the weirdest
00:41:58| thing let's say a human being is only one organism it's not really ten billion we're all the exact same person and we're all just allowed to live a different life to see how it works out
00:42:08| and none of them are happy but they all do different [ __ ] all the symbiotic relationships you have going on in your body they're all fighting one another and they're all pissed that they're not
00:42:19| winning and leading and independent well think about it's like in your body you can't control the individual cells muscles emotions you can flex them and everything but they 90% 99% of their
00:42:30| lifespan is spent next to each other living amongst each other interacting with blood cells other cells things going on and that's I consider that me but I don't do any thinking for my the
00:42:42| muscle here huge I know any hair follicle here dead muscle damage it's really good it's not even fighting I don't know that happened trending like this muscle
00:42:58| this hair follicle an individual thought I had in my head all these things exist and I call them me but there there are individuals like my muscle here would say I don't talk [ __ ] on the your hair
00:43:10| the hair follicle on your left leg I don't tell me [ __ ] on that I'm not related that [ __ ] at all and it's it's almost okay you're all part of the same body is that a little bit like
00:43:20| humans like we all think we're doing 10 million things 10 million desires 2 million lives but it's a billion but it's all it's a one thing are we angry is that what you're saying is that we're
00:43:34| driven towards a common goal and we have no clue we all think we're independent and really it we're all connected it would make more sense in that a lot of the reactions and how no one is winning
00:43:45| really and how no one wins in the end and how no one is actually changing anything I mean you're changing things for you're changing parameters inside your environment you're not
00:43:54| you haven't transcended being a human you're still human you still experience it humanly you still have the same feelings we do and this is the type of [ __ ] I think up when I'm is in there's
00:44:06| probably a word for what you're looking up and I appreciate that but I don't we're all one thing we're all one I think there's a tool song that begins third eye that says here's Tom with the
00:44:18| weather we're all life experience itself sigh self exactly follow wha and here's time with the weather I was trying to find it like Buddhism and it does practice generosity altruism to reaching
00:44:29| enlightenment and I guess that's part of not having possessions is that if you do gain possession you try to give it away I was trying to look for like how Buddhism would progress and grow and
00:44:42| help others and I guess that's why but I know they're spreading a wealth of sorts yeah well I don't even know that there's they're relieving themselves wealth because they are their doctrine doesn't
00:44:55| allow them to be wealthy hold up if it's several Buddhists stuck in a cloistered area and one comes into wealth not by choice you know we'll estimate relative
00:45:08| I have to take this money and give it and you give it to another Buddhist do they have to give it to another someone and what if it's all Buddhist yeah like it's all Buddhist no no no no no you my
00:45:18| friend no I will pass to this friend no no no I will pass it like this just keep going around I think there was um like Oh Netflix I think that's called shelf
00:45:29| chef's table chef's table so there was a Buddhist monk that was actually like a michelin-starred chef who literally grew everything she cooked and it was like insane because they went into her life
00:45:44| and they talked about how her family was separate from Buddhist thinking in ways I'm like they were independently somewhat wealthy and they were fearful for her because she relieved herself of
00:45:57| all those obligations and all would like the family ties and well and there was one conversation well he goes way deep more than food he went way deep into like her dad he was dying and it was one
00:46:13| of his last conversations was he traveled to her temple and wanted to check on her before he passed away to see how she was doing and she kind of just said like I'm at peace here I'm
00:46:24| happy like everything that you care about I'm may not but it doesn't matter to me because I'm I'm whole and like her dad went away feeling good about how like his daughter had lived how she's
00:46:37| living and he passed away in peace so there's like a weird kind of like there's so much that other people build up and other people and like a pride and like all that can be broken down and it
00:46:51| can be like severed in a way that makes it so that if you don't fulfill people's dreams you become ashamed and upset and silenced almost by it and that's a Texa wouldn't live well here's the
00:47:05| interesting takeaway she was living her best life and actually probably at peace and happy he was worried it made her parents not at peace and happy so isn't that weird yeah until his dying day when
00:47:18| he realized that like oh this is a just way of life it's a good way of living but she's so she was like renowned for her food like she had traveled all over the world serve accomplished yeah
00:47:32| just didn't make money off of it but he didn't need the money she wanted yeah exactly here's something that's weird I think about and it's super it's vain I guess
00:47:42| but you know how I said I feel like I'm fairly enlightened I feel like an 80 year old me told me never be afraid of anything never worry about anything life is gonna happen regardless yeah put your
00:47:53| mind in flexsim yeah I've taken this approach to life where I feel like I really kind of don't care not don't care not in a bad way a recklessness and uh I just want to experience life and I don't
00:48:09| really want to fret too much about it yeah and I'm almost like the most important thing is interaction day to day I sometimes honestly feel like having that approach having a feeling
00:48:22| like this is here I'll put it this way if you literally lived every day like it was the last day on earth you would live the craziest life in the world and everyone would interact with you in a
00:48:34| terrible terrible way like people like don't you care about your future don't you do this what's going on inside of you you're making me worried you're making me nervous you're making me
00:48:45| scared you're making me this and you literally can put people on edge and make people uncomfortable or sad or scared or angry careless yeah yes so so which is it you can't have it both ways
00:48:59| you can't be like live every day like it's your last day spend all your money on hookers and cocaine and do this and that it's like that's a terrible decision there's there's there's gotta
00:49:10| be a border a boundary for how far you can live your fullest life but you almost have to be part of the drudgery and the the boring stuff and the working with society and thinking about your
00:49:26| future and going to a boring job because it ties you with other people doesn't it if you totally were closer to monk you you can't relate to regular people or a vagabond people were homeless like
00:49:40| hippies I feel like that was the embodiment the American embodiment of that back and like the Sevi kind of woods it's not a good call I'm giving you a
00:49:47| nine out of ten on that paper oh nice nice nice nice but good good insight so I would like so there's a there's a reddit subreddit for homelessness that I actually it's a separator for everything
00:50:01| yeah it's amazing to see their perspective sometimes because like the simplicity of life and what their needs are like sometimes they just need a hot shower and like for some reason they
00:50:12| have a phone too which baffles me is that they like are tweeting about like oh there's a hot shower on like this street and this xx fit broad and it's like they recovered it and it's a like
00:50:25| for them the value of it is like exponential like they can't even believe that it exists imagine how good a hot shower feels to the home is Bert yeah a clean hot shower well they probably
00:50:37| experience like the pure [ __ ] of like not having showered or showers that are just filthy and disgusting or training to shower out of like a sink or something like not really showering yeah
00:50:48| like how awful would that be but how good yeah what a real one exactly so it's gonna talk about B and the Delta baby come back here we come to the Delta a lot folks it's a difference of your
00:51:03| everyday average everyday life and how much you respect or feel or the greatness of an event if you had a hot shower in a pristine shower every day it wouldn't feel that great one regular day
00:51:14| it would feel good not as good as it feels to a homeless guy who hasn't had one in a month and a half that's ridiculous yeah that feeling you couldn't you couldn't manufacture that
00:51:25| feeling yeah and if it's flowing eventually the silt builds a delta your own island or you can't feel there's gonna be some English major papers that I can't stand today so good I want to
00:51:43| give you a 10 out of 10 today oh my goodness call our old English teacher my god you just tied everything underneath those podcasts sitar no you
00:51:52| gave us this book something I don't remember just give him a 10 Impa gaya then can you write on this piece paper 10 Chris Kim just give me a 10 right now
00:52:05| rip your name on the top it just it's for the podcast so Zen yes get it back to the Zen which one is then that we've been talking about all night so there's is there's a piece that's I feel like
00:52:22| there's a misconception is that Zen is like an action that there's meditation involved and there's like a focus I think the focus is actually like it could be anything
00:52:35| so I derives in from like being in stuff regardless of what it is like if you fully allow yourself to be working or playing a video game or music or whatever your craft may be I think
00:52:50| that's the goal is that you get so into something that you feel it it's so intricate and so part of you that you actually improve how you do it like an old man in a movie or a trope or a TV
