Transcript of Episode 146 - Orphans
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00:00:06| what would you do if you were alone growing up trying to figure out the world he had no guidance what if he had no mentor no father figure no grandmom no grandpa
00:00:16| no uncles or ants to guide you how would you navigate the world how would you learn how do you fix a sink or buy some stock who knows
00:00:30| how would you know what to do would you succeed excel would you pull yourself up by your bootstraps or would you be [ __ ] so i'm dan and i'm nick folks we're old
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00:01:18| follicles pretty big [Music] oh well i'm dan there's nick right there i see him i see him right there uh in the video you can see me oh yeah amazing
00:01:41| technology's incredible everyone is incredible for what you are nick everyone knows the truth well as you'll notice i have extra furniture in here yeah you've become
00:01:52| endowed is that the right uh we're trans i'm transitioning okay and we're the unpanderers and one with us on the journey transitioning my computer workspace
00:02:06| but i don't think it's going to work so we're going to turn it into a dresser nice we're close yeah that's great when i transition are you you're not an orphan
00:02:18| i don't think i am not nor have i ever been an orphan are you no do you know when have you ever been no never i'll never be until i'm a much older hopefully
00:02:33| maybe no you can't be an orphan if you're older right now you're over 18. older than 18. that is correct they're gonna have some wiki definitions here but that's just
00:02:41| got him the uh i do know an orphan my father-in-law yeah well he's not an orphan anymore but he was an orphan uh he might still be
00:02:54| he's he's just progressed past age 16 in his mind so we're going to say he's still an orphan technically is he normal what is an orphan yeah no
00:03:06| not at all but that's i don't think it has to do with the orphan thing we'll get into that honestly so an orphan someone who lately i think 2015 they changed the
00:03:20| rule unicef made their definition now you can only have i've lost one parent to still be an orphan be half orphan but it's still considered an orphan
00:03:30| there it's called a double orphan or double double enemy or those who've lost both parents do you know what the numbers were it was
00:03:39| like some like in certain countries that are war torn or have a bunch of aids loads of aids loads of some of them this is actually a really big part of it it is yeah it's
00:03:49| surprising there's this is the saddest topic that i started on and by the end i was like this is going to be awesome so well it's going to be this it's going
00:03:57| to be a journey but yeah in certain african countries it's like 11 of the children in that country are orphans yeah it's the um
00:04:10| double orphans are those okay 15.1 million of orphans are double orphans the bigger number single parent organs if you added that population it's the
00:04:24| ninth largest population in the world if you went by country yeah it would be like right behind russia i saw this back then i was like damn orphans
00:04:32| if they were collected in their numbers and sheer strength of power would make up a country bigger like as big as russia that's insane to me that's
00:04:44| massive yeah how do you think what you do if you were an orphan terrible terribly actually okay i don't know well i don't know here's the question then what part of me
00:04:57| my personality and stuff and how i deal with situations is from my parents nature versus then yes so i don't know i mean i think i would
00:05:05| do great but that's because i was raised by my parents what did you do as an orphan i do great my parents raised me perfect like i don't know that was the last time
00:05:14| you saw an orphanage i don't know that i've ever seen an orphanage it's because i don't think they exist anymore in the united states not in the form that we like think of as
00:05:24| a movie a house yeah a house with a bunch of kids in it that are just left to their own it's all like custody and all that stuff right like uh
00:05:35| yep yeah the united states i believe actually i can tell you york city damn that's crazy kids or just homeless kids under 18. 30 how many 30 thousand
00:05:51| three thousand yeah but um oh this is about oh adoption safe families act so apparently a big deal happened in adoption and safe families act it was
00:06:06| solidified yeah it solidified the way that we deal with the children and put the care of the child and and the foremost so it it made it so that instead of like
00:06:15| having to deal with these goddamn orphan children it was more like we should care about these children because they're important people well and then they they're only certain
00:06:23| families can get them in the foster care system you put that it's like act now oh you'll have 20 minutes act to get you orphaned it's not like it's not like they can do
00:06:35| it to anyone like hey hey jimmy i know you guys are doing good over here you got three kids we're giving you an extra why it's like he's an orphan we need you to foster
00:06:45| listen this is from higher up you got to take him i don't want another kid he's tiny he'll fit in the cupboard he's tired he's good he's good he's in that dresser back there it's
00:06:55| okay do you know what a foster family gets paid to have a kid i do not know this this is interesting no i didn't find it different state by state and i didn't do enough digging but
00:07:06| it was like different state by state i think i think it's state-based even states have a few different rules i think there's like a unifying rule
00:07:13| that holds them all together you can look it up but um even every country deals with their orphans differently we're going to deal most with the united
00:07:20| states but uh oh times 300 what's that 350 what's that uh i don't know but i don't know for an additional let me tell you that 150 for clothing
00:07:33| wait wait wait wait multiple wait it's actually keyboards i'm typing here i'm typing oh good eight thousand dollars a year
00:07:46| to how i was a kid that sounds great sounds terrible it depends where you live this so this is like um what the hell they do like uh uh
00:07:57| no i forget where this corpus christi apparently if you have so like you get tax credits for having children or you used to anyway
00:08:04| so like there used to be people who would say oh this is a mathematical the geniuses this is terrible there's a mathematical formula to like how many kids you can have before the
00:08:15| kids take care of you so like people would have like eight kids so they can get like three thousand dollars in like tax credits back so that they could have twenty four
00:08:24| thousand dollars a year essentially and then like if you hit a certain poverty level they like give you more money because you're like disadvantaged so like you balance
00:08:32| your children between like your own well-being and then you don't have to do anything you're interested you just exist so there is there's a sweet spot
00:08:39| is that what you're saying probably there's a sweet spot for these foster care families too not that they're all there there's probably a bad one in there i haven't
00:08:46| found it yet but you know most these people are probably good because taking in an orphan is probably challenging
00:08:53| in a lot of it's weird like orphans are also like the butt of jokes like you're an orphan you're adopted you're foster you're this like you're i'm batman
00:09:02| what's that i'm batman batman was technically a double orphan yes it was shout out batman the original d-o as we call the vos um what was i going to say about
00:09:15| it though foster family getting paid money corpus christi they are no it was about um just orphans in general where do we get the
00:09:25| notion because like i think of orphans different as a kid than i do now and i think most of my orphan ideas were shaped by like fievel does that make sense was bible
00:09:36| he was an orphan for a short period of time because his family was back in new york and he set off down the raft to go find fame and fortune in the west i think he
00:09:47| was to find no there's an even sadder one that five will goes west that's five looks west that sounds awesome five of the original was like his
00:09:54| parents were from europe i think they were russian or like croatian or i don't even know and they sent him to america in like this bottle it was all real sad
00:10:03| and i remember i feel like he had run-ins with the orphanage like that's where he stayed i feel like with other young people and i feel like
00:10:12| that's what orphanages were and like i mentioned how my stepfather in quotes he was an orphan he um was orphaned in the philadelphia system
00:10:25| and he was a bad egg if i may say so myself he was kicked out of three different orphanages uh he was tried to give foster homes and
00:10:34| he none of them stuck and he was big into sex drugs rock and roll that kind of that kind of stuff being a rebel driving
00:10:45| his motorcycle getting in an accident like doing all sorts of wild and crazy stuff that was reckless no and this is going to sound weird because
00:10:55| he'll never hear this but maybe he will but like he's a hearty guy he wears his heart on his sleeve he's like outspoken he will say anything to anyone
00:11:07| he will be nice to anyone he will be mean to anyone he will speak his mind he will he's the loudest person you've ever met if i hear him at a grocery store
00:11:17| three townships away where i didn't know he was i know it's him i just hear his voice and i go huh it's fat head like you can find him he's very there's something about him that's very
00:11:27| loud he's very vocal very extreme anything he believes in he believes in ten thousand percent and maybe it's because of the whole orphan thing
00:11:40| which i'm not getting into psychology but like no one hear his voice he had to make his own voice yeah let's it's like if you're left alone by yourself you pretty much have to create
00:11:50| your own identity while other people are all all around you so i watched a documentary on like this guy growing up in a romanian orphanage and it was pretty
00:11:58| much that like instead of like a jail in a cell like the cribs were the cells like these children would grow from babies to like
00:12:07| toddlers and they'd still be in the same bed and they would just be unattended like they would just be like staying stay in your cell and just exist and
00:12:17| i don't know how anybody will yeah how many man hours do you spend with your damn kid and i say damn because it's a lot of damn hours like too many games recently
00:12:28| it's like it's like maybe like 14 hours a day that's ridiculous and now you go from 14 hours to borderline maybe an hour well let's say
00:12:38| an hour if there's a caretaker like there's yeah the ones i've seen like there are beds probably like you know like a dozen or two dozen beds in a
00:12:46| single room in a room and there's probably like like a real long one or a huge room right yeah a giant bunk beds probably no one sleeps because it's probably constantly making
00:12:55| noise and then the people who are in there like it's not just like oh you lost your family there are people in there because of like
00:13:02| war they might be like disabled in some way they might be like mentally disabled another way and like i'm pretty sure that like not the orphanage orphans are awful
00:13:14| teetering on the pc on pc side of it but like i'm sure a lot of the orphans are not well adjusted and you got to deal with like what i dealt with as a kid like the the
00:13:25| town bully or the school bully was probably super tame compared to like most of the kids that are in orphanages right so there's tons of borderline personality disorders there's tons of
00:13:38| mentally not quite right people there's there's tons of people who have to bully there's people who are injured mentally psychologically like there's
00:13:50| a whole mix of stuff and there's not a lot of parents or adults to kind of separate at all or like make sure that everyone's okay or people get care who cares about the emotional
00:13:59| welfare of a child in an orphanage like i don't i don't know and they probably have therapy now but it seems like back then maybe they don't even care that's even pushing it now
00:14:08| and then it's even like there's like a stockholm syndrome piece of it too that this guy that they followed in the romanian orphanage he was adopted into another family and even
00:14:16| when he was with the family it was like not normal for him he was like writing letters to the orphanage saying like bring me back because i'm not like i can't i can't live in this system
00:14:26| where it's like a family home and i don't have people around me all the time it's a little bit like the uh the crooks wanting to go back to prison yeah
