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00:00:12| all right so we're going to talk about whoa i'm nick here i'm dan oh good now we're ready yeah we're gonna cover uh
00:00:21| predators and this is a self predator predatory move here self predator nice yeah what we got tonight who's the big predator who's the prey
00:00:31| the people that are always the victims the gullible ones the ignorant ones the ones that are like how was i supposed to know so well common sense i don't know so this
00:00:42| this comes from a story that came up on uh one of my favorite podcasts criminal which one oh my channel that's a good one she's a
00:00:52| big baby she loves her episodes yeah i can't get it like she always blogging at me okay so this this one woman uh toby door she started she was like in her 50s and
00:01:05| lonely but she was married it's backstory victimization right there oh i was so lonely so she started a dog program with inmates and
00:01:15| the inmates would care for dogs and she met this one inmate who was imposing and i guess attractive to her for her and eventually this inmate like
00:01:26| protected her and then she felt comfortable with them so she said she decided that she was going to take money over for take money out of
00:01:36| her 401k sounds good so far go to the prison put him in a dog crate break him out of prison give him a gun and then okay
00:01:48| something afterwards i'm everything checks out so far is there a problem uh i don't know what like if you listen to her like her
00:02:00| description of what happened she was just like well i just i wasn't thinking about it like my question though is the dog thing i get you bring a dog in in a dog crate
00:02:10| and then you bring a dog out in the dog crate but it's like 180 pound dog and you're like i'm just gonna carry this and everyone's like oh that's cool
00:02:19| it's the dog probably there's a sheet over it let's not check i think that's exactly what she did she said it was machinery or something it's just something she brought in
00:02:27| and the guy like lost 25 pounds so that he could squeeze out ah there you go it's a very like prison guy super heavy dog
00:02:37| she kept fattening the dog in fact it would be really hilarious if their only way of judging it was a weight thing like indiana jones and then like they weighed it before it
00:02:46| came in and they didn't even look at it they were like and then on our way out they were like this is about the same this is the shawshank he pulls the sheet
00:02:54| back and it's just a really fat dog he's like the music place the warden has to throw something at the dog like poster behind it don't give up and it's
00:03:07| like a pup don't give pop you know it's a puppy motivational poster and the warden throws like a hole in it and he's like
00:03:15| what and he pokes his finger through and it's like it's where he was storing his meals that he wasn't eating that's how he lost the weight
00:03:24| genius don't give talking pop oh damn genius i'll write you that you're telling me there are people like this yeah so she was just like i don't like
00:03:34| she had never lived life and she wanted to live life but she didn't know what that meant so she was just like oh and then i just i decided i was gonna
00:03:42| you know go along give him a gun you know just like see how it went it's like after after she broke them out she's like i i was just kind of stuck like i didn't
00:03:50| know what i was doing and i was like no [ __ ] because you didn't have a [ __ ] thought in your brain this is like the people who let it get too far i guess a little bit too
00:03:59| yeah definitely once you get that far like you've already broken someone out of jail like it's like i have to give them the gun i mean what if they told on me you know what i
00:04:07| mean it's like all right yeah let's see this to fruition let's see where it goes but these people are everywhere they try to make it so that you know any situation they
00:04:16| were like completely free of all blame and then when you're like you're in a corner there's no way that they're gonna help you they're always gonna back off
00:04:25| so you you have to be aware of them being a predator by just being like laissez faire because it's not their fault they don't know what's going on oh i'm just
00:04:32| right i'm gonna be a bystander they were in the [ __ ] show they got through most of the [ __ ] and then things got serious they were like oh i didn't mean to oh oh
00:04:42| heavens so how would you figure out who these people are so i don't think they show themselves readily i think it takes no it's funny i think i
00:04:52| think the next predators we do might touch on people like this spoiler alert um but it's like someone who's so like they believe in something but half-heartedly
00:05:05| yeah and half-heartedly believing in it they do way more than you should when you have hardly believe in something no collection um i'm gonna sell my life savings for this