00:53:06| show who's always good at working on cars and he has the hardest car job in the world and he's trying to help these heroes who came to him with a car that was it was utterly destroyed and then
00:53:15| there's a montage where he's working on the car and he's not talking anyone and he's just he's [ __ ] working like that does end right know what the best example of Zen is that guitar shop with
00:53:29| the dad and the son that I sent you holy that was like an hour along well it's exactly like the dude working on the car come on bring it let it go okay because that guitar shop was insane they
00:53:42| had so many different unique tools and the father and son were in like such a perfect singing well because they yeah they've done this so many times the Zen come from repetition
00:53:53| this is mastery we're talking about mastery here I know you like to bring up mastery a lot how many hours 10 thousand hours I wasn't ours Wow his mastery have an item gives me a ten
00:54:05| thousand our master the to do anything for ten thousand hours you're so good at it that it's second nature it's part of your blood it's part of your rhythm it's part of your life muscle memory but do
00:54:24| you become so good at it that your muscles can take over and you're able to focus on different things is that what happens I think so I think your body takes over so that you can then decide
00:54:35| more intricate details that you may not be able to pay attention to unless your body allows you to to it to do it this is getting crazy because now I'm thinking of the paradiddle paradox do
00:54:51| not a paradiddle list no okay it's a drummer technique where you go right left right right left right left left right left right right and you keep repeating it you get faster faster it's
00:55:00| like yeah it's called a person anyway it's right lip anyway uh if you any drummer will probably be able to tell you if you do them enough your your muscle memory it becomes second nature
00:55:16| has turn faster so what you're gonna do it so what happens is as you get faster and faster and better and better you start doing emphasis so we don't write lever or like right left right right no
00:55:31| no you still keep the pattern your emphasis changes so then your right there are left right right left right left and then you're doing a paradiddle of emphasis while you're paradiddle II I
00:55:45| know that sounds crazy but I've been playing around with drums and your body starts doing weird things where I reach another level and it's you tied into it where your physical body is mastering a
00:56:01| subject and you start playing around in the subject matter does that make sense like I'm making a paradiddle while I make a paradiddle so whoever's really good at repairing a car or making it a
00:56:12| guitar terrible that they wrong word no it's a good word anyway they're they're so able to do it with their eyes closed that they they insert details that no one
00:56:26| else will be able to do emphasis that no one else would even catch they're able to do nuances that no one can even see music and it's yeah yes hundred percent who's the drummer for
00:56:39| rush Neil Peart r.i.p EI our table like the drum set absolutely insane that he had oh yeah he has a 360 degree drum set it just had has whatever you want we haven't talked about what it feels like
00:56:57| to play an instrument and get lost cuz that is the ultimate meditation in my opinion because I could end up an instrument and just be gone and come back and feel that meditation even
00:57:09| though I'm not trying to meditate you are like one with the sound that you are making that is weird and the only way you can get there is by hours and hours and hours of practice you can't pick it
00:57:21| up and get there in then at five hours could you what feel like weirdest is that I forget like I'm incapable of playing certain music that I mean I knew you start rolling and then your body
00:57:34| kind of like sheds the confusion and then you start figuring out things based on just and sound the weirdest thing of this whole thing is I didn't think we're gonna talk about
00:57:44| our bodies as much when we talked about then it's 100% physical and mental synergy isn't it it is synergistic I think there's something so weird there that we just ignore for like the longest
00:58:03| time and you can feel it in other people when they're there like I feel like performers do it so well when they sing a note or they play a song and you are because you you empathize with what
00:58:20| they're doing and they've done that note or that thing 10,000 hours plus I'm telling you yeah it's not their first rodeo Zen is that it's just something you are
00:58:31| so good at that you become physically perfect at it and then on top of that you become mentally spiritually involved in it I don't even know what the word is because those aren't scientific words
00:58:47| but they're like so there's a video my favorite video of Stevie Ray Vaughn where my favourite guitarist yeah there's a video if you type in see rave on Lenny one of the videos is of him and
00:59:01| I'd have to see that the thumbnail that tell you which one it is it's one of his top three and it's live and he plays Lenny which is a song about his wife who I believe was alive at the time that he
00:59:11| wrote it I'm not sure if she passed or or how it works he's so high on cocaine and whatever a drug he was on that he he does this and his head goes down and he doesn't move his head at all and just
00:59:25| his hands and fingers move and he's moving around the neck and doing ridiculous things and there's so much emotion and crazy stuff happening and his it's like he's unconscious he's not
00:59:37| even awake and he's playing notes that are his his soul if I were to say it and he frickin rips his fretboard up and goes insane and nuts and there's sweat dripping down his face and he's totally
00:59:50| not even awake and he's playing things that most people who who play guitar for years couldn't do yes and it's and at the end he like wakes up and like plays I'm like that's insane that's that's
01:00:03| he's in some kind of zone that I guess I would have to call Zen at this point we all have a zone yeah what is in ability do you yoga do I do stretch more than I used to but I don't yoga I think I would
01:00:23| love to you know I haven't done in a class I've done we yoga [ __ ] that don't count they're like I'm not gonna good good good but could you wait it does so I could let into doing like the YouTube
01:00:41| like yoga sessions which I've done with my wife like side-by-side in it there is definitely something in releasing whatever your body's like I don't know that I'm gonna call it toxins because I
01:00:54| think that's garbage but there's like stretching out the muscles that don't get used but very often it definitely does something to release whatever tension you might have so weird we keep
01:01:05| coming back to the physicality of this I didn't think Zen was this physical but it's totally physical well there's totally like a stance that you need a focus there's never you can't be relaxed
01:01:18| and calm and doing I don't know you can't sit on your couch and watch TV and then I don't know maybe you can but is there any physical action that you can do or inaction that would not be
01:01:34| described as in eating potato chips on the couch I don't think you can do that and be then do you think you could I feel like the third product is like if you had I remember working like a
01:01:49| exactly that and feelings in but the Zen byproduct was not because I was eating potato chips you can use n eat potato chips can you use in and do something bad for your body
01:01:59| you think Homer Simpson could Zen eat potato chips and it would be like almost wholly good actually but that's 10,000 hours of practice interesting oh man I mean the dude who I was just referencing
01:02:18| are like Stevie Ray Vaughn could do cocaine and play that song or whatever Zen is just Zen is where you're meant to be and that feeling of doing the natural groove feeling what comes naturally
01:02:35| doing what you're meant to do and it's higher level accepting it yeah it's not thinking about it was doing it yeah did you read the book that was like you can do anything you want your um your brain
01:02:53| tells you you need 10,000 hours of experience to be good at it you could pick up a guitar and play it perfectly you just your brain tells you you need to practice to experience it
01:03:03| what is a book I wish I knew what it was you can do anything you can um you could run a marathon today your brain will just tell you this not useless this isn't a good feeling I will fall apart I
01:03:16| feel like this is a malcolm blackwell Gladwell it could be what either way it's interesting it was a whole thing that your but your brain tells you you can't do something and so it won't allow
01:03:32| you to do it until you've practiced it enough or you've done it enough or earned it I feel like this is a marathon runners kind of mantra is that yeah there's a point where your body gives
01:03:43| way it says no men's are done and you're like just keep pushing did you keep pushing something I think you could this is something this is a running fatboyron I haven't listened to Joe Rogan a long
01:03:54| time but I think that's Dave Goggins was his name is that he had some sort of like muscle pull that like would make most people in able to walk and he ran it on and won it with that muscle pull
01:04:09| based on his own will buddy listen to that guy speak because he I would define him as like clinically insane but also like a Navy SEAL who's the most driven person I've ever listened to like even
01:04:25| if his body was broken I feel like he would unbreak it so that he could succeed like he's crippled and it's like just get up and die why are you screaming it and it is that the body
01:04:35| gets up cuz it's like okay really his brain forces his body to listen to him yes that is a real thing it's it's wild that we got into as much brain and body as we did but that's I I really didn't
01:04:51| think we're getting there his end is is finding your your brains you see your body it's finding would you say in the beginning of the episode that we thought with me true I don't know if it did the