00:14:35| exactly shawshank redemption a little bit like you're not you're not adjusted enough to be in an adjusted world brooks there's it's brooks oh i said
00:14:46| crooks it rhymes it counts class it still yeah it still counts it does count crooks in the phrase it rhymes it counts so with orphans like that the conditions
00:15:00| were never good being an orphan is never good to begin with like you don't want that situation and then on top of that it's all compounded it's all
00:15:07| like you could probably find a million books or youtube videos or ted talks about how the foster system is a failure the foster care system is a forest
00:15:18| foster care system is a it's not good probably correct i don't know enough about it personally i don't go in and check these houses but even
00:15:28| in movies depicted in movies foster care parents are like jackasses or like kind of terrible people in movies not necessarily in real life but there are
00:15:37| people who are preying on the system maybe using it for money maybe just picking up the kid or whatever but it's it's weird because it's not
00:15:45| your kid it's it's hard to like what we just said you're not gonna spend 14 hours a day with someone and you might but there's a biological disconnect
00:15:56| because even even the kids that are growing growing up in a foster care system even from a very young age they're aware that the people that they're living with are
00:16:04| not of their tribe so like the cortisol and stress levels of an orphan are much higher than a a regular kid or like a biological child so they're
00:16:15| like they're more compromised uh their immune system is compromised and it's harder for them to learn so they're disadvantaged from a biological standpoint that
00:16:24| they put in a system that they like they already feel stressed out about that is that it's wild and i guess there's no there's no easy answer you can't reunite them with their
00:16:33| parents if they're dead or aids or they're gone or whatever and they gave them up just like is that considered orphan yeah yeah so okay it said both parents dead but i
00:16:46| guess i've given up rights to entirely counts yeah as an orphan yeah okay i wasn't sure so like here's the crazy thing so so we're old
00:16:57| enough what was an orphan if it was given up like what happens what's the old story this is this yeah this is i don't know what movie this is from but they put it
00:17:04| in a little bassinet and it's probably biblical yeah and where does it go down the river it lands on someone's doorstep and then the nun
00:17:11| whips it until it's happy our generation come on man where do they go where do they go they go to that giant like oh dude a fire station oh fire station which one is this what
00:17:23| movie is this you don't know that so hold on if a lady's giving up her baby and she can't raise it she puts it in a straw basket and puts
00:17:30| it outside of a fire station oh i thought she flew to chicago and then she performed a legitimate operation and then got rid of it so here she's good no i thought it was dumpster
00:17:40| and a dumpster baby uh that is a thing but i think that's more like attempted abortions isn't it yeah but sometimes they survive and then they become like iron man or
00:17:51| someone someone no one no dumpster babies iron man dude well tell me that hey hey boots drops here bootstraps bootstraps all the way to the top no iron man had rich famous parents he's
00:18:03| actually white privilege he was just emotionally disconnected he's an emotional emotional orphan let's not discount those emotions there are several dozen million of those
00:18:18| so we're gonna go next i don't know the beginning we didn't so like the reason that like a lot of these orphanages were were generated because of war and it's
00:18:26| like we kind of touched on like why people become orphans but not like why the system was generated so like way back when i think sometime in the 19 i would say like 1930s
00:18:40| in the depression era like these orphaned children like you would think they would have some place to go but back then they didn't
00:18:47| so they would like go out away from the cities and like form these like little like orphan camps and they'd be like yeah yeah they'd be like feral children so like
00:18:57| i imagine that these rich people would drive into the country and they'd see these packs of children and go like what the hell is out here and they're like we have to deal with
00:19:06| this like this is absurd and eventually they formed like an association to bring them together into these orphanages to find a place to put them because they can't have
00:19:14| packs of feral children just roaming the streets and into the hillsides survive oh that's a good one that's a good one lord of the flies
00:19:24| well i was just yeah i mean like so that was like the course of like five weeks wasn't it so piggy and ralph and the conch and everything and then like they were all
00:19:34| one of them died piggy got thrown off the edge spoiler alert lord of the flies version you better uh rewind this 10 seconds and you know hit mute but yeah if you're
00:19:46| older than 16 you have not been forced to read it in an english class or you can't read sorry orphans or federal children yeah so that's a fictional version do
00:19:59| you know there's a real version of that no is there is it yeah which one which one came first uh i think they came about i think the lord of the flies came before
00:20:09| so there's a tongan wait a fiction came out and then a real live version of the flies which is wild i thought it was like 1960 36. you see how i said 36
00:20:21| yeah you're probably closer probably 56. oh book oh boy i have to search i have to search william golding 1954 yeah william golding william golding 224 pages
00:20:35| that sounds quick quick read quick read so i got the conch i got the conch i got the couch sucks to your ass more so the tongan version is that there were six teenagers
00:20:50| ages 13 through 16 who decided that they wanted to go uh sail to fiji because they were tired of their existing lives so they got on a boat
00:21:00| they didn't like their parents yeah rebels they uh they stole somebody a fisherman's boat and when they set sail nighttime hit and they all fell asleep
00:21:11| and when they woke up they didn't know where they were and there was a storm and they uh they tried to i guess fix their utter or like pull the sails
00:21:21| and those things broke so they were floating in the ocean for eight days and they hit this island a massive island that uh looked like a giant doorstop
00:21:32| jutting out of the ocean and they ended up living there for 15 months and this is real right yeah the reason they were able to live there is because of a the culture of the
00:21:43| tongan people is like you know make sure that you don't kill your own people like be courteous and stuff in all situations and they're pretty hardy
00:21:50| and then be like there had been settlements there before so like there was some food and like chickens and they were able to actually like you know fish because they had that in
00:22:00| their culture so they were able to like build a little society and even when one of them broke their leg they were able to like
00:22:08| support that person even though they couldn't do anything to survive plus those guys were specimens they were beasts like they looked like they were like 18 year olds
00:22:18| that's like when they were like 14. i don't know if it was afterwards but they were jacked i was like man look at these tongues not malnourished
00:22:28| those lucky boys if anyone if anyone has a picture and can send to my associate dance i really would like a picture of those boys in their prime
00:22:38| they just want to say he got sweaty under the collar no he's smiling ear to ear that's so inappropriate nick how dare you
00:22:51| anyway tongan boys sign up but but incredible though it is i don't know it's weird i feel like um anyone under 10 i feel like can't really survive on their own in the wild
00:23:06| i know there's going to be stories of like an eight-year-old that did this or seven-year-old that found food and water but by the time you're double digit age maybe single digit age i'm not buying it
00:23:19| and if you do it's a freak occurrence it's not normal if i left any other eight-year-old outside in the woods they're dead okay so i guess i love the wikipedia
00:23:28| article on feral children or feral child have you read this why does it have a link no i have not like i was reading through it normally like i would a normal article and then i
00:23:37| started reading like uh all of these young children that like under age five like they're raised by a certain animal yeah so like it was like the first
00:23:48| things i read like marina chapman she claimed to have lived with a weeper chapuchin monkeys in the colombian jungle from five to nine
00:23:57| and it's like the animals the monkeys they take care of the child like it's their own so they feed and like make sure they're protected and they will
00:24:07| fight for the child and like like crazy mammalian like biology says like well we have to protect our own it's like our own as like a was it species it's not even species
00:24:17| it's like what is the level at which like we fit in the same category as monkeys it's crazy uh genus species class anyway one of those things soulful order
00:24:31| we don't know science folks anyway when i was reading this article i missed that i was like i was like okay so we can be raised by monkeys and i scroll down it's like
00:24:38| and all the children that were raised by wolves and all the children that were raised by dogs raised by bears raised by sheep raised by cattle raised by goats raised by
00:24:46| ostriches and i'm like what ostriches ostrich boy sir dude he was in the sahara desert at the age of two going to [ __ ] from age
00:25:01| ostriches hold on this is literally blowing my mind because i don't believe it there's something wrong here yeah an uh ostrich family astray what's
00:25:12| plural of ostrich ostriches it's gotta be something cool oh that's boring what's a what's your like ostrich a pack what it's like a group of ostrich a
00:25:21| gaggle of austria let's see here it's called a herd that's boring too either way i think it would make i make fun of the [ __ ] of that kid
00:25:32| yo ostrich boy yo your mom's legs for days like you know what i mean yeah that's good take a look at those talents but um yo
00:25:43| is that a feather duster that's your mom's ass so it's it's kind of like bizarre that like certain children
00:25:54| like a that animals will take care of children and be like the children that are actually raised so there's one story of a of a girl who
00:26:04| actually had a family had a home had a house but her family neglected her so much that she would spend time in the kennel with her dogs and instead of learning
00:26:14| english because the parents just didn't speak to the child she learned to like bark and growl and that occurred that was her main form of communication
00:26:22| so like if you tried to talk to the girl like her first it like her first desire was to like bark and growl at you rather than try to speak to you
00:26:31| so like her development was completely delayed until she was like in her teens and then she started to actually learn english you're bringing her up dude this is the
00:26:43| funniest thing so anyone who's taken any classes in psychology any college courses any high school classes oxana jeannie
00:26:55| and she was a telepath and could lift chairs with her mind no good lord the one who was raised by uh fictitious parents no her parents were
00:27:07| like kind of bad parents people say she was chained to a toilet and had like she lived in a room so no one discovered her until she was 13. no one ever talked to her no one ever
00:27:20| really i don't know once in a while her dad would beat her with a baseball bat if she ever made noise so she was never spoken to and she never
00:27:27| spoke she didn't know any language she didn't know anything no one talked to her she just lived chained in this room anyway uh it's like the biggest
00:27:37| psychological breakthrough like can someone learn language afterwards what innate abilities do humans have if they don't interact with other humans essentially
00:27:46| right yeah they become targeted the whole thing was that a little bit yeah now she never was normal at all like um language areas of brain or divided
00:27:55| she was never fully able to to be able to learn to speak uh if you're fluent in one language you can learn another she never really became fluent in anything
00:28:04| so so your brain forms in a certain way that's like unbreakable and then like you also lose like pieces of emotion and pieces of like
00:28:12| society that you just can't learn uh she was like everyone was so hot for jeannie because like she was she was perfect we could do all