00:05:14| and you're like your life savings are like i sort of believe in it and then when they're when they do it you're like what and then halfway through they're like
00:05:22| yeah i changed my mind and you're like you've already committed eight crimes you can't you can't just take what are you doing yeah you can't take it back and they're
00:05:29| like sorry it's like a weird it's a weird um balance of commitment and belief where they don't really believe but they're willing to commit a hundred
00:05:38| percent and then when the consequences come they're like oh i was only 40 i was joking i didn't believe it yeah but it's like you did it so it's weird it's like
00:05:48| and you touched on it being gullible i don't know that it's straight gullibility so much it's just weird wanting to be involved in yes like wanting to be part of the caper
00:06:00| wanting to do something wild but really not really being wild yeah it's blowing up your own life because you want to experience something and i guess these people like they need
00:06:12| to be like if you come across one of these people it has to be that you test them out like you have to figure out their personality a little bit
00:06:18| and then like throw these scenarios at them and then see how they do and then you have to kind of like pin them in a situation where they have to respond which is difficult
00:06:28| you can't really do that to most people right in a situation especially hypotheticals it's hard to pin someone down but like you're talking about a person who's like yeah let's just
00:06:36| get married and move across the country together and start visiting all the ballparks you're like uh yeah i would do that and they're like let's do it
00:06:44| and they're like i'm willing to put up this much money and you're like this is crazy we're gonna do it and then like they get to like the first ballpark and they're like i need to go
00:06:52| back and live with my parents and you're like but we sold everything we have the rv i'm ready and they're like this isn't me it's like a weird they
00:07:01| started to be fully committed but they're not yeah is this the person we're talking about cold feet so yeah but they pretend to be
00:07:10| adventurous it's not because people with cold feet everywhere but like yes someone who's really got crazy big ambitions and dreams and everything and then all of a
00:07:19| sudden they're like yeah posers a little bit yeah it's weird yeah it's difficult so a lot of the people that do this are like chameleons so like they will like completely be
00:07:30| completely on board and then they bail so the point at which they bail you have to prepare for too you have to make sure that in your own world that you're fully prepared to do
00:07:39| it alone or be able to build on your own right because they're going to bail at some weird point and you're like right well i think
00:07:48| we were oh wait i i just thought we were oh what huh yep police are here where are you at dandelion where you had dandelion
00:07:57| they're here tell them tell them it was all part of the plan they're gone there's also a feature of them that's you said we mentioned gullibility though
00:08:11| like they're they're swept up in these planes yeah they're whimsical they really believe it though right yeah i think so i think they believe it for a while
00:08:19| up to yeah for a little while they fully believe it they believe it until the reality hits so they're dreamers that don't really want to
00:08:27| do the work sounds like it wow we got some dreamers out there who talk a big game want to do big things but they don't want to go to jail they don't
00:08:46| um yeah i agree with you 100 there are people like that who will and they egg you on they make you feel like you're a dreamer yeah you're like hell yeah
00:08:55| uh-huh yeah let's friggin sell it let's do it let's do it if you're brave i'm brave and then all of a sudden they're gone and you're like
00:09:09| that's for sure so can we find these people who are they anyone who's a dreamer correct if you meet a dreamer stay away they're all flyers oh man
00:09:23| yeah it's a tricky one because you don't know that you're in the situation until they pull the cord and then they're gone and you sold half of your life
00:09:30| your real estate you have a motorcycle you got this weird license you broke like 18 malls in a weird state and you're like they got your kids to get your house
00:09:39| they got your car and you're like i should have thought this one through damn it damn it but wait aren't you the dreamer at that point a little bit
00:09:50| this i think it does take two dreamers this is one of the situations where it's like a realist and a dreamer actually work really well together like two realists
00:09:57| also work well but two dreamers is just like those people what the hell like is that the prison scenario that you were describing i think so he's a dreamer and he's