01:05:04| opposite of boredom or the same as portal what was it I don't know hmm never know yeah every what your 10 out of that one rewind put it in the VCR Oh
01:05:20| boredom is focusing on the outside things oh yeah Zen it's focusing on the inside trying to yeah kind of truck very true huh I think that's where we end it we have to yes I could talk about this
01:05:38| for another six hours we don't say anything we need 10,000 hours to get to reach then mm-hmm mastery so what do we talk about we talked about the origin of Buddhism we
01:05:49| talk about Hinduism Jainism hearth isn't mm-hmm Taoism we talk we literally discuss the subject on terrorism yes and now do you love the Taoist stuff like the whole you must seek the truth by
01:06:05| finding falsehoods or like whatever like that what do you want the tenants of Dallas informs I am good pull it up I just love when things that are like the only way to find the truth is to cut
01:06:20| through lies and it's like oh that's deep yeah Daoist thought focuses on genuineness longevity health immortality vitality woo a non-action a natural action a perfect equilibrium with dow
01:06:34| detachment a refinement emptiness spontaneity transformation and omni potentiality it's just a bunch of words it's like it's like it's like a grocery list
01:06:53| it's like pairs meat that's on sale sometimes seltzer water ginger ale do you have chips for the child as a oh that's a lot information you didn't write this down dude so yeah she'll have
01:07:05| that if I was gonna make a cult I would like to have like old like this ridiculous wish list this and this and health and servitude you're Santa building the ability to hunt deer and
01:07:17| it's like well we're doing you just put it in the middle wanna be able to shoot a compound bow it through her yard that's like wow that's part of your religion it's like yeah and moving
01:07:27| on Hinduism belief in belief in other people supporting the troops it's like whoa Jesus Christ still in the deer oh man I'll do then you gotta find your Zen dude you're gonna gonna meditate more
01:07:44| meditate and relax it's not relaxing though little different focus focus with relaxation weird odd strange interesting Eastern culture and time materialistic like it all just
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00:02:14| panderers Derek Zoolander so our topic tonight is Zen then cool word right Ralph the bat yeah unless ZZZ out there so shutout yeah three little words not many mm-hmm Scrabble definitely no
00:02:40| Zen God sex I was going with Scrabble no I don't think you can play that one Madison has it important word though it is you know understand I agree with you good I'm glad you agree with my
00:02:56| agreement good we're here in that agreement actually has here and then definition pulled up because I actually quite long word go ahead look it's Chinese Sean or Japanese Zen or
00:03:16| Korean Ceylon or Vietnamese Seon like the last one well my pronunciation was not practiced or spelled out so it could be all tirely wrong hmm I have developed strongly
00:03:32| influenced who this is a lot of words let's just say it's it's the chills in yeah that's yeah just we should edit this Wikipedia article just to Jenn I think we should then is the chills Lee
00:03:44| we could read it but it's a lot of words and just Nations and stuff it's a school of Maya Buddhism Mahayana Buddhism that originated in China during the Tang Dynasty there none of the chan school
00:03:56| later developed the very schools and went to neo Taoist need to install Chinese Buddhism from Qian Qian spread the Vietnam and it's like that's uh then that definition to the opposite of the
00:04:07| Western world right there and it is it's kind of like it's it's before enlightenment it's like the work you put in for enlightenment I don't know I don't know where is it it lightning I
00:04:22| don't I don't know it's different than Nirvana correct what isn't hervana I had that definition pulled up as well I'm glad you asked although I just minimized it's a hold on
00:04:38| dance I heard someone say that half of listening to a podcast is people just looking up words and Wikipedia and stuff and I was like that's not true can't be true hold on a second let's lift this up
00:04:52| oh let me take a look nirvanah oh that's why I couldn't see it it was in that color Nirvana is actually considered it's it's not the final state so I want all the eyes and hands show up it's with
00:05:05| Hinduism Jainism Buddhism and it represents an ultimate state of soteriological release the liberation from repeated rebirth and samsara so yeah it's like like
00:05:18| spiritual orgasm yeah yeah I'd better put it I would read where as in I feel like it's a constant state hmm you don't of zen is like a working state like something that we can actually feel I
00:05:31| don't know that everyone can feel nirvana I think you can get to Nirvana maybe no maybe no one do you think like they're faking it this is all I was going with
00:05:41| this is all mister like made it last week when my god what was it like it was Wednesday it was crazy I don't know what I'm I was any hot dude yeah he's in doubt so there's an idea but I know this
00:05:56| there's a theme right the little trees buns I treat you like chip it either sand sand garden oh yeah you rake rake a sand garden I've kind of that's kind of that's pimp if I were say so myself I
00:06:12| was really wealthy I'd have a Zen garden no reason oh hell yeah it would know really ly unkempt and I wouldn't care about it but it'd be there once in a while I would get drunk and intend the
00:06:21| Sam garden just like you would see me just breaking looking off in the distance maybe peeing occasionally it doesn't have like a house party and then like that's the
00:06:33| only thing I'm doing oh dude he'll be while survey shows like Nick and you're just like no a moment for I am deep would you join me no I'm good you then it's on your rake and he
00:06:49| feels insecure I can't I can't measure up to you Nick you must begin anew before you can grasp the new rake and I point to a bigger be furious oh yeah you know you want that rate so
00:07:04| then it's we associated with like I said the bonsai tree it's this little pit the monks you know you mean doing this it's almost a feeling it's a feeling we don't normally feel unless we try it's weird
00:07:18| because it's is it the opposite of boredom it's doing nothing but not feeling bored sort of I think that boredom searches for
00:07:29| something outside of yourself whereas then searches for something inside of you might be really good I don't even know if it correct I just liked it I liked it I hope so
00:07:40| by the end of the episode if you were right this is a classic classic I'm panders have you fell in before yeah I think Ivana I think I mentioned it on this podcast
00:07:53| don't think so no this is a story I am my grandmother died and I lost my virginity oh all within like a real short time frame so like I was like hormones raging
00:08:08| I'm like a teenager I'm young and it was the first person I ever sold by and I used to be that's weird cuz I thought is the first runner person Universal naked and then
00:08:19| oh I hope not which which woman are you talking one which one which one I'm so yeah in my memory it's a smash together I can't and I was like this apart the body's no I was like an angsty emo kind
00:08:37| of a overthinking really nerdy teenager I don't know like I was really great dark oak trees annually I did I was not athletic at all oh and Ikes and I was always thinking inside my head
00:08:52| like oh my god what do I wear oh my god what are you saying the situation to girls like me like that kind of stuff yeah and I remember I used to go for walks and listen to really loud music in
00:09:00| my headphones that you had to plug into your CD player now I would walk in the neighborhood pretty much Lana Lee make sure so it didn't skip ESP cranked to 1015 second
00:09:12| ESP mm-hm electronic skip protection for those listening yeah you tried to be just the test make sure ace bass boost on mmm but uh I was going for a walk and I do this
00:09:25| often because I was an angsty teen and I would just look up at the stars and kinda just walk around and be depressed and email and one night it was right after my grandmother died and I saw a
00:09:33| Lord of the Rings one of them I forget which one it was walking I think it was that one that Fellowship of the Ring no I think it's later on
00:09:44| okay either way I was walking and I remember I walked down this one area where there's all grass and it's open field and I was in the Joe Satriani cords of life I still remember oh yeah I
00:09:54| know that's a good song really good and I remember listening to it and I was all the sudden I don't remember walking anymore I was just like I always somewhere else and I almost fell like my
00:10:07| grandmother was there who had just passed like I felt like everyone like I felt like I wasn't on earth like I was literally somewhere else and I remember like I don't know how much time passed
00:10:19| but the song was almost over and I kind of came to and I remember you could see your breath it was really cold outside and I could see like my breath and I was crying and I didn't remember crying I
00:10:30| was like what the hell just happened to me and I remember this really overwhelming voice telling me and it was my own voice telling me that I didn't have to be afraid of anything ever and
00:10:41| it literally to this day it's probably something that made me like Who I am where I'm like I don't [ __ ] care like not in a bad way but in a way that there's nothing in life that you could
00:10:51| be afraid of because it's always trial and error you're always doing something you're always moving you're always making mistakes you're always everyone else is doing it too and it occurred to
00:10:59| me that night at 14 16 12 whatever the hell I was that I I was invincible in a way hmm like I was free to do whatever I want with this life it almost like I had old
00:11:12| person wisdom like you know when 80 year olds were like listen I wish I'd done this sooner I wish I was not afraid of this I wish to do this and I felt all that and it
00:11:21| made me I don't know I was less awkward mentally I'm not usually just afraid of anything but it all began that night and I I still liked just that ready chords like it's all no so do you think