00:28:21| psychological experiences she didn't have a queen did she that would have made it not that would have been oh my god like oh wait a second huh would it have
00:28:32| been cooler if they were raised separately in complete isolation and one was like french so um yeah it's just weird stuff but it
00:28:46| was it federal children she's like the grandfather of feral children i'm trying to see if she died born 1957. locked room ah it doesn't say she's
00:29:01| her identity was hidden her identity was hidden because of so many people that were like hey can i study you and she was just like i can't tell you no really is that what
00:29:10| they did they did that yeah i think that makes sense i mean the people who originally studied here kept her under wraps put her back in the basement
00:29:19| completely cut off where she wanted to be attached to a toilet right where she needed to be poor g lord or jamie anyway i think
00:29:29| there's a level of something that you have to get in your you i mean development that's pretty obvious your body's developing your mind
00:29:39| and everything else has to too and i think what we get from this whole orphan thing from federal children thing from all of these things is that you do
00:29:47| need you need feedback you need input you need mentors as you mentioned the beginning you need you need guideposts you can't just wander around this ocean
00:29:57| alone so i don't know i guess some orphans figure it out some don't some feral children survive with ostriches some don't like what is that
00:30:07| so the stats for like a a i guess a well-adjusted orphan or something like only like in comparison like a normal person like
00:30:18| of the orphans that graduate it's like crimes like if like orphan versus normal person it's like you're you're much more likely to commit a crime if you're an orphan
00:30:30| because of whatever reason like you're missing i mean you're also are you you're probably living a pretty pover
00:30:37| poverty yeah and if you want something you really can't afford it how are you going to get it i mean you have to steal it or true do something yes right yeah so
00:30:47| gotta spew the stats how did your uh your relative overcome orphan orphan re he for as much as he's abrasive loud and extremely noticeable and unique
00:31:06| those things often enamor themselves to other people like it's a real quality so he is yeah he's one of the more unique people you are ever you will ever meet
00:31:17| he's strong not just in will physically emotionally mentally tongan 15 year old right yeah he does he does
00:31:26| i'll send you pictures later he uh he's he knows what he wants in life and he sort of goes towards it right now he's an entrepreneur he makes uh stuffed cherry peppers
00:31:40| like and does them and like people know him from it's a stuffed cherry pepper you know if you go um into a bar and you order a pepper shooter no i've never ordered a pepper shooter
00:31:54| you ever have a pepper that's filled with cheese and meat and you can eat it okay yeah okay that's a pepper shooter shooter's usually dub my machine he does all his
00:32:02| handmade he buys um cherry peppers he course them what he has his people call them he buys extremely expensive meat and cheese burjut
00:32:14| and sharp provolone stuff some he has a special oil he's made that's like spicy and when you eat his stuffed cherry peppers they are actually i'm not gonna lie i'm
00:32:25| not prejudiced because i would say they suck they're the best stuffed cherry peppers i've ever had in my life they're also like 18 a jar for like 12
00:32:34| peppers not a jar of them yeah oh he makes them in a jar with the oil and everything and he hawks them and sells them and he sells them to
00:32:43| supermarkets he sells them to vfws he sells them to bars he sells them to restaurants he sells them everywhere do you just pop them right out of the jar in your mouth or you heat them up
00:32:52| first oh my god no you pop them around the jar you pop those bad boys the issue is if you have more than three or four in a night your butt hole will
00:33:03| burn like a mother the next day i love that but yeah you can use you can use the oil and everything too you can cook with it and do all this [ __ ] and like whatever
00:33:11| like he has his expressions like i've worked with him where he's selling the product that like pepper shows you don't even know a pepper show is a thing oh pepper show is a thing where hundreds
00:33:20| of tents filled with different kinds of peppers pepper shooters stuffed peppers pepper jelly pepper this all line up and people walk up and down
00:33:29| and buy stuff and you have to yell and he is louder than anyone else who works any of these tents and more interesting he says hey brother what the [ __ ]
00:33:39| going on to a stranger the stranger goes and everyone else is just quietly waiting by this thing he goes get the [ __ ] over here you need a meal
00:33:48| oh where's your skinny bro bring her over and then he says listen i got these hand stuffed in america with meats and cheeses imported or what
00:33:59| does he say all the meats from italy just like my kid or something like that he has all these expressions and stuff
00:34:08| bottom line is he is is that what he did straight straight out of the orphanage like he no he's he's had different jobs with a township
00:34:18| where i believe he told his boss to f off and punched him oh interesting lost his job there now he's very he has tendencies he's short-tempered
00:34:28| yes maybe because of the orphanage thing i have no idea it's also who he is but you you have to definitively go in one direction or the other i feel like
00:34:39| so maybe that's what he's done yeah that's a good story and in a way he's self made in business he's owner of the company he makes his own stuff
00:34:51| prints his own labels make sure everything's fda whatever he kind of had to be self-made as a person yeah right i mean he didn't have parents
00:35:01| that were there to guide him and make him do x y z so it makes sense um there's a lot of people who fall into the trap of their parents
00:35:11| right like they live the life their parents gave them they are waiting for mommy and daddy to cuddle them never like orphans will never orphans
00:35:21| will never be that so as much as they're disadvantaged in so many ways of life they also make or break they will they will find their way they will find
00:35:32| their what would you call it though mentored mentorship someone to follow someone to guide them i don't know i don't know if they'll find that i think they have to
00:35:41| find their own voice and then just follow their voice there's also you don't you don't create from nothing you always kind of have heroes or
00:35:49| something which is interesting which is strange do orphans get to pick their their parents in a way that's kind of sad and joyous at the
00:36:01| same time of course cartoons cartoon heroes or mostly orphans or something maybe i don't know man maybe what if you like tony robbins and his motivational speech
00:36:12| like and you guide your life after it if you wanted like that's your father figure things influence you right because they have to i don't know so what would you do if you
00:36:27| i was like if you were telling you but it would be like if whatever would you do what would you do if your child became an orphan like are you preparing for that event are you
00:36:36| trying to prevent it you like creating a structure so that like bennett like hell booty's a mommy's boy and a daddy's boy he's both so this is most this is the scenario
00:36:46| that most people don't realize like even i am my son would die on that island be eaten by a squid or something giant scrooge
00:36:58| minecraft a minecraft squid would eat my son but like i'm super prepared like most people say like you have a will you have to like put your
00:37:08| child's guardians in it and they have to like direct money at wherever they need to be but like right we didn't even touch on that weird stuff where like
00:37:15| if your aunt and uncle live too far away and everything else like that they can make them an orphan right you both die yeah like i don't we're as well that's right if your
00:37:23| grandparents aren't around let's say i i assume they're grandparents i think it's probably very state of the state but i think if it's like just your aunt they might not be able to just say hey i
00:37:33| want legal custody like it doesn't work like that well they have to determine which family is the most fit to have you and mostly it's a
00:37:39| close relative they say that most orphans are actually living with a relative that is like you know okay they will do that okay i didn't know if it's extended family
00:37:48| like if it's an ant in a different state i feel like they're just like hey we're going to put you in foster care because you hardly have interaction with that aunt or do they usually say hey it's up
00:37:56| to you aunt or how does that work i'm kind of curious at this time i'm curious as well because both parents die they live in pennsylvania right kids now an orphan
00:38:06| just happened suddenly no one had a will ready we weren't no one expected this he's six years old do they go hey he has an aunt in texas um are we gonna call her up they visit
00:38:17| once a year you know they see each other it's not like they're strangers but they don't really talk every day they don't know who the heck she is particularly she has her own three kids
00:38:24| she's not ready to take a new mouth to feed do they hey don't live with your aunt or do they foster care i know if that's defined by the court
00:38:34| it doesn't say okay i'm sure there's a bunch of factors in there case by case yeah case by case probably weird so like do you do anything to prevent
00:38:43| that like if you oh if you were wiped off the face of the planet what what would who would you want do you have like a sister
00:38:54| or you'd say go to your parents or my parents i mean they raised me and i feel like it helped make me who i was and i think that they would be you know
00:39:04| just comfortable with uh no but no but i'm thinking of right now because i have two sisters but they have their own kids that are the same age
00:39:11| yeah so they're dealing with their own families it would really neglect them yeah maybe no no i don't think they would neglect them i think it would throw a whole
00:39:20| monkey wrench into their into their own lives and their kids and it would raise the kid who was your cousin as your brother your cousin here as your new sister like it
00:39:30| would be like alabama yeah but i think god willing my parents are still alive and they were still the ageist now i'd want
00:39:41| to go to like my parents or something and be like because a now they don't have kids that are getting in the way so they can focus their entire attention on my son
00:39:49| and they have financial means and and they know me from raising me as a kid the most so it's like they can pass on whatever they passed on to me and
00:40:00| you know kind of carry on what i tried to do for my kid does that make sense yeah so there's a piece there though yeah i actually i have like a semi will but it's not
00:40:10| finished in any way it's not finalized it's not like wait did you sign it i think we signed a version but then it was like italians think signing of those bad luck
00:40:18| i didn't want to bring that up on the podcast but i just did oh a long time ago um so i named my sister because i felt like she was most
00:40:31| qualified and i feel like my parents like even though they probably are would be good role models they're becoming old and antiquated parents feel older than mine is that weird my
00:40:43| parents are 30 years older than me so they're like or 22 or 21. i think that makes a significant difference oh it does it does because i don't know
00:40:54| that they'd be physically capable to take care of a child in like five to ten years right right right i i see what you're saying yeah and my bad my all this whatever not
00:41:04| to be mean they could all of you if god forbid anything happens and everyone's watching this video all of my sisters all my parents
00:41:13| everyone's welcome to watch my kid if i'm deceased like i'm not against that we're more or less thinking what's the best fit yeah best choice and i'll put it on record then we have
00:41:22| discussed this with my wife and i and my sister is the one that we would like and they know that we told them that makes sense dude makes total sense the weird thing is that you
00:41:31| haven't thought about it and you haven't talked to ange about it you're your significant other i should have god you say your name i don't give a damn
00:41:38| everyone will know oh my god everyone will know okay so like having that conversation of like who's best like like you're eventually you know
00:41:48| that your side of the family is bad family yeah exactly right so she didn't mention her family and my father-in-law who was an orphan right yeah um she would probably say her