00:10:05| well he's forced to try to escape because that's what he's a prisoner yeah i mean he's a realist when you think about it he's just playing it a little bit or is he being a dreamer i
00:10:14| have no idea if a prisoner can be a dreamer i mean they can but 100 percent we'll never know his he uh the best part of the end was that
00:10:24| like they went to some place public got spotted and they were on the freeway and then she was just like oh there's no cars here
00:10:32| and all the police are like barring the exits for some reason and it's just like oh she didn't even put two and four together she was just like that's crazy there's a prisoner here and
00:10:43| she was looking around for them and it's like no it's you yeah and then he turned to her and said should we pull over and she goes yeah
00:10:49| well it is the law and then like as he was like pulling over one of the police officers like swerved in front of him and he's like they're trying to kill me and then he
00:10:56| accelerated and then he hit a tree at like 100 miles an hour but they both lived god bless there's a happy ending to every story yeah
00:11:06| so how do you spot these people should we avoid them is there any way to avoid them i don't i don't know that you knew i mean you can throw out these grand ideas
00:11:14| and see if they buy in you can send they throw out some like skepticism and then see how they receive the skepticism to be like uh are you sure about that
00:11:22| and like see how they handle questions reality check them reality check them rally checking your face reality project here's some reality here's some reality you have some really
00:11:31| what are you gonna do with the money and they'll be like ten thousand dollars forever spend it on you baby yeah you could be wearing that much
00:11:41| imagine if they imagine if they broke down the uh ten thousand dollars in the meals wendy's i'm talking lots of days lots of days at the wendy's four for
00:11:54| four we going crazy what about toilet paper ah the train station we're gonna grab the jumbo two-ply roll and we're gonna stick
00:12:05| it in your purse and then boom that's toilet paper for a week sounds fantastic nick let's do it i'm a dreamer let's go alrighty so try not to be a victim
00:12:16| of these people they're called happy optimistic people stick to people downers yeah yeah stick with people who are telling you you're [ __ ]
00:12:24| and nothing dead end forever yeah yeah nowhere you know where you're going nowhere so yeah i think that's better take it right to your grave
00:12:38| don't be a dreamer folks predators
00:00:21| predators and this is a self predator predatory move here self predator nice yeah what we got tonight who's the big predator who's the prey
00:00:31| the people that are always the victims the gullible ones the ignorant ones the ones that are like how was i supposed to know so well common sense i don't know so this
00:00:42| this comes from a story that came up on uh one of my favorite podcasts criminal which one oh my channel that's a good one she's a
00:00:52| big baby she loves her episodes yeah i can't get it like she always blogging at me okay so this this one woman uh toby door she started she was like in her 50s and
00:01:05| lonely but she was married it's backstory victimization right there oh i was so lonely so she started a dog program with inmates and
00:01:15| the inmates would care for dogs and she met this one inmate who was imposing and i guess attractive to her for her and eventually this inmate like
00:01:26| protected her and then she felt comfortable with them so she said she decided that she was going to take money over for take money out of
00:01:36| her 401k sounds good so far go to the prison put him in a dog crate break him out of prison give him a gun and then okay
00:01:48| something afterwards i'm everything checks out so far is there a problem uh i don't know what like if you listen to her like her
00:02:00| description of what happened she was just like well i just i wasn't thinking about it like my question though is the dog thing i get you bring a dog in in a dog crate
00:02:10| and then you bring a dog out in the dog crate but it's like 180 pound dog and you're like i'm just gonna carry this and everyone's like oh that's cool
00:02:19| it's the dog probably there's a sheet over it let's not check i think that's exactly what she did she said it was machinery or something it's just something she brought in
00:02:27| and the guy like lost 25 pounds so that he could squeeze out ah there you go it's a very like prison guy super heavy dog
00:02:37| she kept fattening the dog in fact it would be really hilarious if their only way of judging it was a weight thing like indiana jones and then like they weighed it before it
00:02:46| came in and they didn't even look at it they were like and then on our way out they were like this is about the same this is the shawshank he pulls the sheet
00:02:54| back and it's just a really fat dog he's like the music place the warden has to throw something at the dog like poster behind it don't give up and it's
