The UnPanderers: Transcript PRED005 Child Sexual Abuse Neverland

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Transcript PRED005 Child Sexual Abuse Neverland


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Transcript of Episode 5 - Child Sexual Abuse Neverland
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00:00:03| [Music] all right so what we're going to talk about now um this is a predator's podcast we're talking about
00:00:16| people who get manipulated cajoled is that a word cajoled yeah i like cajoled they get tricked into whatever might happen to them something awful so
00:00:30| tonight the topic is child sex abuse and this actually stems from a movie that was very long involved michael jackson
00:00:45| it's called leaving neverland oh yeah yeah yeah and what are your feelings with michael jackson just to set up who he was
00:00:54| oh he definitely did it oh yeah oh no he certainly did oh okay okay does neverland actually admit it um so it becomes very creepy and obvious because he has like a new child every
00:01:07| year or so and then like these guys like pinpointed like the same traits that he would do so let's talk about like the circumstance so like michael jackson
00:01:18| was a child predator famous rich and famous a celebrity he was the biggest celebrity yeah he lost his childhood i think he was abused but i don't know
00:01:29| his backstory on that i think it's i think it's pretty like not not sexually but every other kind of abused yeah like he was poured out in every
00:01:39| other facet of his life so robin's childhood yeah and he was like one of the so it's very it's very obvious when you look at it in
00:01:53| retrospect but back then he was such a proponent for like children's happiness yeah he was just like wanted to give children like a better childhood because he lost
00:02:07| so his circumstances that you have this mega star or if you are like a fan it's someone you trust because they're in your living room they're on your tv
00:02:18| you're kind of familiar with them you're definitely familiar with them the james hadfield of metallica fame i was like hey hey hey i want to borrow your kid
00:02:29| today all right james i mean where you guys going monster truck rally he'd be like just going to borrow him for a week hey hey hey hey maybe like a whole week
00:02:40| and he was like we're just gonna be from metallica it's james i'd be like is he sleeping over your house what's this is kind of weird doesn't he like
00:02:48| popcorn every kid likes those things wine and a pepsi can put the point on me i think it's a different container but it kind of has
00:03:02| the same kind of like anyway drinking yeah so the uh the point i'm making is that like they're familiar so like familiar the root of that is family so a lot of
00:03:15| the child sex abuse that happens is someone that you know someone that you trust someone that's family because they really take your trust and [ __ ] all over it
00:03:24| they make you believe that the child is safe and they're protected and they're like you they're like another stranger could you
00:03:33| imagine strangers like hey just go watch a kid for a little while and be like oh yeah yeah no it has to be someone you trust like the michael jackson thing just oh
00:03:41| just leave him here just he'll come to my hotel room the crazy thing is it go around on a merry-go-round it's like uh why do you
00:03:50| sure feel like ponies uh stay they actually had like the families like go with him to the different locations like you don't like france and germany
00:04:01| and then like their hotel rooms would get farther and farther away so like he could like do more stuff with him i guess we'll get into it but
00:04:11| that's part of it is that like you're distancing the child from the parents and you're convincing everyone that everything's fine and at one point they went to visit
00:04:23| michael jackson at his ranch and they were on vacation and michael jackson just said oh you can go to the grand canyon i'll take care of him and the kid was like i
00:04:31| want to spend my week with michael jackson and they'd let him stay at the ranch for a week with michael jackson without ever really knowing it
00:04:41| i think they met him for four hours yeah so there's a weird element there that just you can't really believe it were they sort of getting paid for it
00:04:50| then like the vacation um so that is part of it i think it's very obvious that one of the families that was in that documentary leaving neverland
00:05:00| they got paid off for certain things i think it's almost like child prostitution at that point right like sort of but not yeah they can never admit to a record right right
00:05:10| and the other one was like she either was like completely oblivious or like blocked out of her mind i don't know as a parent since we're both parents i don't know how you could
00:05:19| be completely oblivious to you giving out protection over your child like my child will never spend a night at an adult's house that i don't know
00:05:29| a famous adult who suddenly wants to befriend your child yeah i'll teach him something he's not coming out with you [Laughter]
00:05:50| okay yeah that's part of the setup you make them happy it's joyful it's fun safe it's protected
00:05:59| um and then you distance them from their parents and that's when you execute you tell them that like oh they're gonna be in trouble
00:06:08| like and it's gonna it's gonna bring us both down it's like you need to protect me and then they do the sexual abuse and this is the part that i think i didn't
00:06:17| get until i watched that documentary is that the sexual abuse the child doesn't get it but the child still feels good because it feels good when someone touches your