00:41:59| parents actually she might say her sister who we live with but that's weird too because she's single and i don't think that's bad it's just
00:42:08| like it's it's harder to it would be the easiest transition for your son but you don't believe it would be the best option for your son uh i'm not even that
00:42:18| just she's one person i think two people just makes it so much better because you split the load the time there's more you're tired of them diversity get rid
00:42:28| of them well because one if one person raises you you're really looking at one set of ideals i almost think that the brain
00:42:35| people that have differing ideals and kind of hate each other nick's parents gives you gives you options no not my parents you you and your own your own parents
00:42:46| your own son's parents and my good son's parents anyway it gives you it gives you more options so that like you can pick and choose like oh i do
00:42:55| agree with this part of my mom i do agree with this part of my dad yeah i do agree with this i see how they're different and i don't agree strictly with one versus the other and
00:43:03| you see the interplay between the two yes of course the fun enterprise which is like dealing with the society and social interactions makes it so that you understand both sides
00:43:15| yeah i was well there's a political element to this that i was like i just realized now i was like we could go into that but i don't know we want to no he's going to avoid it let's wrap
00:43:25| this episode up it's kind of early or late around yeah well some of us have to determinate no we okay we can keep this one short
00:43:36| and nice and tight and nice and i didn't have i didn't have more facts on orphans i mean we talked about the adoption
00:43:46| act let me see here we go there was one more thing i wanted to talk about oh um the united states i wanted to see how that worked out do you know the united states certain countries
00:43:57| actually have laws in place where they can't enter country adopt like they can only adopt from their own country because there's so many orphans
00:44:06| i'm trying to find it hmm heard that good there was this one youtuber that adopted an autistic child and made her youtube account based on like the process of adopting a child
00:44:20| and she just recently said that she was uh unadopting him and it's like she's on yeah it's sad she was unprepared to be a parent uh but she made an entire channel based
00:44:31| on that thing yeah so it's i feel sad for the people that are so i have a relative who's autistic and he gets proper care and he has his own
00:44:42| home uh but he's like watched by guardians um people caretakers who are there constantly and it it's just kind of like uh
00:44:52| it's sad as well as like good i guess eye opening like you see what's going on you're like oh well that's that wow there's a mentality of maybe a three-year-old and
00:45:03| he gets to live on his own his own place and he's cared for but i mean i don't i don't know where that person would be it'd be like sparta like 300
00:45:13| if he was built like born right like 19 years ago five months old who knows it is weird um this is weird we didn't touch on it ethiopia
00:45:25| democratic republic of congress and russia all have discontinued any inter-country adoption because the amount of needing to be adopted in their countries is so
00:45:37| they don't want the parents going out of the country yeah and that makes sense to me um the united states is one of the highest adopters of people from outside the country
00:45:48| um wow half a million jesus we deli roughly of these three the united states uses china india and south korea the most half a million orphans in china 20
00:46:02| millions orphans from south korea each year or not each year right now so okay working anyone under 18. but it's just wild to me that we didn't
00:46:14| even touch on the political aspect that way like where the orphan comes from what what country how they come into the country the whole adoption
00:46:23| process is insane doesn't it cost thousands and thousands of dollars i have to verify that you're making legitimate money in india they have to they verify you they go through a
00:46:32| vetting process for like six months you have to get approved it has to be brought into the country and then you can adopt where there are where i touched on there
00:46:41| are 30 000 like homeless children in new york city i'm not here to tell you you can or can't adopt from wherever i don't know it's just
00:46:50| it it's weird to wrap your brain around that isn't it that you you're rolling the dice yeah live in new york yeah you want to adopt a child from
00:47:00| india you spend 40 that doesn't even guarantee you're getting the child you go visit you pay for the plane ride you check out
00:47:09| india you go you find a child that's two years old lost its parents you say yes this is a child will adopt you go back you fill out more paperwork all these
00:47:18| people have to vet you all these different companies have to come and check to make sure you're legit you make the money you say you make everything else
00:47:26| they come they approve you three months later that child you visited in india you pay to have them flown over here you pay another forty thousand dollars for adoption paperwork whatever else it is
00:47:36| all the while there's 30 000 homeless children in new york city that don't really have a home or living between homes or in foster homes and it's just a weird
00:47:48| thought i don't know is that you could care you could probably care for one of those homeless children without ever paying any a dime and just say come into my house let me
00:47:56| take care of you and then the emotional bond could be there it could be a as strong a bond as you could get from a foreign child keep in mind
00:48:04| though that not that practice is also a slippery slope not legal and i see why if some child molester started just taking in kids from the street
00:48:13| oh yeah there's no regulations or bad parents or abusers or who knows what like it's loophole but like that's what i'm saying it's like a whole weird thing where i don't
00:48:27| even get all the moving parts and it's very it's it's weird it doesn't make sense to me all the way across yeah and that i there's a a preferential
00:48:37| thing that like i don't know that i i mean i already have my own children if i didn't have my own children i'd probably be like
00:48:43| yeah adopt because there's an element to having children that you just can't experience than being a parent and trying to deal with literal [ __ ] all the time
00:48:52| and if i had my own children and an adopted child i'm i i feel weird because of the time that i spent when they were super young raising them that i don't
00:49:05| know that i would make that bond it's a real investment sort of it would yeah it would take whether it's a lot of time why not time spent time spent investing 14 hours
00:49:14| a day whatever the hell it is right yeah and it is like i don't know if it happens so like first child like if you like twilight movie where you imprint or
00:49:26| whatever on that child and then you become bonded like i think it takes a while for that first child to like you really bond with them
00:49:33| the second child i felt like i bonded with much more readily so i wonder if like the people who are like in these foster families or they're adopting children
00:49:41| that they're going to be like a brad pitt or an angelina jolie where they're adopting like so well let's just add another one like yeah yeah yeah he's cool yeah he's
00:49:49| interesting bonding more and more readily with with more and more children i don't know um this one said 20 000 children a year age out of the foster care system
00:50:00| in the united states and i was like oh yeah at one point they turn 18 and they're not in this system so where do they
00:50:10| go what do they do they become homeless crime homelessness like yeah you gotta really hope to hell that you already have it figured out by 18. so
00:50:20| hopefully you've had a steady parental foster system in place that had you go to school and you have a career track because otherwise you're kind of screwed
00:50:32| because yeah you're not gonna have anyone you're just thrown off a cliff good luck hey good luck so for my own parents like if you took away the guidance from my parents
00:50:41| i probably would have dropped out of high school i probably wouldn't have gone to college i probably realized that i needed to do to do those things when i was in my
00:50:48| mid-20s but i would have already started a life and been in a direction probably would have met somebody and maybe even had a kid i
00:50:55| don't know that you don't have time to go back to school exactly so i don't think i would have taken any of those paths so i would have been
00:51:03| behind the eight ball and that's coming from like a probably from like a well-off perspective that these orphans probably don't like if you
00:51:13| don't have guidance and you're making minimum wage and you don't want to go to school i don't know how you justify that you can pay your rent
00:51:20| so you can move into your own place you probably drop down to like either homeless or like living out of a car
00:51:28| because i don't see how you get by three people yeah living with multiple people you kind of like yeah it's i mean that's a tough start
00:51:37| that's a really tough start and then you don't have somebody telling you like these are the right things you hear all these probably rumors about what to do or where to go
00:51:46| or how to get educated yeah you really that's wild so to wrap up orphans yeah someone has to take piss let's uh i don't know god
00:52:00| they're they're they're screwed but some of them make it that's yeah and you know what i also think talking about this subject originally it
00:52:11| was so bleak and so bad that i thought just being an orphan sucked let me turn but something something you touched on earlier made me go
00:52:21| holy [ __ ] and it was this like worst case scenario like humans if they aren't raised perfectly i worry about them like they don't have good parents
00:52:31| the parents fight their parents don't prepare them for the real world their parents spoil them like they're too good for them like you need this perfect balance to have a perfect child to turn
00:52:40| into a perfect person but there's no [ __ ] perfect people there's no [ __ ] perfect parents so a lot of people are raised by drunks uh abusive parents parents who are
00:52:51| [ __ ] too busy working and doing other [ __ ] parents who are like i don't know into some weird [ __ ] like there's there's tons of horrible
00:52:59| parents that could screw their kids up that are just types of orphans that just do their best no i'm talking about the people with parents yeah yeah that's what i'm
00:53:08| saying and sometimes the people with parents like parents the parents are abandoning them emotionally even though they're physically there yes
00:53:14| yes then there's like orphans who maybe have great support or have great vision or just smart kids who just like get it and like it doesn't matter whether
00:53:23| there's a parent there they know what they want they get the education or the support system and they use it then there's pieces of [ __ ] on both ends and i'm like oh my god my head was
00:53:32| spinning and then you said this boy was raised by ostriches and i was like jesus christ i was like screw it all dude humans will find a way
00:53:41| like you can literally abandon a baby leave it with ostriches and there's a chance that it could survive and become an adult human who functions in society
00:53:51| so my takeaway is this humans are way harder than i thought yeah we are animals and i think and i feel sorry for anyone who doesn't have all the
00:54:02| resources and i think we should try and help them and do whatever we can but at the same time i wouldn't be surprised if they surprise us
00:54:12| yeah i hope someone turns this into a cartoon has that prototypical child staring at the window with the tear in his eye sees a pack of ostriches and he just
00:54:21| decides this is my moment and the last thing he says him sprinting jumping on and off yeah i heard him board the train and then still crazy so people can do anything they're hardier
00:54:36| than we think still having bad parents having no parents having ostrich parents won't ruin your life might make it pretty terrible but
00:54:45| ultimately there's a lot of other gambles shakes breaks and other things that go into it yeah those tongan boys who were shipwrecked on an island for 15 months
00:54:56| sweaty boys sweaty sweaty boys some of those guys that i watched an interview and they said it was like they they look longingly at the island they remember that time