00:03:07| like a pup don't give pop you know it's a puppy motivational poster and the warden throws like a hole in it and he's like
00:03:15| what and he pokes his finger through and it's like it's where he was storing his meals that he wasn't eating that's how he lost the weight
00:03:24| genius don't give talking pop oh damn genius i'll write you that you're telling me there are people like this yeah so she was just like i don't like
00:03:34| she had never lived life and she wanted to live life but she didn't know what that meant so she was just like oh and then i just i decided i was gonna
00:03:42| you know go along give him a gun you know just like see how it went it's like after after she broke them out she's like i i was just kind of stuck like i didn't
00:03:50| know what i was doing and i was like no [ __ ] because you didn't have a [ __ ] thought in your brain this is like the people who let it get too far i guess a little bit too
00:03:59| yeah definitely once you get that far like you've already broken someone out of jail like it's like i have to give them the gun i mean what if they told on me you know what i
00:04:07| mean it's like all right yeah let's see this to fruition let's see where it goes but these people are everywhere they try to make it so that you know any situation they
00:04:16| were like completely free of all blame and then when you're like you're in a corner there's no way that they're gonna help you they're always gonna back off
00:04:25| so you you have to be aware of them being a predator by just being like laissez faire because it's not their fault they don't know what's going on oh i'm just
00:04:32| right i'm gonna be a bystander they were in the [ __ ] show they got through most of the [ __ ] and then things got serious they were like oh i didn't mean to oh oh
00:04:42| heavens so how would you figure out who these people are so i don't think they show themselves readily i think it takes no it's funny i think i
00:04:52| think the next predators we do might touch on people like this spoiler alert um but it's like someone who's so like they believe in something but half-heartedly
00:05:05| yeah and half-heartedly believing in it they do way more than you should when you have hardly believe in something no collection um i'm gonna sell my life savings for this
00:05:14| and you're like your life savings are like i sort of believe in it and then when they're when they do it you're like what and then halfway through they're like
00:05:22| yeah i changed my mind and you're like you've already committed eight crimes you can't you can't just take what are you doing yeah you can't take it back and they're
00:05:29| like sorry it's like a weird it's a weird um balance of commitment and belief where they don't really believe but they're willing to commit a hundred
00:05:38| percent and then when the consequences come they're like oh i was only 40 i was joking i didn't believe it yeah but it's like you did it so it's weird it's like
00:05:48| and you touched on it being gullible i don't know that it's straight gullibility so much it's just weird wanting to be involved in yes like wanting to be part of the caper
00:06:00| wanting to do something wild but really not really being wild yeah it's blowing up your own life because you want to experience something and i guess these people like they need
00:06:12| to be like if you come across one of these people it has to be that you test them out like you have to figure out their personality a little bit
00:06:18| and then like throw these scenarios at them and then see how they do and then you have to kind of like pin them in a situation where they have to respond which is difficult
00:06:28| you can't really do that to most people right in a situation especially hypotheticals it's hard to pin someone down but like you're talking about a person who's like yeah let's just
00:06:36| get married and move across the country together and start visiting all the ballparks you're like uh yeah i would do that and they're like let's do it
00:06:44| and they're like i'm willing to put up this much money and you're like this is crazy we're gonna do it and then like they get to like the first ballpark and they're like i need to go
00:06:52| back and live with my parents and you're like but we sold everything we have the rv i'm ready and they're like this isn't me it's like a weird they
00:07:01| started to be fully committed but they're not yeah is this the person we're talking about cold feet so yeah but they pretend to be
00:07:10| adventurous it's not because people with cold feet everywhere but like yes someone who's really got crazy big ambitions and dreams and everything and then all of a
00:07:19| sudden they're like yeah posers a little bit yeah it's weird yeah it's difficult so a lot of the people that do this are like chameleons so like they will like completely be