00:11:33| something I've lifted that you like became aware of something that you just couldn't see before that would changed you yeah I do I think it was almost like like I said when you're 80 and you have
00:11:45| all this knowledge of life and you say oh I wish I could tell myself at X age that none of it matters in a weird way not in a bad way but in a way like everyone's gonna live
00:11:56| everyone's gonna die yours is one of billions of lives kinda doesn't matter so kind of enjoy it embrace the experiences of it and I honestly feel like somehow I gave that to myself or or
00:12:07| deceased relatives gave that to me or someone or something gave that to me and from then on like I sometimes think of that moment when I'm starting to feel anxious or something I'm like cares dude
00:12:18| let it go just be you're gonna look back on this and there will be a time where this moment in your life this anxious feeling will be in the past it can't hurt you it's over I don't know is that
00:12:33| a thing so I I feel like there's a lot of life that spent just being distracted and like the entire Western culture focuses on all these things that don't Center on you really how do you focus on
00:12:50| your emotions and your calm and your peace and most almost all of what I've read about Buddhist culture and like Zen culture is that you have to like take the time spend the time to focus on
00:13:02| yourself and like not necessarily all the problems that you have but the like the the calm that is like protects you from those problems because it ya sail the stormy sea the choppy sea and be
00:13:18| calm and smooth through it a lot of life I see people be stressed out and I don't know if I'm more Zen than other people but I take a moment and like relax whereas they get kind of worked up and I
00:13:31| don't like now in everyday life I don't think I really get worked up I just slowly get stressed and it takes like days before I'm really actually stressed out but it only takes like a like maybe
00:13:44| half an hour to an hour and I'm sat down and meditated but if he just kind of calm down it kind of goes away like a way to Alan Watts who I've brought up before the great philosopher he um
00:14:00| Western actually but he believes a lot of the Eastern Buddhists that kind of stuff lines I thought it one of his big things is like the dividing line between you
00:14:10| and the outside world is really great I mean you just mentioned it where there's a lot of stuff going on there's choppy seas I mean are you your race are you the 500 things that guy you to arrays
00:14:22| are you the 500 experiences that you use to determine your 500 decisions that guide you to a race and there's at some point where we get so worked up in these things that are not technically us no to
00:14:34| reason outside not even I mean material but also decisions like little tiny things like where how I interact with so-and-so how I do this was so and so when I get the
00:14:42| raise here when I do this and I'm saying raise because we do the work thing but school anything and there comes a point where that's not you that's something you interact with so you will be a
00:14:53| constant regardless of how you do these things and whether you pick a or B or C or D or X or Y you will still be you and I think that's what you kind of touched on what you do if you just breathe my
00:15:08| kind of whoa refocus you're spreading yourself real thin you're in a lot of different areas you're doing a whole different fun things but ultimately when you stop and think about it you are in a
00:15:19| smaller area I don't know do you meditate I don't think so did I get I don't know that's weird because I don't do it but I know I I have done it and I like doing it I just don't have like the
00:15:37| time to sit there and just I knew you're gonna say to them yeah time is the biggest constraint for all of this yeah you know you don't want to feel like you're wasting time but how do you
00:15:46| justify the time that you've wasted or the time you've used for something and it doesn't really amount to anything that you can feel you just set it to find wasted time I mean it's impossible
00:15:57| to define that because meditating is doing nothing right is that the definition of meditating it's kind of doing nothing and just focusing yeah but there's a feeling that happens when
00:16:08| you're meditating it's almost like you're exercising a muscle like there are times when I feel like that I haven't exercised in a while and I feel slow and lethargic and it
00:16:18| like a moment a period of exercise to like wake up muscles that haven't felt anything and then my body becomes alive it's the same thing when you meditate is that something becomes awakened and it
00:16:31| energizes you I don't know if it's it's like it's a dopamine rush or what the chemical releases but I feel differently when I'm meditating and after I'm done and I don't do it very often
00:16:43| but I notice it like wall must one in almost every time I try to meditate it does make a difference and I don't know what the difference is but I do feel better that is wild I didn't even think
00:16:56| of that like a muscle but it's and that's why it's probably if you've never meditated or don't really take the time doing it if you try it for 30 seconds like you're not gonna see the result
00:17:06| it's gonna be too hard you don't really work it you think you have to look I think we've talked about the workout paradox where it's easier for someone in shape to work out because you're
00:17:16| constantly working out you're better at working out and someone who's overweight never worked out it hurts the first 30 seconds like you have to have to fight through it and strengthen that muscle if
00:17:26| that makes sense I think there's a period where you're you're not taking it seriously and you're not in it I think you're fighting it yes anything happily when they don't
00:17:36| want to meditate and they're just sitting there like this is stupid like now you don't like take the time digest it weird how did we turn on that's the nuts how did one start yeah I just
00:17:49| looked at anyway it was us I guess the live feeds somehow clicked on or whatever and I was like huh that's us I should have meditated on it and just look at us interesting weird
00:18:00| yeah it is odd so let's talk about where like where where can you meditate I don't even know can you listen to music and meditate is that illegal is that engaging your senses or something I
00:18:12| don't know I feel this at work cuz I like now I can play music while I work like out loud which is absurd like it's different it I don't I never was able to do that any other job but it's very
00:18:27| calming for me and for other people other people enjoy that there's some sound because it's like too quiet and there's only like a handful of people in my
00:18:33| office so it's like they all enjoy the music so it's like very comforting to me and other people which is very strange because other people would normally complain that I'm playing tool or like
00:18:46| audio slate or whatever you know you can feel how much the surrounding area is enjoying or not enjoying your music right it's such a weird feeling yeah you you feel like you're being ridiculed
00:18:56| even though no one's saying anything in like a normal office environment here it is weird you're very aware of gather people's thoughts and emotions without even like interacting with them yeah I
00:19:07| don't know how that works and it's up I would imagine that in a blind test or whatever you'd be right 95% of the time so you think there's an undercurrent of whatever I'm flowing through us all that
00:19:21| we can sense each other is like sharks with their electromagnetism they can sense other animals near them they can now that's a physical thing so what would this thing be an actual physical
00:19:31| property that maybe we can't measure yeah is that a thing it could be eeehm waves hitting space hitting our bodies but then how would they be dependent on our moods like our moods or
00:19:45| missing something maybe they are are we we might be I have no clue but then hold on now you get into the whole the [ __ ] Sciences or like the I'm a clairvoyant the crystals if they come in
00:19:56| here I'm gonna get the crystals we're gonna do a reading in here so I think there's a line where it is BS and there's a line where it isn't BS they don't know which like there's no science
00:20:07| to explain these things that we're kind of discussing Mikey like this is flying in the face of science everything we're coming out is then a scientific thing so I like this
00:20:20| I've read this little scrap in here yeah I mean being scared give off ready [ __ ] predation yeah different human beings give off radiation humans give off mostly infrared which is electromagnetic
00:20:31| radiation this is lower than visible light for you yeah yeah unique to humans and any any object with nonzero temperature gives off thermal radiation okay so sure is that what
00:20:45| you're connected to things and you might not even be aware of it right well you're touching on like invisible light makes up like mobile percent of the electromagnetic I've no clue what
00:20:53| percentage it actually makes up but we can see 1% of what waves people are giving off let's interact yeah yeah I'd be curious I don't think it's 1% I think it's just in an incubus song I think is
00:21:11| less than one millionth of one percent of reality hey just be curious anyway III am curious like do we emit any kind of gamma rays or Iraq but except for that would be too powerful
00:21:24| so with too high a frequency it is very low its 0.3 0.3 5% of the entire electromagnetic spectrum they can't speak tonight wow we can only see less than one one canon of a percent no
00:21:37| that's even less than that that's like point zero one half of a 1% point zero three right or is it zero zero three five zero zero holy [ __ ] so what we see is only that's
00:21:49| nuts I didn't know it was that well 99.99% of reality we can't see that's wild it kind of makes me think that there there is some to it it's yeah there is more I
00:22:05| mean physically there has to be interesting what I find strange is that even though I enjoy it and I feel like it's needed I don't do it like I neglect it and I think that's part of how I