00:06:27| penis but the child doesn't know what that is or what that means and they start to make a connection between that abuser and the good feeling and the abuser can tell them whatever
00:06:37| they want to hear at that moment well is is the other one also i don't know if you just touched on it isn't it if you tell anyone i'll kill your parents or like it'll hurt your parents
00:06:47| or don't get in trouble yeah that's that's heavy stuff especially for like that's like the john seven eight-year-old thing which wasn't really john coffee in the green mile
00:06:56| it was the other guy he was framed for but he said he kidnapped the two girls and they were twin sisters and he said i'm gonna do something to
00:07:04| your sister if you scream i'll kill her oh yeah and then you did the same to the other girl i said don't you love your sister like that's like the ultimate i guess
00:07:13| uses your own trust yeah and trust against you so it flips your world around so like a lot of these guys didn't realize they were abused until
00:07:23| they had their own children and then realized that they would never let their own children be abused in that way like they were freaking out because they
00:07:31| were seeing images of their own children being abused and they're just like i can't believe that happened to me how did it happen and i get all of a sudden like clicked in
00:07:40| their brains even though it only took them like mom dad you got a lot of splaining to do so their reactions were kind of like ricky ricardo yeah explaining
00:07:53| so you got a lot of they reacted finally after that period of time and they've freaked out it kind of like shatters what you believe
00:08:00| to be like love and affection because they genuinely loved him and they testified to make sure that other children who abused couldn't find him
00:08:10| guilty it messes with your love affection all that stuff because a lot of those people a um perpetuate the star not stereotype perpetuate the abuse it's like a
00:08:21| relationship thing like if you're if your girlfriend is almost about to leave you you feel like you want to keep her like no no no i want your attention give me your
00:08:30| attention oh you're calling me again oh i'd love to talk to you here's your dollar dollar commercial from the 2012's everyone
00:08:43| watching this in 2022. yeah uh i think that covers most of it the guilt comes out in that that uh that documentary and then preventing and
00:08:54| avoiding it the prevention how do you even how do you even spot it a hundred percent because it's in another so the the whole thing was that he was so
00:09:04| manipulative that he would know when people were coming so like his setup at the ranch was such that he had beds like everywhere like and they would like be positioned
00:09:14| in such a way that it would take a while to get to the bed or there was a door that was locked and then like they would knock on the door and be like oh i'm sorry
00:09:22| i didn't realize it was locked so like it disarms the person and then when they go in to see their kids no i wouldn't decide i'm sorry that door
00:09:30| was locked oh michael thought it was locked everyone guys mj thought it was locked oh michael that's fine you're famous but there's a misconception there so
00:09:40| like the parent would go in and the child would just be normal you know you'd ask the child like anything happened and she'd be like no because he was scared and then also
00:09:49| there's an idea that like rape or looks like something like sexual abuse looks like the kid's been beaten or like fought or like he's been like
00:09:59| strangled or something like something awful so like when a parent sees their child still happy and fully clothed and like nothing seems wrong they assume that
00:10:09| nothing happened to like yeah that makes sense it's disgusting isn't it this is gross yeah i talk about like like
00:10:18| squeezing feces with my hand that's like a joke like if you're playing it on a cop and the cop was like what are you doing i'll be like grabbing horse turds like that's funny to me
00:10:26| this yeah this is serious [ __ ] so it's it's it's [ __ ] up beyond belief because the kid doesn't know and the only way to really i guess get the kid
00:10:37| to talk about it is to make sure that they're willing to talk about anything and then also don't let them be st be in the like possession of others others that
00:10:48| you don't trust oh they can't don't let them don't let them stay the night field house yeah sandman that's what the story's about is
00:10:57| entering the sandman james can i talk to my kid so this is like helicopter parent like be a helicopter parent protect your kid always watch them i guess that's
00:11:10| i don't know what else you would do get any ideas nick no because you can't do that it has nothing to do with that i think it just has to do with putting them in
00:11:18| weird situations and red flag up if you have a red flag be like yo let me check this out i think also there's like a level of protection that
00:11:27| parents do for their children that they call like penises pps and stuff but i think that's a mistake i think you should just call it a penis and like don't put a stigma on it like
00:11:38| let them be able to talk about it and not be afraid of like even though it's not like sexuality whatever it is at that age let them be able to be like he did this
00:11:47| to me like that's what happened this is factual like there's no guilt associated with it he used his hand on my penis and i'd be like okay and you'd be like then he had to use another