00:07:30| completely on board and then they bail so the point at which they bail you have to prepare for too you have to make sure that in your own world that you're fully prepared to do
00:07:39| it alone or be able to build on your own right because they're going to bail at some weird point and you're like right well i think
00:07:48| we were oh wait i i just thought we were oh what huh yep police are here where are you at dandelion where you had dandelion
00:07:57| they're here tell them tell them it was all part of the plan they're gone there's also a feature of them that's you said we mentioned gullibility though
00:08:11| like they're they're swept up in these planes yeah they're whimsical they really believe it though right yeah i think so i think they believe it for a while
00:08:19| up to yeah for a little while they fully believe it they believe it until the reality hits so they're dreamers that don't really want to
00:08:27| do the work sounds like it wow we got some dreamers out there who talk a big game want to do big things but they don't want to go to jail they don't
00:08:46| um yeah i agree with you 100 there are people like that who will and they egg you on they make you feel like you're a dreamer yeah you're like hell yeah
00:08:55| uh-huh yeah let's friggin sell it let's do it let's do it if you're brave i'm brave and then all of a sudden they're gone and you're like
00:09:09| that's for sure so can we find these people who are they anyone who's a dreamer correct if you meet a dreamer stay away they're all flyers oh man
00:09:23| yeah it's a tricky one because you don't know that you're in the situation until they pull the cord and then they're gone and you sold half of your life
00:09:30| your real estate you have a motorcycle you got this weird license you broke like 18 malls in a weird state and you're like they got your kids to get your house
00:09:39| they got your car and you're like i should have thought this one through damn it damn it but wait aren't you the dreamer at that point a little bit
00:09:50| this i think it does take two dreamers this is one of the situations where it's like a realist and a dreamer actually work really well together like two realists
00:09:57| also work well but two dreamers is just like those people what the hell like is that the prison scenario that you were describing i think so he's a dreamer and he's
00:10:05| well he's forced to try to escape because that's what he's a prisoner yeah i mean he's a realist when you think about it he's just playing it a little bit or is he being a dreamer i
00:10:14| have no idea if a prisoner can be a dreamer i mean they can but 100 percent we'll never know his he uh the best part of the end was that
00:10:24| like they went to some place public got spotted and they were on the freeway and then she was just like oh there's no cars here
00:10:32| and all the police are like barring the exits for some reason and it's just like oh she didn't even put two and four together she was just like that's crazy there's a prisoner here and
00:10:43| she was looking around for them and it's like no it's you yeah and then he turned to her and said should we pull over and she goes yeah
00:10:49| well it is the law and then like as he was like pulling over one of the police officers like swerved in front of him and he's like they're trying to kill me and then he
00:10:56| accelerated and then he hit a tree at like 100 miles an hour but they both lived god bless there's a happy ending to every story yeah
00:11:06| so how do you spot these people should we avoid them is there any way to avoid them i don't i don't know that you knew i mean you can throw out these grand ideas
00:11:14| and see if they buy in you can send they throw out some like skepticism and then see how they receive the skepticism to be like uh are you sure about that
00:11:22| and like see how they handle questions reality check them reality check them rally checking your face reality project here's some reality here's some reality you have some really
00:11:31| what are you gonna do with the money and they'll be like ten thousand dollars forever spend it on you baby yeah you could be wearing that much
00:11:41| imagine if they imagine if they broke down the uh ten thousand dollars in the meals wendy's i'm talking lots of days lots of days at the wendy's four for
00:11:54| four we going crazy what about toilet paper ah the train station we're gonna grab the jumbo two-ply roll and we're gonna stick
00:12:05| it in your purse and then boom that's toilet paper for a week sounds fantastic nick let's do it i'm a dreamer let's go alrighty so try not to be a victim
00:12:16| of these people they're called happy optimistic people stick to people downers yeah yeah stick with people who are telling you you're [ __ ]
00:12:24| and nothing dead end forever yeah yeah nowhere you know where you're going nowhere so yeah i think that's better take it right to your grave
00:12:38| don't be a dreamer folks predators
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