00:22:24| raised is that we neglect ourselves and we don't only pay attention to ourselves especially men then we focus on helping other people protecting other people and doing things for other people and we
00:22:37| never take care of ourselves so there's an aspirant lee doing things that probably I don't know if they're for me or not actually it's sort of our and sort of art I guess you're you're you're
00:22:52| really hedging your bet by saying you're doing it for you so that you feel good but it's actually for someone else or thing else or a future or a future you or a future other people or your family
00:23:03| makes education that makes sense I get oh yeah just to talk about no I said say do you want talk about that book Sidharth ah yeah I actually really love that book so who's a buyer up the guy's
00:23:21| name tardes I almost said Charleston Heston no Charlton Heston so one of my favorite books we had to read in English class well like one of those jabbers probably my top three Siddhartha it's by
00:23:33| Hermann Hesse when did he read it nineteen published in the US and 1951 so I think before that it came from India I want to say Wow publication date 1922 German yeah wild so Siddhartha is the
00:23:50| main character he's a protagonist and um his name I didn't realize that it's made up of two words Sanskrit it means sid ha which is achieved and artha which is that what was searched for that's kind
00:24:03| of cool he has found meaning of existence or he has found meaning in his existence kind of cool so it was kind of it's a it's a roundabout story about Buddha it's not like he's not Buddha or
00:24:16| anything he um I believe he's trying to find meaning in life and he's trying to get the whole age-old story he wants to find what is and what what is the meaning of
00:24:25| existence and what are these higher planes and what do I do and how do I feel these things his father tries to teach him and he he doesn't answer any of his questions cuz Siddharth is a
00:24:35| bastard he's like well what well what gives you feelings of goodness then he's like helping my family he's like that's making you feel good about you feeling good about helping someone he's a guy
00:24:43| don't know leave me alone so he goes off on this journey and one of his friends is like hey follow the cook Tama which is a Buddhist I got a Buddha which is we won't get into
00:24:53| because we didn't do all the research so he decides to take all these paths in life to find out which is the right one totally cool story right go storm thing he wants to do the Samanas which are
00:25:07| travelling aesthetics and they tell us that artha that the best way to do this is by depriving the physical body of anything starve yourself don't engage in pleasures don't
00:25:18| eat don't drink don't party don't have fun and your life will become so drab that you will find what is key to yourself you won't be distracted by any pleasure and you will find that which is
00:25:31| true beauty in the earth and find something in yourself which is a real it's a series of thought people that's what the monks do correct yeah Buddhist monks yeah they
00:25:41| technically don't engage in any of these activities because they're trying to strip down the human condition to its most basic basic basic form have the fewest obstacles they gave pleasures and
00:25:53| cars and cool things and drinks and parties and all the fun stuff that distracts you to find the truth so what are the rules that but Buddhist monks look by oh go ahead can they talk is
00:26:04| that a rumor um I'll go through the list I don't think I think that's a rumor okay refrain from harming living things makes anything that which is not freely given
00:26:15| sexual misconduct wrong speech lying idle chatter oh I got harsh speech I love gossip intoxicated drinks and drugs which lead hosiery airless mm-hmm so those are the main ones so it's pure can
00:26:36| they buy they can't buy nice clothes what would that be under I don't know I don't know absolutely there's like a vow of poverty almost to like you don't by excessive things I feel like I feel like
00:26:50| it has to done do it like on a natural way of life okay it's more about the earth and you yeah the connection isn't linear face human maybe yeah if you're driving around in a Rolls Royce I think
00:27:04| that kind of takes you out of being part of the monk was wearing drab clothes and barely spoke but he had a Rolls Royce his knee hilarious I would go check out that monk so what like common common
00:27:22| views of Buddhist monks is that well they're quiet I guess that's cloistered notice is it close that's not no oyster does nuns either way you're shut off from society you kind of have
00:27:34| your own society you live and eat together and you don't really leave the house where oh cool awesome away from the outside world or having enclosed in an oyster as in a monastery oh oh
00:27:44| nothing about me we're goanna nuns anyway the whole idea is like you have so few distractions that you're spending most of your time with yourself you're exercising that
00:27:55| muscle you kind of mentioned people have hand and they say a day and age it's crazy because you're distracted by so many damn things oh my god every five seconds I have to see it sweet I have to
00:28:04| like something I have to flip open another app I have to entertain myself that music playing actual isalean awesome I have Netflix pictures of Louisville it is my greatest defeat his
00:28:15| weakness is a great picture of a wolf and then writing something about it like hit me there's something that's honestly those are some of my Joy's in life but but these people these monks Siddhartha
00:28:28| decides to try and join them and guess what he kind of does it it kind of feels good but he doesn't it's not the bee's knees doesn't do it for him it's an answer all life's questions so you know
00:28:38| what he does uh-huh oh he starts following Gotama the Buddha and he says hey let me follow you around for a little bit and they go town to town and like similar to monks and beg for food
00:28:49| and hey come listen to the teachings of the great Buddha and then like they have people when he helps them and he doesn't feel like following this guy really is working for hmm that's kind of a thing
00:29:00| like it's in a way it's saying that religion is a way to achieve Zen almost hmm so heinous doesn't work we missed a point though I okay so one of the key elements is that
00:29:14| you're learning from like a master that it's like you're being guided and I think this man was searching for a master to guide him towards Nirvana which is it's a really good point yeah
00:29:27| it's funny cuz that's like just I don't know why I need more than you well even what if they do let's say they do know more than you is there any way for them to convey that
00:29:41| knowledge in a way that you will pick it up in a way that will work for you that's like saying Wayne Gretzky the greatest hockey player ever makes a great coach like you can see taught you
00:29:51| how to be him I can't know he he literally is just himself he can't tell you how he was himself he can try and he might be an okay coach I'm not saying the Israel we
00:30:01| all know he isn't but like but you can only get so much from a teacher a teacher can't teach you how to learn learning comes from within so I agree with that and I was just gonna rip
00:30:16| through these because he gives up and guess what he does he starts shacking up his lover Kamala teaches him all the ways of sex and sensual pleasure he starts doing it
00:30:29| with her like non-stop I'm pretty sure they bang for like two years straight they're banging he's doing tantric stuff he's doing weird stuff there's probably stuff going in booty holes there's like
00:30:40| all sorts of weirdness there's lawyers everywhere they probably show the neighbors there's all sorts everything sexual that your body can experience these two did it and guess what you had
00:30:51| a kid named um young Siddhartha good on you that anyway guess what that wasn't the Beal and all of life and physical pleasure isn't so I'm agree with him that he was going all of life
00:31:03| so I that's one you knees that I feel like maybe Buddhism is like a cult that's like especially like nunneries when they get closer like that word they miss out on pieces of life and they
00:31:17| can't communicate to people who like have had sex before or like kill yourself you cut off the experiences yeah you can't relate to people without all their experiences I don't know that
00:31:30| I don't think it's a distraction I I think that it helps you in every way to understand more about life to experience another person and so I mean it can but you can also even become obsessed or
00:31:42| overly Eli gold I guess ya get dragged it you're not fully culty if you're distracted by other vices unless those are advice is that the cult has you know right the
00:31:54| the mainline via the heroin for it so uh what is my man do next he goes to comma salami a merchant who instructs him on the art of business siddhartha becomes good as [ __ ] it begins nice dude yeah
00:32:08| he's wearing suits he's like friggin ripping people off he makes more money than God he's he knows he he turns it into a game he wants to game the system he's gaining money he's gaining power
00:32:20| he's gaining all these deals he's back brokering deals here and there he's leveraging this against this and he realizes it is all game it's how you play it and he becomes so obsessed with
00:32:31| that he's he's literally one of the best in the land he overtakes his teacher he has so much money a beautiful house he could buy anything but guess what still feels empty and shallow as [ __ ] the
00:32:45| whole time he's changing jobs he lives near this river and uh there's one guy he kind of finds interesting uh Vasu Deva it's the ferryman every time he ends up
00:32:56| changing careers the ferryman takes into his next area and the ferryman is just a cool dude he's just chill he says hey Siddhartha hey what are you doing I'm going to you know change my life do this
00:33:07| he's like that's excellent good on you and the ferryman never seems happy overly he never seems upset he just is a constant he's constantly there to help him ferry across the river so he finally