00:55:06| of like growing together fondly so never know what's going to make you you never want to know what's going to break you so shout out to all the orphans anyone
00:55:17| without parents yeah hopefully you're at a disadvantage but maybe you make it maybe do something good so yeah thanks for listening we uh check out
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00:01:18| follicles pretty big [Music] oh well i'm dan there's nick right there i see him i see him right there uh in the video you can see me oh yeah amazing
00:01:41| technology's incredible everyone is incredible for what you are nick everyone knows the truth well as you'll notice i have extra furniture in here yeah you've become
00:01:52| endowed is that the right uh we're trans i'm transitioning okay and we're the unpanderers and one with us on the journey transitioning my computer workspace
00:02:06| but i don't think it's going to work so we're going to turn it into a dresser nice we're close yeah that's great when i transition are you you're not an orphan
00:02:18| i don't think i am not nor have i ever been an orphan are you no do you know when have you ever been no never i'll never be until i'm a much older hopefully
00:02:33| maybe no you can't be an orphan if you're older right now you're over 18. older than 18. that is correct they're gonna have some wiki definitions here but that's just
00:02:41| got him the uh i do know an orphan my father-in-law yeah well he's not an orphan anymore but he was an orphan uh he might still be
00:02:54| he's he's just progressed past age 16 in his mind so we're going to say he's still an orphan technically is he normal what is an orphan yeah no
00:03:06| not at all but that's i don't think it has to do with the orphan thing we'll get into that honestly so an orphan someone who lately i think 2015 they changed the
00:03:20| rule unicef made their definition now you can only have i've lost one parent to still be an orphan be half orphan but it's still considered an orphan
00:03:30| there it's called a double orphan or double double enemy or those who've lost both parents do you know what the numbers were it was
00:03:39| like some like in certain countries that are war torn or have a bunch of aids loads of aids loads of some of them this is actually a really big part of it it is yeah it's
00:03:49| surprising there's this is the saddest topic that i started on and by the end i was like this is going to be awesome so well it's going to be this it's going
00:03:57| to be a journey but yeah in certain african countries it's like 11 of the children in that country are orphans yeah it's the um
00:04:10| double orphans are those okay 15.1 million of orphans are double orphans the bigger number single parent organs if you added that population it's the
00:04:24| ninth largest population in the world if you went by country yeah it would be like right behind russia i saw this back then i was like damn orphans
00:04:32| if they were collected in their numbers and sheer strength of power would make up a country bigger like as big as russia that's insane to me that's
00:04:44| massive yeah how do you think what you do if you were an orphan terrible terribly actually okay i don't know well i don't know here's the question then what part of me
00:04:57| my personality and stuff and how i deal with situations is from my parents nature versus then yes so i don't know i mean i think i would
00:05:05| do great but that's because i was raised by my parents what did you do as an orphan i do great my parents raised me perfect like i don't know that was the last time
00:05:14| you saw an orphanage i don't know that i've ever seen an orphanage it's because i don't think they exist anymore in the united states not in the form that we like think of as
00:05:24| a movie a house yeah a house with a bunch of kids in it that are just left to their own it's all like custody and all that stuff right like uh
00:05:35| yep yeah the united states i believe actually i can tell you york city damn that's crazy kids or just homeless kids under 18. 30 how many 30 thousand
00:05:51| three thousand yeah but um oh this is about oh adoption safe families act so apparently a big deal happened in adoption and safe families act it was
00:06:06| solidified yeah it solidified the way that we deal with the children and put the care of the child and and the foremost so it it made it so that instead of like
00:06:15| having to deal with these goddamn orphan children it was more like we should care about these children because they're important people well and then they they're only certain
00:06:23| families can get them in the foster care system you put that it's like act now oh you'll have 20 minutes act to get you orphaned it's not like it's not like they can do
00:06:35| it to anyone like hey hey jimmy i know you guys are doing good over here you got three kids we're giving you an extra why it's like he's an orphan we need you to foster
00:06:45| listen this is from higher up you got to take him i don't want another kid he's tiny he'll fit in the cupboard he's tired he's good he's good he's in that dresser back there it's
00:06:55| okay do you know what a foster family gets paid to have a kid i do not know this this is interesting no i didn't find it different state by state and i didn't do enough digging but
00:07:06| it was like different state by state i think i think it's state-based even states have a few different rules i think there's like a unifying rule
00:07:13| that holds them all together you can look it up but um even every country deals with their orphans differently we're going to deal most with the united
00:07:20| states but uh oh times 300 what's that 350 what's that uh i don't know but i don't know for an additional let me tell you that 150 for clothing
00:07:33| wait wait wait wait multiple wait it's actually keyboards i'm typing here i'm typing oh good eight thousand dollars a year
00:07:46| to how i was a kid that sounds great sounds terrible it depends where you live this so this is like um what the hell they do like uh uh
00:07:57| no i forget where this corpus christi apparently if you have so like you get tax credits for having children or you used to anyway
00:08:04| so like there used to be people who would say oh this is a mathematical the geniuses this is terrible there's a mathematical formula to like how many kids you can have before the
00:08:15| kids take care of you so like people would have like eight kids so they can get like three thousand dollars in like tax credits back so that they could have twenty four
00:08:24| thousand dollars a year essentially and then like if you hit a certain poverty level they like give you more money because you're like disadvantaged so like you balance
00:08:32| your children between like your own well-being and then you don't have to do anything you're interested you just exist so there is there's a sweet spot
00:08:39| is that what you're saying probably there's a sweet spot for these foster care families too not that they're all there there's probably a bad one in there i haven't
00:08:46| found it yet but you know most these people are probably good because taking in an orphan is probably challenging
00:08:53| in a lot of it's weird like orphans are also like the butt of jokes like you're an orphan you're adopted you're foster you're this like you're i'm batman
00:09:02| what's that i'm batman batman was technically a double orphan yes it was shout out batman the original d-o as we call the vos um what was i going to say about
00:09:15| it though foster family getting paid money corpus christi they are no it was about um just orphans in general where do we get the
00:09:25| notion because like i think of orphans different as a kid than i do now and i think most of my orphan ideas were shaped by like fievel does that make sense was bible
00:09:36| he was an orphan for a short period of time because his family was back in new york and he set off down the raft to go find fame and fortune in the west i think he
00:09:47| was to find no there's an even sadder one that five will goes west that's five looks west that sounds awesome five of the original was like his
00:09:54| parents were from europe i think they were russian or like croatian or i don't even know and they sent him to america in like this bottle it was all real sad
00:10:03| and i remember i feel like he had run-ins with the orphanage like that's where he stayed i feel like with other young people and i feel like
00:10:12| that's what orphanages were and like i mentioned how my stepfather in quotes he was an orphan he um was orphaned in the philadelphia system
00:10:25| and he was a bad egg if i may say so myself he was kicked out of three different orphanages uh he was tried to give foster homes and
00:10:34| he none of them stuck and he was big into sex drugs rock and roll that kind of that kind of stuff being a rebel driving
00:10:45| his motorcycle getting in an accident like doing all sorts of wild and crazy stuff that was reckless no and this is going to sound weird because
00:10:55| he'll never hear this but maybe he will but like he's a hearty guy he wears his heart on his sleeve he's like outspoken he will say anything to anyone
00:11:07| he will be nice to anyone he will be mean to anyone he will speak his mind he will he's the loudest person you've ever met if i hear him at a grocery store
00:11:17| three townships away where i didn't know he was i know it's him i just hear his voice and i go huh it's fat head like you can find him he's very there's something about him that's very
00:11:27| loud he's very vocal very extreme anything he believes in he believes in ten thousand percent and maybe it's because of the whole orphan thing
00:11:40| which i'm not getting into psychology but like no one hear his voice he had to make his own voice yeah let's it's like if you're left alone by yourself you pretty much have to create
00:11:50| your own identity while other people are all all around you so i watched a documentary on like this guy growing up in a romanian orphanage and it was pretty
00:11:58| much that like instead of like a jail in a cell like the cribs were the cells like these children would grow from babies to like
00:12:07| toddlers and they'd still be in the same bed and they would just be unattended like they would just be like staying stay in your cell and just exist and
00:12:17| i don't know how anybody will yeah how many man hours do you spend with your damn kid and i say damn because it's a lot of damn hours like too many games recently
00:12:28| it's like it's like maybe like 14 hours a day that's ridiculous and now you go from 14 hours to borderline maybe an hour well let's say
00:12:38| an hour if there's a caretaker like there's yeah the ones i've seen like there are beds probably like you know like a dozen or two dozen beds in a
00:12:46| single room in a room and there's probably like like a real long one or a huge room right yeah a giant bunk beds probably no one sleeps because it's probably constantly making
00:12:55| noise and then the people who are in there like it's not just like oh you lost your family there are people in there because of like
00:13:02| war they might be like disabled in some way they might be like mentally disabled another way and like i'm pretty sure that like not the orphanage orphans are awful
00:13:14| teetering on the pc on pc side of it but like i'm sure a lot of the orphans are not well adjusted and you got to deal with like what i dealt with as a kid like the the
00:13:25| town bully or the school bully was probably super tame compared to like most of the kids that are in orphanages right so there's tons of borderline personality disorders there's tons of
00:13:38| mentally not quite right people there's there's tons of people who have to bully there's people who are injured mentally psychologically like there's
00:13:50| a whole mix of stuff and there's not a lot of parents or adults to kind of separate at all or like make sure that everyone's okay or people get care who cares about the emotional
00:13:59| welfare of a child in an orphanage like i don't i don't know and they probably have therapy now but it seems like back then maybe they don't even care that's even pushing it now
00:14:08| and then it's even like there's like a stockholm syndrome piece of it too that this guy that they followed in the romanian orphanage he was adopted into another family and even
00:14:16| when he was with the family it was like not normal for him he was like writing letters to the orphanage saying like bring me back because i'm not like i can't i can't live in this system
00:14:26| where it's like a family home and i don't have people around me all the time it's a little bit like the uh the crooks wanting to go back to prison yeah
00:14:35| exactly shawshank redemption a little bit like you're not you're not adjusted enough to be in an adjusted world brooks there's it's brooks oh i said
00:14:46| crooks it rhymes it counts class it still yeah it still counts it does count crooks in the phrase it rhymes it counts so with orphans like that the conditions