00:11:56| hand and then he had to use another hand i'd be like that's my boy but anyway [Laughter] stop joking sex abuse is not a joke
00:12:10| yeah but um this is clearly my son at like age 15 or something yeah and then michael jackson also had like a tar he targeted certain people and he did it repeatedly so he did it
00:12:21| multiple times so he knew how to game the system and how to like cherry pick the people that he was going to do it to anyone who does this a serial killer a cereal rapist a serial
00:12:30| child molester a cereal or anything you just you get a pattern i guess and then you keep going after the pattern yeah practice makes perfect what was this
00:12:37| what was his type i don't even even know it was like seven to like 10 years old boys who could dance from what i could tell wow weird because he'd like bring them
00:12:50| up on stage and they dance next to him and then if they were good they were into it then he would like teach them dance moves reminded of him at that age and then
00:12:59| must yeah must have had stuck with his mind and it was like weird because he would like phase them out and like pit them against each other so he'd be like
00:13:08| oh jimmy's my favorite now go you go sleep on the couch and then like you're like oh no i don't i wouldn't i hate jimmy i want to be next to michael so it'd be
00:13:17| like it'd be really messed up and like as they like became teenagers they became more difficult and i guess michael didn't want to deal with the difficulty of like
00:13:26| teenage emotions and actual sexuality angst yeah weird strange really talks about this one either the uh mitch hedberg no the moonwalk is one of the best dance
00:13:38| moves of all time like everyone pretends to imitate it but have you ever seen someone do one in real life i know how to do it i can't do it like i
00:13:47| know all the stuff just because he's so smooth oh my god he's smooth good lord if you just google how to moonwalk like it's pretty
00:13:56| it's pretty easy you push off your body physically yeah it's like reverse walking you just lift your toe and then slide it backwards
00:14:03| and then lift your other toe and slide it backwards but you you have to do it like in unison while moving backwards and you can lean forward or lean backwards while you're
00:14:12| doing it he's incredible he's good he's the best dancer of all time he revolutionized dance he's just a few kids [ __ ] it up so mitch hedberg joke i think you want to
00:14:23| make it no i which one um it's like it's okay if you say that you really love kids but when you specify an age you're getting in trouble when you specify an
00:14:33| age man i love kids man i love seven-year-olds [Laughter] all right yes that that that's true yeah i think that
00:14:47| completes our episode for predators here unless you have something well and something to do we should we should probably say like you should contact someone if you think someone's yeah
00:14:56| obviously i mean these are simple things but like you imagine watching the episode and be like i think i know someone i'll just leave it at that
00:15:04| you should obviously contact someone if you really really know really really know or even have suspicions you should cut that person out of their
00:15:11| life because when you challenge the person who's doing this they could be harmful to you but if you try to cut them out they'll react more harshly to try to like bring you
00:15:20| back in and then i think you know there's a point where michael was like i always get what i want like when the the parent was like i'm gonna take him and then he's like he's like no no i
00:15:29| want him to stay like it becomes very obvious that that person's attached to your child in some weird way so i think at that point you just probably isolating that person
00:15:37| from your life is probably the best choice so this came up before and real quick hit um the guy who used to sell [ __ ] uh-huh right
00:15:47| they get mad like 380 pounds and you know bicycle yeah you've hurt around on his bicycle and would come by the kids at their summer camp
00:15:56| and sell them [ __ ] out of a bag for about a quarter you gotta pay the toll whatever but he would sell it to everybody and like he would have little knickknacks for the
00:16:05| kids all the parents it didn't occur to me then but like we're like watch your sister around him don't talk to him don't go anywhere with the gift man i'd
00:16:13| be like who knows this guy's a loser like he's just selling [ __ ] like you know what i mean did the child uh not the child the sex abuse uh list
00:16:21| registry sex offender list that i don't know if that existed back then i guess you could check that list because the person's not gonna be
00:16:28| michael jackson didn't exist it might be an offender already yeah i don't know and just because he isn't on the list doesn't mean he isn't so yeah but like it occurred to me later
00:16:39| in life um the people my parents were like this person could be a sexual offender yeah they knew it because they were aware well even if he
00:16:49| wasn't just like weird to watch him around this one well as an adult sounds so cool you're like no but even just meeting random people i
00:16:59| feel like you can tell immediately where they kind of are and if they're being fake like if they're saying things that are disingenuous you can kind of feel it
00:17:08| like you can tell that they don't really mean it so like if they're trying to trick you in some fashion like just distance yourself from that person
00:17:15| they're weird okay but that's just weird people in general who lie about weird stuff yeah but i think it feeds into the same profile predators

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