00:33:19| says hey can you can you help me and the ferryman says do you want to be a paramedic holy [ __ ] that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard so Siddhartha becomes a ferryman and he
00:33:31| learns more about life from the very river thereon than anything else and through all his trials and tribulations all have his answers were in the river the whole time it gives him all his
00:33:45| answers and I don't know that it's true but he says like listen to the river and it's always speaking in many voices and that's like the voices he heard around him look at time and he says but I am an
00:33:55| older man now I can't go back he says the rivers both old and young and he says look it's it's younger back here it's older here that's true and then we'll look at this rock here the water
00:34:06| is constantly moving over it it's never stagnant water is not a point in time water is constant it's here it's there it's moving it's it's continuous it's flowing and that's how time is and I
00:34:20| guess that's kind of the takeaway I got from it it's like Oh Dan something as simple as water flowing that he was just travelling on to get to all these different careers or life paths that was
00:34:30| the answer for him and he found he found peace and I think he stays a ferryman till he dies I made that part off but could they you know what I just realized have you ever watched the movie
00:34:40| adaptation yeah Nicolas Cage Costner's Nicolas Cage yeah a nickel cave is Nicolas Cage Widowmaker his cake and yeah Chris Cooper the John LaRoche character the
00:34:53| guy with no teeth he's a nun hunting for the orchid he is Siddhartha he's because he like he talks about almost passions and he's like no I dropped that idea just added to do something different but
00:35:07| like his quotes are so Sidharth did art then yeah I believe is it are --then hey like here's two quotes so guys talking about flowers in why he loves them he says because they're so mutable
00:35:18| adaptation is a profound profound process means you figure out how to thrive in the world so he was just like an ting at the following line which is point is what's so wonderful is that
00:35:30| every one of these flowers has a specific relationship with the insect that pollinates it orchids there's a certain orchid that looks exactly like a certain insect so the insect is drawn to
00:35:39| this flower it's double its soul mate and wants nothing more to them than to make love to it so it's like it's intense like even for a flower you feel animated by it
00:35:51| like you're the physical embodiment of a flower and you know what love is and then you know what a flower feels like to make love to an insect even though it probably doesn't feel because it might I
00:36:01| mean I wanna know and I will say this I'm giving you a 10 me yeah me 10 in AP English I'm giving you a 10 right now nice I was such a good connection I I know I was the only one in class who got
00:36:16| a 10 and you're thinking about it but I think you get a ten for today yeah that's a good connection that's that's I was on the fly that was pretty good though he it
00:36:26| was the one quote where he was talking about how he used to like have a bunch of sea turtles or some [ __ ] and he's like and like like a minute drop that yeah drop that rock sea turtles I hate
00:36:36| this is like he loves something so intensely that he got over it and that's exactly what I think Siddharth is doing and I think that's exactly what we're doing like there's certain things that
00:36:46| so this is my personal experience is that when I was little always one or two Train Set so my dad built part of a train set but never completed it so I could never actually play with the
00:36:56| trains it was just like the setup the table the fat all the stuff and never as my kids are growing older and able to play with trains I'm just like fully into being like what's build the best
00:37:10| [ __ ] Train Set you can possibly imagine and I feel the joy that I didn't have when I could this train set is 25 years late but it's guess what it's pulling into port baby yeah so there's a
00:37:27| longing there that you don't even realize until it's actually like in the moment and you feel that like the delayed gratification of 25 years but the reverse happens as well is that I
00:37:37| played like racing games when I was little and I mastered them and now I have no desire to like get in a car and race I don't have I don't want to play the racing game anymore
00:37:47| there's like you overcome certain desires and you feel them completely and once you allow yourself to absorb something completely you no longer desire it you no longer need to want it
00:38:01| that's interesting because you also what you touched on what you're saying is you also don't know what you need and what you want at the time you think you know you work towards the thing you feel an
00:38:12| urge to do something you won't know that you won't like that or it won't fulfill you until you do it I mean imagine if you never did it though but you have to urge to do it you can't know that once
00:38:24| you do it it won't fulfill you so I think that's part of the growth process the life process yeah the celebrities banging celebrities do you think they're amazed that they're
00:38:34| banging a celebrity now they're bored they're like why am i loving this yeah but it's they have to it's an urge and I guess the thing that I mean they have because if they didn't they'd be
00:38:44| like why not yeah I agree but when you finish it's probably like I didn't want this after all this is mildly okay at best here's a question do you think you can never find the thing that makes you
00:39:01| happy no weird you can only be content huh do you don't think there's anyone out there happy I don't think they're continually happy I don't know I think they keep searching like I feel
00:39:21| like the person who's just like happy all the time is stupid clinically insane yeah they're they're just dumb like there's you're not creative or inventive enough to think like there's something
00:39:32| more or like I can do this then you're just like stunting yourself you stopped growing you stopped yeah there's that's not a human condition you can't stop you cannot grow
00:39:42| you cannot keep going and wanting more yeah so we're never happy damn it good news is I'm already there yeah do you think it works I was thinking about the people who've become old and they become
00:40:04| in disabled in some way and it I mean there's a point where your body can't heal itself and you just feel the different in abilities you have like how do you
00:40:15| adjust to lacking physical strength and deteriorating that you can't say that life is getting better at that point but you can just kind of succumb to it I guess you could also well that's the
00:40:29| thing that we've never experienced and can't experience right now but when you do I mean maybe you can focus on yourself maybe it forces you to slow down stop doing the things you think you
00:40:41| want to do and you actually can write that book or start reading about so-and-so or start visiting relatives because that's all that's left and that's all you can
00:40:53| really do we're building birdhouses or some dumb [ __ ] I mean I don't know for Bibi maybe that's what you would be happiest doing and so this terrible thing that is sucks and there's no way
00:41:15| around it forces you to find a new happiness have you ever seen the black near where they're in an old folks home and the way they're living life is through virtual reality so they go to
00:41:28| this place that allows them to be young again and relive the moments that they wanted to have and they'd like fulfill regrets do they did they do it and it works out okay lesbian and oh well it's
00:41:43| a love and then the end of the show is her dying so because that's happy yeah it's heavy I mean I don't know it's the Delta of depression I mean here's here's the weirdest yeah here's the weirdest
00:41:58| thing let's say a human being is only one organism it's not really ten billion we're all the exact same person and we're all just allowed to live a different life to see how it works out
00:42:08| and none of them are happy but they all do different [ __ ] all the symbiotic relationships you have going on in your body they're all fighting one another and they're all pissed that they're not
00:42:19| winning and leading and independent well think about it's like in your body you can't control the individual cells muscles emotions you can flex them and everything but they 90% 99% of their
00:42:30| lifespan is spent next to each other living amongst each other interacting with blood cells other cells things going on and that's I consider that me but I don't do any thinking for my the
00:42:42| muscle here huge I know any hair follicle here dead muscle damage it's really good it's not even fighting I don't know that happened trending like this muscle
00:42:58| this hair follicle an individual thought I had in my head all these things exist and I call them me but there there are individuals like my muscle here would say I don't talk [ __ ] on the your hair
00:43:10| the hair follicle on your left leg I don't tell me [ __ ] on that I'm not related that [ __ ] at all and it's it's almost okay you're all part of the same body is that a little bit like
00:43:20| humans like we all think we're doing 10 million things 10 million desires 2 million lives but it's a billion but it's all it's a one thing are we angry is that what you're saying is that we're
00:43:34| driven towards a common goal and we have no clue we all think we're independent and really it we're all connected it would make more sense in that a lot of the reactions and how no one is winning
00:43:45| really and how no one wins in the end and how no one is actually changing anything I mean you're changing things for you're changing parameters inside your environment you're not
00:43:54| you haven't transcended being a human you're still human you still experience it humanly you still have the same feelings we do and this is the type of [ __ ] I think up when I'm is in there's
00:44:06| probably a word for what you're looking up and I appreciate that but I don't we're all one thing we're all one I think there's a tool song that begins third eye that says here's Tom with the