00:15:00| were never good being an orphan is never good to begin with like you don't want that situation and then on top of that it's all compounded it's all
00:15:07| like you could probably find a million books or youtube videos or ted talks about how the foster system is a failure the foster care system is a forest
00:15:18| foster care system is a it's not good probably correct i don't know enough about it personally i don't go in and check these houses but even
00:15:28| in movies depicted in movies foster care parents are like jackasses or like kind of terrible people in movies not necessarily in real life but there are
00:15:37| people who are preying on the system maybe using it for money maybe just picking up the kid or whatever but it's it's weird because it's not
00:15:45| your kid it's it's hard to like what we just said you're not gonna spend 14 hours a day with someone and you might but there's a biological disconnect
00:15:56| because even even the kids that are growing growing up in a foster care system even from a very young age they're aware that the people that they're living with are
00:16:04| not of their tribe so like the cortisol and stress levels of an orphan are much higher than a a regular kid or like a biological child so they're
00:16:15| like they're more compromised uh their immune system is compromised and it's harder for them to learn so they're disadvantaged from a biological standpoint that
00:16:24| they put in a system that they like they already feel stressed out about that is that it's wild and i guess there's no there's no easy answer you can't reunite them with their
00:16:33| parents if they're dead or aids or they're gone or whatever and they gave them up just like is that considered orphan yeah yeah so okay it said both parents dead but i
00:16:46| guess i've given up rights to entirely counts yeah as an orphan yeah okay i wasn't sure so like here's the crazy thing so so we're old
00:16:57| enough what was an orphan if it was given up like what happens what's the old story this is this yeah this is i don't know what movie this is from but they put it
00:17:04| in a little bassinet and it's probably biblical yeah and where does it go down the river it lands on someone's doorstep and then the nun
00:17:11| whips it until it's happy our generation come on man where do they go where do they go they go to that giant like oh dude a fire station oh fire station which one is this what
00:17:23| movie is this you don't know that so hold on if a lady's giving up her baby and she can't raise it she puts it in a straw basket and puts
00:17:30| it outside of a fire station oh i thought she flew to chicago and then she performed a legitimate operation and then got rid of it so here she's good no i thought it was dumpster
00:17:40| and a dumpster baby uh that is a thing but i think that's more like attempted abortions isn't it yeah but sometimes they survive and then they become like iron man or
00:17:51| someone someone no one no dumpster babies iron man dude well tell me that hey hey boots drops here bootstraps bootstraps all the way to the top no iron man had rich famous parents he's
00:18:03| actually white privilege he was just emotionally disconnected he's an emotional emotional orphan let's not discount those emotions there are several dozen million of those
00:18:18| so we're gonna go next i don't know the beginning we didn't so like the reason that like a lot of these orphanages were were generated because of war and it's
00:18:26| like we kind of touched on like why people become orphans but not like why the system was generated so like way back when i think sometime in the 19 i would say like 1930s
00:18:40| in the depression era like these orphaned children like you would think they would have some place to go but back then they didn't
00:18:47| so they would like go out away from the cities and like form these like little like orphan camps and they'd be like yeah yeah they'd be like feral children so like
00:18:57| i imagine that these rich people would drive into the country and they'd see these packs of children and go like what the hell is out here and they're like we have to deal with
00:19:06| this like this is absurd and eventually they formed like an association to bring them together into these orphanages to find a place to put them because they can't have
00:19:14| packs of feral children just roaming the streets and into the hillsides survive oh that's a good one that's a good one lord of the flies
00:19:24| well i was just yeah i mean like so that was like the course of like five weeks wasn't it so piggy and ralph and the conch and everything and then like they were all
00:19:34| one of them died piggy got thrown off the edge spoiler alert lord of the flies version you better uh rewind this 10 seconds and you know hit mute but yeah if you're
00:19:46| older than 16 you have not been forced to read it in an english class or you can't read sorry orphans or federal children yeah so that's a fictional version do
00:19:59| you know there's a real version of that no is there is it yeah which one which one came first uh i think they came about i think the lord of the flies came before
00:20:09| so there's a tongan wait a fiction came out and then a real live version of the flies which is wild i thought it was like 1960 36. you see how i said 36
00:20:21| yeah you're probably closer probably 56. oh book oh boy i have to search i have to search william golding 1954 yeah william golding william golding 224 pages
00:20:35| that sounds quick quick read quick read so i got the conch i got the conch i got the couch sucks to your ass more so the tongan version is that there were six teenagers
00:20:50| ages 13 through 16 who decided that they wanted to go uh sail to fiji because they were tired of their existing lives so they got on a boat
00:21:00| they didn't like their parents yeah rebels they uh they stole somebody a fisherman's boat and when they set sail nighttime hit and they all fell asleep
00:21:11| and when they woke up they didn't know where they were and there was a storm and they uh they tried to i guess fix their utter or like pull the sails
00:21:21| and those things broke so they were floating in the ocean for eight days and they hit this island a massive island that uh looked like a giant doorstop
00:21:32| jutting out of the ocean and they ended up living there for 15 months and this is real right yeah the reason they were able to live there is because of a the culture of the
00:21:43| tongan people is like you know make sure that you don't kill your own people like be courteous and stuff in all situations and they're pretty hardy
00:21:50| and then be like there had been settlements there before so like there was some food and like chickens and they were able to actually like you know fish because they had that in
00:22:00| their culture so they were able to like build a little society and even when one of them broke their leg they were able to like
00:22:08| support that person even though they couldn't do anything to survive plus those guys were specimens they were beasts like they looked like they were like 18 year olds
00:22:18| that's like when they were like 14. i don't know if it was afterwards but they were jacked i was like man look at these tongues not malnourished
00:22:28| those lucky boys if anyone if anyone has a picture and can send to my associate dance i really would like a picture of those boys in their prime
00:22:38| they just want to say he got sweaty under the collar no he's smiling ear to ear that's so inappropriate nick how dare you
00:22:51| anyway tongan boys sign up but but incredible though it is i don't know it's weird i feel like um anyone under 10 i feel like can't really survive on their own in the wild
00:23:06| i know there's going to be stories of like an eight-year-old that did this or seven-year-old that found food and water but by the time you're double digit age maybe single digit age i'm not buying it
00:23:19| and if you do it's a freak occurrence it's not normal if i left any other eight-year-old outside in the woods they're dead okay so i guess i love the wikipedia
00:23:28| article on feral children or feral child have you read this why does it have a link no i have not like i was reading through it normally like i would a normal article and then i
00:23:37| started reading like uh all of these young children that like under age five like they're raised by a certain animal yeah so like it was like the first
00:23:48| things i read like marina chapman she claimed to have lived with a weeper chapuchin monkeys in the colombian jungle from five to nine
00:23:57| and it's like the animals the monkeys they take care of the child like it's their own so they feed and like make sure they're protected and they will
00:24:07| fight for the child and like like crazy mammalian like biology says like well we have to protect our own it's like our own as like a was it species it's not even species
00:24:17| it's like what is the level at which like we fit in the same category as monkeys it's crazy uh genus species class anyway one of those things soulful order
00:24:31| we don't know science folks anyway when i was reading this article i missed that i was like i was like okay so we can be raised by monkeys and i scroll down it's like
00:24:38| and all the children that were raised by wolves and all the children that were raised by dogs raised by bears raised by sheep raised by cattle raised by goats raised by
00:24:46| ostriches and i'm like what ostriches ostrich boy sir dude he was in the sahara desert at the age of two going to [ __ ] from age
00:25:01| ostriches hold on this is literally blowing my mind because i don't believe it there's something wrong here yeah an uh ostrich family astray what's
00:25:12| plural of ostrich ostriches it's gotta be something cool oh that's boring what's a what's your like ostrich a pack what it's like a group of ostrich a
00:25:21| gaggle of austria let's see here it's called a herd that's boring too either way i think it would make i make fun of the [ __ ] of that kid
00:25:32| yo ostrich boy yo your mom's legs for days like you know what i mean yeah that's good take a look at those talents but um yo
00:25:43| is that a feather duster that's your mom's ass so it's it's kind of like bizarre that like certain children
00:25:54| like a that animals will take care of children and be like the children that are actually raised so there's one story of a of a girl who
00:26:04| actually had a family had a home had a house but her family neglected her so much that she would spend time in the kennel with her dogs and instead of learning
00:26:14| english because the parents just didn't speak to the child she learned to like bark and growl and that occurred that was her main form of communication
00:26:22| so like if you tried to talk to the girl like her first it like her first desire was to like bark and growl at you rather than try to speak to you
00:26:31| so like her development was completely delayed until she was like in her teens and then she started to actually learn english you're bringing her up dude this is the
00:26:43| funniest thing so anyone who's taken any classes in psychology any college courses any high school classes oxana jeannie
00:26:55| and she was a telepath and could lift chairs with her mind no good lord the one who was raised by uh fictitious parents no her parents were
00:27:07| like kind of bad parents people say she was chained to a toilet and had like she lived in a room so no one discovered her until she was 13. no one ever talked to her no one ever
00:27:20| really i don't know once in a while her dad would beat her with a baseball bat if she ever made noise so she was never spoken to and she never
00:27:27| spoke she didn't know any language she didn't know anything no one talked to her she just lived chained in this room anyway uh it's like the biggest
00:27:37| psychological breakthrough like can someone learn language afterwards what innate abilities do humans have if they don't interact with other humans essentially
00:27:46| right yeah they become targeted the whole thing was that a little bit yeah now she never was normal at all like um language areas of brain or divided
00:27:55| she was never fully able to to be able to learn to speak uh if you're fluent in one language you can learn another she never really became fluent in anything
00:28:04| so so your brain forms in a certain way that's like unbreakable and then like you also lose like pieces of emotion and pieces of like
00:28:12| society that you just can't learn uh she was like everyone was so hot for jeannie because like she was she was perfect we could do all
00:28:21| psychological experiences she didn't have a queen did she that would have made it not that would have been oh my god like oh wait a second huh would it have
00:28:32| been cooler if they were raised separately in complete isolation and one was like french so um yeah it's just weird stuff but it
00:28:46| was it federal children she's like the grandfather of feral children i'm trying to see if she died born 1957. locked room ah it doesn't say she's
00:29:01| her identity was hidden her identity was hidden because of so many people that were like hey can i study you and she was just like i can't tell you no really is that what
00:29:10| they did they did that yeah i think that makes sense i mean the people who originally studied here kept her under wraps put her back in the basement
00:29:19| completely cut off where she wanted to be attached to a toilet right where she needed to be poor g lord or jamie anyway i think
00:29:29| there's a level of something that you have to get in your you i mean development that's pretty obvious your body's developing your mind
00:29:39| and everything else has to too and i think what we get from this whole orphan thing from federal children thing from all of these things is that you do
00:29:47| need you need feedback you need input you need mentors as you mentioned the beginning you need you need guideposts you can't just wander around this ocean
00:29:57| alone so i don't know i guess some orphans figure it out some don't some feral children survive with ostriches some don't like what is that
00:30:07| so the stats for like a a i guess a well-adjusted orphan or something like only like in comparison like a normal person like
00:30:18| of the orphans that graduate it's like crimes like if like orphan versus normal person it's like you're you're much more likely to commit a crime if you're an orphan
00:30:30| because of whatever reason like you're missing i mean you're also are you you're probably living a pretty pover
00:30:37| poverty yeah and if you want something you really can't afford it how are you going to get it i mean you have to steal it or true do something yes right yeah so
00:30:47| gotta spew the stats how did your uh your relative overcome orphan orphan re he for as much as he's abrasive loud and extremely noticeable and unique
00:31:06| those things often enamor themselves to other people like it's a real quality so he is yeah he's one of the more unique people you are ever you will ever meet
00:31:17| he's strong not just in will physically emotionally mentally tongan 15 year old right yeah he does he does
00:31:26| i'll send you pictures later he uh he's he knows what he wants in life and he sort of goes towards it right now he's an entrepreneur he makes uh stuffed cherry peppers
00:31:40| like and does them and like people know him from it's a stuffed cherry pepper you know if you go um into a bar and you order a pepper shooter no i've never ordered a pepper shooter
00:31:54| you ever have a pepper that's filled with cheese and meat and you can eat it okay yeah okay that's a pepper shooter shooter's usually dub my machine he does all his
00:32:02| handmade he buys um cherry peppers he course them what he has his people call them he buys extremely expensive meat and cheese burjut
00:32:14| and sharp provolone stuff some he has a special oil he's made that's like spicy and when you eat his stuffed cherry peppers they are actually i'm not gonna lie i'm
00:32:25| not prejudiced because i would say they suck they're the best stuffed cherry peppers i've ever had in my life they're also like 18 a jar for like 12
00:32:34| peppers not a jar of them yeah oh he makes them in a jar with the oil and everything and he hawks them and sells them and he sells them to
00:32:43| supermarkets he sells them to vfws he sells them to bars he sells them to restaurants he sells them everywhere do you just pop them right out of the jar in your mouth or you heat them up
00:32:52| first oh my god no you pop them around the jar you pop those bad boys the issue is if you have more than three or four in a night your butt hole will
00:33:03| burn like a mother the next day i love that but yeah you can use you can use the oil and everything too you can cook with it and do all this [ __ ] and like whatever
00:33:11| like he has his expressions like i've worked with him where he's selling the product that like pepper shows you don't even know a pepper show is a thing oh pepper show is a thing where hundreds
00:33:20| of tents filled with different kinds of peppers pepper shooters stuffed peppers pepper jelly pepper this all line up and people walk up and down
00:33:29| and buy stuff and you have to yell and he is louder than anyone else who works any of these tents and more interesting he says hey brother what the [ __ ]
00:33:39| going on to a stranger the stranger goes and everyone else is just quietly waiting by this thing he goes get the [ __ ] over here you need a meal
00:33:48| oh where's your skinny bro bring her over and then he says listen i got these hand stuffed in america with meats and cheeses imported or what
00:33:59| does he say all the meats from italy just like my kid or something like that he has all these expressions and stuff
00:34:08| bottom line is he is is that what he did straight straight out of the orphanage like he no he's he's had different jobs with a township
00:34:18| where i believe he told his boss to f off and punched him oh interesting lost his job there now he's very he has tendencies he's short-tempered
00:34:28| yes maybe because of the orphanage thing i have no idea it's also who he is but you you have to definitively go in one direction or the other i feel like
00:34:39| so maybe that's what he's done yeah that's a good story and in a way he's self made in business he's owner of the company he makes his own stuff
00:34:51| prints his own labels make sure everything's fda whatever he kind of had to be self-made as a person yeah right i mean he didn't have parents
00:35:01| that were there to guide him and make him do x y z so it makes sense um there's a lot of people who fall into the trap of their parents
00:35:11| right like they live the life their parents gave them they are waiting for mommy and daddy to cuddle them never like orphans will never orphans
00:35:21| will never be that so as much as they're disadvantaged in so many ways of life they also make or break they will they will find their way they will find
00:35:32| their what would you call it though mentored mentorship someone to follow someone to guide them i don't know i don't know if they'll find that i think they have to
00:35:41| find their own voice and then just follow their voice there's also you don't you don't create from nothing you always kind of have heroes or
00:35:49| something which is interesting which is strange do orphans get to pick their their parents in a way that's kind of sad and joyous at the
00:36:01| same time of course cartoons cartoon heroes or mostly orphans or something maybe i don't know man maybe what if you like tony robbins and his motivational speech
00:36:12| like and you guide your life after it if you wanted like that's your father figure things influence you right because they have to i don't know so what would you do if you
00:36:27| i was like if you were telling you but it would be like if whatever would you do what would you do if your child became an orphan like are you preparing for that event are you
00:36:36| trying to prevent it you like creating a structure so that like bennett like hell booty's a mommy's boy and a daddy's boy he's both so this is most this is the scenario
00:36:46| that most people don't realize like even i am my son would die on that island be eaten by a squid or something giant scrooge
00:36:58| minecraft a minecraft squid would eat my son but like i'm super prepared like most people say like you have a will you have to like put your
00:37:08| child's guardians in it and they have to like direct money at wherever they need to be but like right we didn't even touch on that weird stuff where like
00:37:15| if your aunt and uncle live too far away and everything else like that they can make them an orphan right you both die yeah like i don't we're as well that's right if your
00:37:23| grandparents aren't around let's say i i assume they're grandparents i think it's probably very state of the state but i think if it's like just your aunt they might not be able to just say hey i
00:37:33| want legal custody like it doesn't work like that well they have to determine which family is the most fit to have you and mostly it's a
00:37:39| close relative they say that most orphans are actually living with a relative that is like you know okay they will do that okay i didn't know if it's extended family
00:37:48| like if it's an ant in a different state i feel like they're just like hey we're going to put you in foster care because you hardly have interaction with that aunt or do they usually say hey it's up
00:37:56| to you aunt or how does that work i'm kind of curious at this time i'm curious as well because both parents die they live in pennsylvania right kids now an orphan
00:38:06| just happened suddenly no one had a will ready we weren't no one expected this he's six years old do they go hey he has an aunt in texas um are we gonna call her up they visit
00:38:17| once a year you know they see each other it's not like they're strangers but they don't really talk every day they don't know who the heck she is particularly she has her own three kids
00:38:24| she's not ready to take a new mouth to feed do they hey don't live with your aunt or do they foster care i know if that's defined by the court
00:38:34| it doesn't say okay i'm sure there's a bunch of factors in there case by case yeah case by case probably weird so like do you do anything to prevent
00:38:43| that like if you oh if you were wiped off the face of the planet what what would who would you want do you have like a sister
00:38:54| or you'd say go to your parents or my parents i mean they raised me and i feel like it helped make me who i was and i think that they would be you know
00:39:04| just comfortable with uh no but no but i'm thinking of right now because i have two sisters but they have their own kids that are the same age
00:39:11| yeah so they're dealing with their own families it would really neglect them yeah maybe no no i don't think they would neglect them i think it would throw a whole
00:39:20| monkey wrench into their into their own lives and their kids and it would raise the kid who was your cousin as your brother your cousin here as your new sister like it
00:39:30| would be like alabama yeah but i think god willing my parents are still alive and they were still the ageist now i'd want
00:39:41| to go to like my parents or something and be like because a now they don't have kids that are getting in the way so they can focus their entire attention on my son
00:39:49| and they have financial means and and they know me from raising me as a kid the most so it's like they can pass on whatever they passed on to me and
00:40:00| you know kind of carry on what i tried to do for my kid does that make sense yeah so there's a piece there though yeah i actually i have like a semi will but it's not
00:40:10| finished in any way it's not finalized it's not like wait did you sign it i think we signed a version but then it was like italians think signing of those bad luck
00:40:18| i didn't want to bring that up on the podcast but i just did oh a long time ago um so i named my sister because i felt like she was most
00:40:31| qualified and i feel like my parents like even though they probably are would be good role models they're becoming old and antiquated parents feel older than mine is that weird my
00:40:43| parents are 30 years older than me so they're like or 22 or 21. i think that makes a significant difference oh it does it does because i don't know
00:40:54| that they'd be physically capable to take care of a child in like five to ten years right right right i i see what you're saying yeah and my bad my all this whatever not
00:41:04| to be mean they could all of you if god forbid anything happens and everyone's watching this video all of my sisters all my parents
00:41:13| everyone's welcome to watch my kid if i'm deceased like i'm not against that we're more or less thinking what's the best fit yeah best choice and i'll put it on record then we have
00:41:22| discussed this with my wife and i and my sister is the one that we would like and they know that we told them that makes sense dude makes total sense the weird thing is that you
00:41:31| haven't thought about it and you haven't talked to ange about it you're your significant other i should have god you say your name i don't give a damn
00:41:38| everyone will know oh my god everyone will know okay so like having that conversation of like who's best like like you're eventually you know
00:41:48| that your side of the family is bad family yeah exactly right so she didn't mention her family and my father-in-law who was an orphan right yeah um she would probably say her
00:41:59| parents actually she might say her sister who we live with but that's weird too because she's single and i don't think that's bad it's just
00:42:08| like it's it's harder to it would be the easiest transition for your son but you don't believe it would be the best option for your son uh i'm not even that