00:44:18| weather we're all life experience itself sigh self exactly follow wha and here's time with the weather I was trying to find it like Buddhism and it does practice generosity altruism to reaching
00:44:29| enlightenment and I guess that's part of not having possessions is that if you do gain possession you try to give it away I was trying to look for like how Buddhism would progress and grow and
00:44:42| help others and I guess that's why but I know they're spreading a wealth of sorts yeah well I don't even know that there's they're relieving themselves wealth because they are their doctrine doesn't
00:44:55| allow them to be wealthy hold up if it's several Buddhists stuck in a cloistered area and one comes into wealth not by choice you know we'll estimate relative
00:45:08| I have to take this money and give it and you give it to another Buddhist do they have to give it to another someone and what if it's all Buddhist yeah like it's all Buddhist no no no no no you my
00:45:18| friend no I will pass to this friend no no no I will pass it like this just keep going around I think there was um like Oh Netflix I think that's called shelf
00:45:29| chef's table chef's table so there was a Buddhist monk that was actually like a michelin-starred chef who literally grew everything she cooked and it was like insane because they went into her life
00:45:44| and they talked about how her family was separate from Buddhist thinking in ways I'm like they were independently somewhat wealthy and they were fearful for her because she relieved herself of
00:45:57| all those obligations and all would like the family ties and well and there was one conversation well he goes way deep more than food he went way deep into like her dad he was dying and it was one
00:46:13| of his last conversations was he traveled to her temple and wanted to check on her before he passed away to see how she was doing and she kind of just said like I'm at peace here I'm
00:46:24| happy like everything that you care about I'm may not but it doesn't matter to me because I'm I'm whole and like her dad went away feeling good about how like his daughter had lived how she's
00:46:37| living and he passed away in peace so there's like a weird kind of like there's so much that other people build up and other people and like a pride and like all that can be broken down and it
00:46:51| can be like severed in a way that makes it so that if you don't fulfill people's dreams you become ashamed and upset and silenced almost by it and that's a Texa wouldn't live well here's the
00:47:05| interesting takeaway she was living her best life and actually probably at peace and happy he was worried it made her parents not at peace and happy so isn't that weird yeah until his dying day when
00:47:18| he realized that like oh this is a just way of life it's a good way of living but she's so she was like renowned for her food like she had traveled all over the world serve accomplished yeah
00:47:32| just didn't make money off of it but he didn't need the money she wanted yeah exactly here's something that's weird I think about and it's super it's vain I guess
00:47:42| but you know how I said I feel like I'm fairly enlightened I feel like an 80 year old me told me never be afraid of anything never worry about anything life is gonna happen regardless yeah put your
00:47:53| mind in flexsim yeah I've taken this approach to life where I feel like I really kind of don't care not don't care not in a bad way a recklessness and uh I just want to experience life and I don't
00:48:09| really want to fret too much about it yeah and I'm almost like the most important thing is interaction day to day I sometimes honestly feel like having that approach having a feeling
00:48:22| like this is here I'll put it this way if you literally lived every day like it was the last day on earth you would live the craziest life in the world and everyone would interact with you in a
00:48:34| terrible terrible way like people like don't you care about your future don't you do this what's going on inside of you you're making me worried you're making me nervous you're making me
00:48:45| scared you're making me this and you literally can put people on edge and make people uncomfortable or sad or scared or angry careless yeah yes so so which is it you can't have it both ways
00:48:59| you can't be like live every day like it's your last day spend all your money on hookers and cocaine and do this and that it's like that's a terrible decision there's there's there's gotta
00:49:10| be a border a boundary for how far you can live your fullest life but you almost have to be part of the drudgery and the the boring stuff and the working with society and thinking about your
00:49:26| future and going to a boring job because it ties you with other people doesn't it if you totally were closer to monk you you can't relate to regular people or a vagabond people were homeless like
00:49:40| hippies I feel like that was the embodiment the American embodiment of that back and like the Sevi kind of woods it's not a good call I'm giving you a
00:49:47| nine out of ten on that paper oh nice nice nice nice but good good insight so I would like so there's a there's a reddit subreddit for homelessness that I actually it's a separator for everything
00:50:01| yeah it's amazing to see their perspective sometimes because like the simplicity of life and what their needs are like sometimes they just need a hot shower and like for some reason they
00:50:12| have a phone too which baffles me is that they like are tweeting about like oh there's a hot shower on like this street and this xx fit broad and it's like they recovered it and it's a like
00:50:25| for them the value of it is like exponential like they can't even believe that it exists imagine how good a hot shower feels to the home is Bert yeah a clean hot shower well they probably
00:50:37| experience like the pure [ __ ] of like not having showered or showers that are just filthy and disgusting or training to shower out of like a sink or something like not really showering yeah
00:50:48| like how awful would that be but how good yeah what a real one exactly so it's gonna talk about B and the Delta baby come back here we come to the Delta a lot folks it's a difference of your
00:51:03| everyday average everyday life and how much you respect or feel or the greatness of an event if you had a hot shower in a pristine shower every day it wouldn't feel that great one regular day
00:51:14| it would feel good not as good as it feels to a homeless guy who hasn't had one in a month and a half that's ridiculous yeah that feeling you couldn't you couldn't manufacture that
00:51:25| feeling yeah and if it's flowing eventually the silt builds a delta your own island or you can't feel there's gonna be some English major papers that I can't stand today so good I want to
00:51:43| give you a 10 out of 10 today oh my goodness call our old English teacher my god you just tied everything underneath those podcasts sitar no you
00:51:52| gave us this book something I don't remember just give him a 10 Impa gaya then can you write on this piece paper 10 Chris Kim just give me a 10 right now
00:52:05| rip your name on the top it just it's for the podcast so Zen yes get it back to the Zen which one is then that we've been talking about all night so there's is there's a piece that's I feel like
00:52:22| there's a misconception is that Zen is like an action that there's meditation involved and there's like a focus I think the focus is actually like it could be anything
00:52:35| so I derives in from like being in stuff regardless of what it is like if you fully allow yourself to be working or playing a video game or music or whatever your craft may be I think
00:52:50| that's the goal is that you get so into something that you feel it it's so intricate and so part of you that you actually improve how you do it like an old man in a movie or a trope or a TV
00:53:06| show who's always good at working on cars and he has the hardest car job in the world and he's trying to help these heroes who came to him with a car that was it was utterly destroyed and then
00:53:15| there's a montage where he's working on the car and he's not talking anyone and he's just he's [ __ ] working like that does end right know what the best example of Zen is that guitar shop with
00:53:29| the dad and the son that I sent you holy that was like an hour along well it's exactly like the dude working on the car come on bring it let it go okay because that guitar shop was insane they
00:53:42| had so many different unique tools and the father and son were in like such a perfect singing well because they yeah they've done this so many times the Zen come from repetition
00:53:53| this is mastery we're talking about mastery here I know you like to bring up mastery a lot how many hours 10 thousand hours I wasn't ours Wow his mastery have an item gives me a ten
00:54:05| thousand our master the to do anything for ten thousand hours you're so good at it that it's second nature it's part of your blood it's part of your rhythm it's part of your life muscle memory but do
00:54:24| you become so good at it that your muscles can take over and you're able to focus on different things is that what happens I think so I think your body takes over so that you can then decide
00:54:35| more intricate details that you may not be able to pay attention to unless your body allows you to to it to do it this is getting crazy because now I'm thinking of the paradiddle paradox do
00:54:51| not a paradiddle list no okay it's a drummer technique where you go right left right right left right left left right left right right and you keep repeating it you get faster faster it's
00:55:00| like yeah it's called a person anyway it's right lip anyway uh if you any drummer will probably be able to tell you if you do them enough your your muscle memory it becomes second nature
00:55:16| has turn faster so what you're gonna do it so what happens is as you get faster and faster and better and better you start doing emphasis so we don't write lever or like right left right right no
00:55:31| no you still keep the pattern your emphasis changes so then your right there are left right right left right left and then you're doing a paradiddle of emphasis while you're paradiddle II I
00:55:45| know that sounds crazy but I've been playing around with drums and your body starts doing weird things where I reach another level and it's you tied into it where your physical body is mastering a
00:56:01| subject and you start playing around in the subject matter does that make sense like I'm making a paradiddle while I make a paradiddle so whoever's really good at repairing a car or making it a
00:56:12| guitar terrible that they wrong word no it's a good word anyway they're they're so able to do it with their eyes closed that they they insert details that no one
00:56:26| else will be able to do emphasis that no one else would even catch they're able to do nuances that no one can even see music and it's yeah yes hundred percent who's the drummer for
00:56:39| rush Neil Peart r.i.p EI our table like the drum set absolutely insane that he had oh yeah he has a 360 degree drum set it just had has whatever you want we haven't talked about what it feels like
00:56:57| to play an instrument and get lost cuz that is the ultimate meditation in my opinion because I could end up an instrument and just be gone and come back and feel that meditation even
00:57:09| though I'm not trying to meditate you are like one with the sound that you are making that is weird and the only way you can get there is by hours and hours and hours of practice you can't pick it
00:57:21| up and get there in then at five hours could you what feel like weirdest is that I forget like I'm incapable of playing certain music that I mean I knew you start rolling and then your body
00:57:34| kind of like sheds the confusion and then you start figuring out things based on just and sound the weirdest thing of this whole thing is I didn't think we're gonna talk about
00:57:44| our bodies as much when we talked about then it's 100% physical and mental synergy isn't it it is synergistic I think there's something so weird there that we just ignore for like the longest
00:58:03| time and you can feel it in other people when they're there like I feel like performers do it so well when they sing a note or they play a song and you are because you you empathize with what
00:58:20| they're doing and they've done that note or that thing 10,000 hours plus I'm telling you yeah it's not their first rodeo Zen is that it's just something you are
00:58:31| so good at that you become physically perfect at it and then on top of that you become mentally spiritually involved in it I don't even know what the word is because those aren't scientific words
00:58:47| but they're like so there's a video my favorite video of Stevie Ray Vaughn where my favourite guitarist yeah there's a video if you type in see rave on Lenny one of the videos is of him and
00:59:01| I'd have to see that the thumbnail that tell you which one it is it's one of his top three and it's live and he plays Lenny which is a song about his wife who I believe was alive at the time that he
00:59:11| wrote it I'm not sure if she passed or or how it works he's so high on cocaine and whatever a drug he was on that he he does this and his head goes down and he doesn't move his head at all and just
00:59:25| his hands and fingers move and he's moving around the neck and doing ridiculous things and there's so much emotion and crazy stuff happening and his it's like he's unconscious he's not
00:59:37| even awake and he's playing notes that are his his soul if I were to say it and he frickin rips his fretboard up and goes insane and nuts and there's sweat dripping down his face and he's totally
00:59:50| not even awake and he's playing things that most people who who play guitar for years couldn't do yes and it's and at the end he like wakes up and like plays I'm like that's insane that's that's
01:00:03| he's in some kind of zone that I guess I would have to call Zen at this point we all have a zone yeah what is in ability do you yoga do I do stretch more than I used to but I don't yoga I think I would
01:00:23| love to you know I haven't done in a class I've done we yoga [ __ ] that don't count they're like I'm not gonna good good good but could you wait it does so I could let into doing like the YouTube
01:00:41| like yoga sessions which I've done with my wife like side-by-side in it there is definitely something in releasing whatever your body's like I don't know that I'm gonna call it toxins because I
01:00:54| think that's garbage but there's like stretching out the muscles that don't get used but very often it definitely does something to release whatever tension you might have so weird we keep
01:01:05| coming back to the physicality of this I didn't think Zen was this physical but it's totally physical well there's totally like a stance that you need a focus there's never you can't be relaxed
01:01:18| and calm and doing I don't know you can't sit on your couch and watch TV and then I don't know maybe you can but is there any physical action that you can do or inaction that would not be
01:01:34| described as in eating potato chips on the couch I don't think you can do that and be then do you think you could I feel like the third product is like if you had I remember working like a
01:01:49| exactly that and feelings in but the Zen byproduct was not because I was eating potato chips you can use n eat potato chips can you use in and do something bad for your body
01:01:59| you think Homer Simpson could Zen eat potato chips and it would be like almost wholly good actually but that's 10,000 hours of practice interesting oh man I mean the dude who I was just referencing
01:02:18| are like Stevie Ray Vaughn could do cocaine and play that song or whatever Zen is just Zen is where you're meant to be and that feeling of doing the natural groove feeling what comes naturally
01:02:35| doing what you're meant to do and it's higher level accepting it yeah it's not thinking about it was doing it yeah did you read the book that was like you can do anything you want your um your brain
01:02:53| tells you you need 10,000 hours of experience to be good at it you could pick up a guitar and play it perfectly you just your brain tells you you need to practice to experience it
01:03:03| what is a book I wish I knew what it was you can do anything you can um you could run a marathon today your brain will just tell you this not useless this isn't a good feeling I will fall apart I
01:03:16| feel like this is a malcolm blackwell Gladwell it could be what either way it's interesting it was a whole thing that your but your brain tells you you can't do something and so it won't allow
01:03:32| you to do it until you've practiced it enough or you've done it enough or earned it I feel like this is a marathon runners kind of mantra is that yeah there's a point where your body gives
01:03:43| way it says no men's are done and you're like just keep pushing did you keep pushing something I think you could this is something this is a running fatboyron I haven't listened to Joe Rogan a long
01:03:54| time but I think that's Dave Goggins was his name is that he had some sort of like muscle pull that like would make most people in able to walk and he ran it on and won it with that muscle pull
01:04:09| based on his own will buddy listen to that guy speak because he I would define him as like clinically insane but also like a Navy SEAL who's the most driven person I've ever listened to like even
01:04:25| if his body was broken I feel like he would unbreak it so that he could succeed like he's crippled and it's like just get up and die why are you screaming it and it is that the body
01:04:35| gets up cuz it's like okay really his brain forces his body to listen to him yes that is a real thing it's it's wild that we got into as much brain and body as we did but that's I I really didn't
01:04:51| think we're getting there his end is is finding your your brains you see your body it's finding would you say in the beginning of the episode that we thought with me true I don't know if it did the
01:05:04| opposite of boredom or the same as portal what was it I don't know hmm never know yeah every what your 10 out of that one rewind put it in the VCR Oh
01:05:20| boredom is focusing on the outside things oh yeah Zen it's focusing on the inside trying to yeah kind of truck very true huh I think that's where we end it we have to yes I could talk about this
01:05:38| for another six hours we don't say anything we need 10,000 hours to get to reach then mm-hmm mastery so what do we talk about we talked about the origin of Buddhism we
01:05:49| talk about Hinduism Jainism hearth isn't mm-hmm Taoism we talk we literally discuss the subject on terrorism yes and now do you love the Taoist stuff like the whole you must seek the truth by
01:06:05| finding falsehoods or like whatever like that what do you want the tenants of Dallas informs I am good pull it up I just love when things that are like the only way to find the truth is to cut
01:06:20| through lies and it's like oh that's deep yeah Daoist thought focuses on genuineness longevity health immortality vitality woo a non-action a natural action a perfect equilibrium with dow
01:06:34| detachment a refinement emptiness spontaneity transformation and omni potentiality it's just a bunch of words it's like it's like it's like a grocery list
01:06:53| it's like pairs meat that's on sale sometimes seltzer water ginger ale do you have chips for the child as a oh that's a lot information you didn't write this down dude so yeah she'll have
01:07:05| that if I was gonna make a cult I would like to have like old like this ridiculous wish list this and this and health and servitude you're Santa building the ability to hunt deer and
01:07:17| it's like well we're doing you just put it in the middle wanna be able to shoot a compound bow it through her yard that's like wow that's part of your religion it's like yeah and moving
01:07:27| on Hinduism belief in belief in other people supporting the troops it's like whoa Jesus Christ still in the deer oh man I'll do then you gotta find your Zen dude you're gonna gonna meditate more
01:07:44| meditate and relax it's not relaxing though little different focus focus with relaxation weird odd strange interesting Eastern culture and time materialistic like it all just
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