00:42:18| just she's one person i think two people just makes it so much better because you split the load the time there's more you're tired of them diversity get rid
00:42:28| of them well because one if one person raises you you're really looking at one set of ideals i almost think that the brain
00:42:35| people that have differing ideals and kind of hate each other nick's parents gives you gives you options no not my parents you you and your own your own parents
00:42:46| your own son's parents and my good son's parents anyway it gives you it gives you more options so that like you can pick and choose like oh i do
00:42:55| agree with this part of my mom i do agree with this part of my dad yeah i do agree with this i see how they're different and i don't agree strictly with one versus the other and
00:43:03| you see the interplay between the two yes of course the fun enterprise which is like dealing with the society and social interactions makes it so that you understand both sides
00:43:15| yeah i was well there's a political element to this that i was like i just realized now i was like we could go into that but i don't know we want to no he's going to avoid it let's wrap
00:43:25| this episode up it's kind of early or late around yeah well some of us have to determinate no we okay we can keep this one short
00:43:36| and nice and tight and nice and i didn't have i didn't have more facts on orphans i mean we talked about the adoption
00:43:46| act let me see here we go there was one more thing i wanted to talk about oh um the united states i wanted to see how that worked out do you know the united states certain countries
00:43:57| actually have laws in place where they can't enter country adopt like they can only adopt from their own country because there's so many orphans
00:44:06| i'm trying to find it hmm heard that good there was this one youtuber that adopted an autistic child and made her youtube account based on like the process of adopting a child
00:44:20| and she just recently said that she was uh unadopting him and it's like she's on yeah it's sad she was unprepared to be a parent uh but she made an entire channel based
00:44:31| on that thing yeah so it's i feel sad for the people that are so i have a relative who's autistic and he gets proper care and he has his own
00:44:42| home uh but he's like watched by guardians um people caretakers who are there constantly and it it's just kind of like uh
00:44:52| it's sad as well as like good i guess eye opening like you see what's going on you're like oh well that's that wow there's a mentality of maybe a three-year-old and
00:45:03| he gets to live on his own his own place and he's cared for but i mean i don't i don't know where that person would be it'd be like sparta like 300
00:45:13| if he was built like born right like 19 years ago five months old who knows it is weird um this is weird we didn't touch on it ethiopia
00:45:25| democratic republic of congress and russia all have discontinued any inter-country adoption because the amount of needing to be adopted in their countries is so
00:45:37| they don't want the parents going out of the country yeah and that makes sense to me um the united states is one of the highest adopters of people from outside the country
00:45:48| um wow half a million jesus we deli roughly of these three the united states uses china india and south korea the most half a million orphans in china 20
00:46:02| millions orphans from south korea each year or not each year right now so okay working anyone under 18. but it's just wild to me that we didn't
00:46:14| even touch on the political aspect that way like where the orphan comes from what what country how they come into the country the whole adoption
00:46:23| process is insane doesn't it cost thousands and thousands of dollars i have to verify that you're making legitimate money in india they have to they verify you they go through a
00:46:32| vetting process for like six months you have to get approved it has to be brought into the country and then you can adopt where there are where i touched on there
00:46:41| are 30 000 like homeless children in new york city i'm not here to tell you you can or can't adopt from wherever i don't know it's just
00:46:50| it it's weird to wrap your brain around that isn't it that you you're rolling the dice yeah live in new york yeah you want to adopt a child from
00:47:00| india you spend 40 that doesn't even guarantee you're getting the child you go visit you pay for the plane ride you check out
00:47:09| india you go you find a child that's two years old lost its parents you say yes this is a child will adopt you go back you fill out more paperwork all these
00:47:18| people have to vet you all these different companies have to come and check to make sure you're legit you make the money you say you make everything else
00:47:26| they come they approve you three months later that child you visited in india you pay to have them flown over here you pay another forty thousand dollars for adoption paperwork whatever else it is
00:47:36| all the while there's 30 000 homeless children in new york city that don't really have a home or living between homes or in foster homes and it's just a weird
00:47:48| thought i don't know is that you could care you could probably care for one of those homeless children without ever paying any a dime and just say come into my house let me
00:47:56| take care of you and then the emotional bond could be there it could be a as strong a bond as you could get from a foreign child keep in mind
00:48:04| though that not that practice is also a slippery slope not legal and i see why if some child molester started just taking in kids from the street
00:48:13| oh yeah there's no regulations or bad parents or abusers or who knows what like it's loophole but like that's what i'm saying it's like a whole weird thing where i don't
00:48:27| even get all the moving parts and it's very it's it's weird it doesn't make sense to me all the way across yeah and that i there's a a preferential
00:48:37| thing that like i don't know that i i mean i already have my own children if i didn't have my own children i'd probably be like
00:48:43| yeah adopt because there's an element to having children that you just can't experience than being a parent and trying to deal with literal [ __ ] all the time
00:48:52| and if i had my own children and an adopted child i'm i i feel weird because of the time that i spent when they were super young raising them that i don't
00:49:05| know that i would make that bond it's a real investment sort of it would yeah it would take whether it's a lot of time why not time spent time spent investing 14 hours
00:49:14| a day whatever the hell it is right yeah and it is like i don't know if it happens so like first child like if you like twilight movie where you imprint or
00:49:26| whatever on that child and then you become bonded like i think it takes a while for that first child to like you really bond with them
00:49:33| the second child i felt like i bonded with much more readily so i wonder if like the people who are like in these foster families or they're adopting children
00:49:41| that they're going to be like a brad pitt or an angelina jolie where they're adopting like so well let's just add another one like yeah yeah yeah he's cool yeah he's
00:49:49| interesting bonding more and more readily with with more and more children i don't know um this one said 20 000 children a year age out of the foster care system
00:50:00| in the united states and i was like oh yeah at one point they turn 18 and they're not in this system so where do they
00:50:10| go what do they do they become homeless crime homelessness like yeah you gotta really hope to hell that you already have it figured out by 18. so
00:50:20| hopefully you've had a steady parental foster system in place that had you go to school and you have a career track because otherwise you're kind of screwed
00:50:32| because yeah you're not gonna have anyone you're just thrown off a cliff good luck hey good luck so for my own parents like if you took away the guidance from my parents
00:50:41| i probably would have dropped out of high school i probably wouldn't have gone to college i probably realized that i needed to do to do those things when i was in my
00:50:48| mid-20s but i would have already started a life and been in a direction probably would have met somebody and maybe even had a kid i
00:50:55| don't know that you don't have time to go back to school exactly so i don't think i would have taken any of those paths so i would have been
00:51:03| behind the eight ball and that's coming from like a probably from like a well-off perspective that these orphans probably don't like if you
00:51:13| don't have guidance and you're making minimum wage and you don't want to go to school i don't know how you justify that you can pay your rent
00:51:20| so you can move into your own place you probably drop down to like either homeless or like living out of a car
00:51:28| because i don't see how you get by three people yeah living with multiple people you kind of like yeah it's i mean that's a tough start
00:51:37| that's a really tough start and then you don't have somebody telling you like these are the right things you hear all these probably rumors about what to do or where to go
00:51:46| or how to get educated yeah you really that's wild so to wrap up orphans yeah someone has to take piss let's uh i don't know god
00:52:00| they're they're they're screwed but some of them make it that's yeah and you know what i also think talking about this subject originally it
00:52:11| was so bleak and so bad that i thought just being an orphan sucked let me turn but something something you touched on earlier made me go
00:52:21| holy [ __ ] and it was this like worst case scenario like humans if they aren't raised perfectly i worry about them like they don't have good parents
00:52:31| the parents fight their parents don't prepare them for the real world their parents spoil them like they're too good for them like you need this perfect balance to have a perfect child to turn
00:52:40| into a perfect person but there's no [ __ ] perfect people there's no [ __ ] perfect parents so a lot of people are raised by drunks uh abusive parents parents who are
00:52:51| [ __ ] too busy working and doing other [ __ ] parents who are like i don't know into some weird [ __ ] like there's there's tons of horrible
00:52:59| parents that could screw their kids up that are just types of orphans that just do their best no i'm talking about the people with parents yeah yeah that's what i'm
00:53:08| saying and sometimes the people with parents like parents the parents are abandoning them emotionally even though they're physically there yes
00:53:14| yes then there's like orphans who maybe have great support or have great vision or just smart kids who just like get it and like it doesn't matter whether
00:53:23| there's a parent there they know what they want they get the education or the support system and they use it then there's pieces of [ __ ] on both ends and i'm like oh my god my head was
00:53:32| spinning and then you said this boy was raised by ostriches and i was like jesus christ i was like screw it all dude humans will find a way
00:53:41| like you can literally abandon a baby leave it with ostriches and there's a chance that it could survive and become an adult human who functions in society
00:53:51| so my takeaway is this humans are way harder than i thought yeah we are animals and i think and i feel sorry for anyone who doesn't have all the
00:54:02| resources and i think we should try and help them and do whatever we can but at the same time i wouldn't be surprised if they surprise us
00:54:12| yeah i hope someone turns this into a cartoon has that prototypical child staring at the window with the tear in his eye sees a pack of ostriches and he just
00:54:21| decides this is my moment and the last thing he says him sprinting jumping on and off yeah i heard him board the train and then still crazy so people can do anything they're hardier
00:54:36| than we think still having bad parents having no parents having ostrich parents won't ruin your life might make it pretty terrible but
00:54:45| ultimately there's a lot of other gambles shakes breaks and other things that go into it yeah those tongan boys who were shipwrecked on an island for 15 months
00:54:56| sweaty boys sweaty sweaty boys some of those guys that i watched an interview and they said it was like they they look longingly at the island they remember that time
00:55:06| of like growing together fondly so never know what's going to make you you never want to know what's going to break you so shout out to all the orphans anyone
00:55:17| without parents yeah hopefully you're at a disadvantage but maybe you make it maybe do something good so yeah thanks for listening we uh check out
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